2020-2021 NBA Season thread

[EricaLubarsky]

I’d take Kidd over Billups every time

[saclare]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I’d take Kidd over Billups every time

This. Would love to hear the arguments for Billups over Kidd...

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by saclare

This. Would love to hear the arguments for Billups over Kidd...

I just like Billups. He made me laugh when he was with ESPN. Mainly due to how he was seen as both a genius(he's not ftr) and a mentor to the special needs kid next to him aka Paul Pierce. He has no HC experience but there was no vet coach outside of Atkinson I really wanted of the names being thrown out around here. But Billups is respected as a former player as well. Outside of the recent reporting of Kidd being liked by basically every star player, which I can only imagine is because he was a HOF player because as a coach I see nothing to latch onto. Bucks literally went from mediocre to 60 wins the year he left and Bud was hired. But I'm supposed to be optimistic that Kidd learned something after 2 yrs as an assistant coaching Lebron, who likely doesn't need all that much coaching... and learning under Vogel?

My main top choice was Atkinson but I'd literally take almost every name mentioned so far on this board over Kidd because I have placed him firmly in the great player mediocre coach category like Bird and Ewing and every other one you want to throw out until I see otherwise. Maybe He and Nico get us free agents. If he does then all we need is a quality staff supporting him. I like that we seem to be hiring JJ as I always thought he'd be great as a players coach and even good in player development. I'm optimistic about Terry but not as much as JJ. We need some veterans on the staff though.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

I just like Billups. He made me laugh when he was with ESPN. Mainly due to how he was seen as both a genius(he's not ftr) and a mentor to the special needs kid next to him aka Paul Pierce. He has no HC experience but there was no vet coach outside of Atkinson I really wanted of the names being thrown out around here. But Billups is respected as a former player as well. Outside of the recent reporting of Kidd being liked by basically every star player, which I can only imagine is because he was a HOF player because as a coach I see nothing to latch onto. Bucks literally went from mediocre to 60 wins the year he left and Bud was hired. But I'm supposed to be optimistic that Kidd learned something after 2 yrs as an assistant coaching Lebron, who likely doesn't need all that much coaching... and learning under Vogel?

My main top choice was Atkinson but I'd literally take almost every name mentioned so far on this board over Kidd because I have placed him firmly in the great player mediocre coach category like Bird and Ewing and every other one you want to throw out until I see otherwise. Maybe He and Nico get us free agents. If he does then all we need is a quality staff supporting him. I like that we seem to be hiring JJ as I always thought he'd be great as a players coach and even good in player development. I'm optimistic about Terry but not as much as JJ. We need some veterans on the staff though.

I've seen this a few times. I think we are unfairly attributing the next season success to Kidd. IMO, it has more to do with the fact he didn't have Jabari Parker at all, who was playing well for them the year prior and obviously before his injury. Also another year of improvement from Giannis, though perhaps not as much as Brogdon and the addition of Brook Lopez. Then midseason stuff like Nikola Mirotic and Goerge Hill.

It's also widely rumored Giannis was pushing to retain Kidd as coach. An idea of which seems to align with a lot of players around the league in their respect and endorsement for Kidd.

I just think it's odd a guy with barely any coaching experience is more desired than someone who been at it for a while, with HC experience. That in and of itself is enough for me to want Kidd, despite whatever success or non-success he's had at previous stops. I just view it differently, and think he's smart enough to adjust his styles.

Totally agree with the second part though. I've said it elsewhere that his coaching staff will be very important. The Terry and Barea rumors I view more mid to end of bench coaching, but would welcome in the right roles.

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by saclare

This. Would love to hear the arguments for Billups over Kidd...

I mean the argument would be the unknown. We don't now what Billups is....but we know what Kidd WAS and it wasn't very good.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

I mean the argument would be the unknown. We don't now what Billups is....but we know what Kidd WAS and it wasn't very good.

I disagree and will not conclude Kidd's coaching abilities on those two stops. I'm at least giving him a chance here way before Billups. That unknown is SUPER unknown at best.

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by saclare

I disagree and will not conclude Kidd's coaching abilities on those two stops. I'm at least giving him a chance here way before Billups. That unknown is SUPER unknown at best.

For the record I have no issue with Kidd I'm just saying that's the argument here for Billups. He's the unknown.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

I mean the argument would be the unknown. We don't now what Billups is....but we know what Kidd WAS and it wasn't very good.

I usually agree with most of your post

But here I disagree

What has Billups done besides stand on the sideline and clap that makes him a better fit than Kidd?

Kidd actually did a terrific job his 1st go round with the Nets and they had average talent.

He wasn't that bad in Milwaukee considering Giannis was still just starting out.

Luka is already a top 5 talent and if Kidd somehow figures out this KP issue lack of touches he will most likely have immediate success in Dallas as a coach.

I also believe relationships matter amongst players and coaches now days more than in years past.

Kidd seems like a guy that will be someone who the players will follow and respect.

I think he needs a veteran Assistant next to him but I can see this team being very similar to the one Avery Johnson took over where the players just responded to him being a new voice right out the gates.

Avery was demanding, preached defense and maximum effort. His teams played hard and very rarely took night's off he just got his kicked by Nellie.

He did get the finals not being a great coach but again he motivated that team and to be fair they got screwed by ref's or else Avery would might have won a title in a short amount of time.

I can see Kidd getting more energy out this team especially from guys like Josh Green. I can see being more app to use KP in the mid post area similar to Dirk and get him touches that way more often.

If the Front office can convince someone like Demar DeRozan to come here and help Luka I don't think anyone is going to speak much about the coaching as a weakness next year.

I believe the changes to this organization recently was much needed and I expect for the 1st time in a decade that this franchise will get beyond the 1st round of the playoffs and close to the WCF's.

[FreshJive]

There are reports coming out that Dame may want out of Portland, and one reason is that fans are giving him shit over the Billups hire. I don’t believe it is actually the real reason, but he did feel the need to tweet about it.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by FreshJive

There are reports coming out that Dame may want out of Portland, and one reason is that fans are giving him shit over the Billups hire. I don’t believe it is actually the real reason, but he did feel the need to tweet about it.

The angry twitter mob strikes again. They were brutal with J Kidd as well.

Problem is they are always angry about pretty much everything. I bitched for a good day about the Kidd hiring and moved on. What good does it to do be unhappy all the time?

The Portland fans just put Lillard and the Blazers in a no-win situation. If they back out of the Billups deal now, then Lillard will for sure request a trade.

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

The angry twitter mob strikes again. They were brutal with J Kidd as well.

Problem is they are always angry about pretty much everything. I bitched for a good day about the Kidd hiring and moved on. What good does it to do be unhappy all the time?

The Portland fans just put Lillard and the Blazers in a no-win situation. If they back out of the Billups deal now, then Lillard will for sure request a trade.

Portland is the epicenter of angry Twitter mobs. Dame was a little kid when Billups was accused. They just find a reason to be outraged, and lean into it.

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I usually agree with most of your post

But here I disagree

What has Billups done besides stand on the sideline and clap that makes him a better fit than Kidd?

Kidd actually did a terrific job his 1st go round with the Nets and they had average talent.

He wasn't that bad in Milwaukee considering Giannis was still just starting out.

Luka is already a top 5 talent and if Kidd somehow figures out this KP issue lack of touches he will most likely have immediate success in Dallas as a coach.

I also believe relationships matter amongst players and coaches now days more than in years past.

Kidd seems like a guy that will be someone who the players will follow and respect.

I think he needs a veteran Assistant next to him but I can see this team being very similar to the one Avery Johnson took over where the players just responded to him being a new voice right out the gates.

Avery was demanding, preached defense and maximum effort. His teams played hard and very rarely took night's off he just got his kicked by Nellie.

He did get the finals not being a great coach but again he motivated that team and to be fair they got screwed by ref's or else Avery would might have won a title in a short amount of time.

I can see Kidd getting more energy out this team especially from guys like Josh Green. I can see being more app to use KP in the mid post area similar to Dirk and get him touches that way more often.

If the Front office can convince someone like Demar DeRozan to come here and help Luka I don't think anyone is going to speak much about the coaching as a weakness next year.

I believe the changes to this organization recently was much needed and I expect for the 1st time in a decade that this franchise will get beyond the 1st round of the playoffs and close to the WCF's.

Billups has done nothing. I'm not saying he's a better hire than Kidd. The poster asked what the argument would be and I was just stating its the unknown vs. the known even though I'd probably argue Kidd at this point in his coaching career may be more of a unknown.