General NBA watching thread 2010-11 edition - Page 5 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

aquaadverse · 11-24-2010, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

His ass is grass. Enter Riley in a cape.

Nope. Not going to happen for a couple of reasons. First of all it's hard to see what Riley can accomplish on the pine that he can't accomplish from on high with a coach's come to Jesus meeting or two. The Heat aren't like a lot teams where an owner hires a coach and hires a GM and hopes they can work.

Riley hired all the coaches, the scouts, the training staff. Many of these folks have over a decade with him. How many franchises have the first coach a team had as an expansion entry a couple of decades ago on the coaching staff?

Riley has all control he needs now. He can dictate lineups and schemes and his current coach is a product of his system and is probably pretty open to not going down as the guy who screwed this up. Riley isn't going to get pressure from his owner either. Arison went to great lengths to get Riley down here. He gave him control over operations and gave him an ownership share. Arison runs a very complicated business and understands delegation. It's no accident most fans have no idea who owns the Heat.

The other reason is Riley doesn't want to coach and Wade doesn't want him on the bench either. He doesn't want the grind of travel and practices, has little left to prove and seems to relish being Red Auerbach over Phil Jackson.

The current state of the Heat is made up of objections and conditions. Erik Spoelstra has plenty of criticism quite correctly reigning on his head. Lineups and substitutions, finding familiarity with an entire team that has less than a month are objections that can be fixed. Losing players to injury, no quality interior presence and PG are conditions that aren't under his control, nor will sticking Riley on the bench change that. Think things are bad now? That's nothing like it would become with slapping Riley the messiah on top of the super-friends and having them still struggle.

Wade has been pretty vocal about keeping the great and powerful Oz behind the curtain. Reading some of the comments you would think this is it, that they will all be gone at the end of the season. It's like Lord of The Flies with a ball and hoop. Whack Spo after the injury to Miller left the Ferrari with a donut wheel spare in less than month and under 20 games played is panic, pure and simple. On the other hand, Riley playing Cheney with Erik Spoelstra as GW for awhile and playing well after the All Star break would be a lot better than panicking. Riley can descend and put his head in a bucket of ice water and talk about fighting like it's for the next breath a time or two and go back to trying to get more talent to fill in the gapping holes.

jthig32 · 11-24-2010, 11:05 PM

I can't believe the Spurs just got that win. Unbelievable.

Underdog · 11-24-2010, 11:10 PM

The Miami Heat are 8-7...

Isn't that about on par with their regular season records pre-Miami Thrice?

fluid.forty.one · 11-24-2010, 11:35 PM

Miami Heat 8-7
Cleveland Cavaliers 6-8

wow

mac222b · 11-25-2010, 12:46 AM

anyone catch any of the Spurs-Wolves? another poster was complaining the Wolves got jobbed by the refs.

fluid.forty.one · 11-25-2010, 03:22 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEVCj...layer_embedded

awesome MJ/LeBron commercial mashup. LeBron is such a b*tch.

tcat075 · 11-25-2010, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

anyone catch any of the Spurs-Wolves? another poster was complaining the Wolves got jobbed by the refs.

I didn't see it, but from what I understand from listening to the latest Basketball Jones podcast, a Spur shot a three, stuck his foot out, and got the foul call, tying the game.

mavErika · 11-26-2010, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

The Miami Heat are 8-7...

Isn't that about on par with their regular season records pre-Miami Thrice?

I'm too lazy to look it up, but before their last game I read their 09/10 record at the same time was 9-5.

Dirkadirkastan · 11-26-2010, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by aquaadverse

blah blah blah

Of course Riley won't yet. The core will be around a while so he's got plenty of time. I figured before the season started that he would wait one full season so he would have enough presentable reasons to justify taking over. Even back then their chances at a title this year looked dim, but now it's obvious the Heat won't do much damage this year. Heck, he may even have two seasons before he thinks he's risking some other coach getting the glory. But rest assured, he'll be back on that bench sooner or later.

mavs777 · 11-26-2010, 07:09 PM

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And the hornets are ready to fall off a cliff remaining November schedule
@ Utah
@ Portland
vs SA
@ OKC

I doubt they win more than 1 of these

0-1 so far play Portland tonight

aquaadverse · 11-27-2010, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Of course Riley won't yet. The core will be around a while so he's got plenty of time. I figured before the season started that he would wait one full season so he would have enough presentable reasons to justify taking over. Even back then their chances at a title this year looked dim, but now it's obvious the Heat won't do much damage this year. Heck, he may even have two seasons before he thinks he's risking some other coach getting the glory. But rest assured, he'll be back on that bench sooner or later.

Not that your "cause I said so" argument isn't compelling, but Riley doesn't want to coach. He has nothing left to prove in that area. You were probably convinced that Barry Sanders would be back because that all time rushing leader slot was high on his priority list. Who wouldn't want that, eh? Why let Emmit steal all the glory?

He wasn't just flapping his gums yammering about the 60's Celtics. He isn't being questioned on his coaching ability, all the people predicting his imminent return to the bench and be the savior prove that.

But coaching has never been his only goal. He left the Knicks because of it and he turned the Heat over to SVG because he wanted to prove that he was able to master other difficult challenges. Just because Shaq laid a turd in the punchbowl and interrupted his plan doesn't mean he's eager to go 0 for 2 in the hand picked successor route. Rest assured you're wrong.

fluid.forty.one · 11-27-2010, 05:44 PM

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Portland is a gimme. They will win at least 2.

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what makes you think that?

http://www.nba.com/games/20101126/NO...#nbaGIboxscore

DMOC · 11-28-2010, 02:24 PM

Which team should we root for in the SAS/NOH game? Both are in our division.

dalger · 11-28-2010, 05:51 PM

Spurs kicked the crap out of New Orleans in the 2nd half. Looking at the standings, I can't help but think that the Western conference is really stacked.

sike · 11-28-2010, 11:10 PM

Griffin went nuts tonight...sheesh.

EricaLubarsky · 11-28-2010, 11:15 PM

did they make the basket bigger? Did they add a minute to the quarters?

I've never seen so many 130-140 pt games in my life. Even when the Mavs and Suns were in their Run-n-gun haydays we only saw 110-120pt games for the most part

sike · 11-29-2010, 09:56 AM

I would just like to reestablish that I am SO happy the Mavs God a tough guy like Chandler instead softy like Bosh.

mavs777 · 11-29-2010, 10:58 PM

Hornets lose again back to 12-5, they will get about the 6 seed

amuseddaysleeper · 12-01-2010, 07:03 PM

Spurs are beasting this year.

fluid.forty.one · 12-01-2010, 10:56 PM

lol

Gasol > Dirk huh? Ya right.

Mavericks Rockets Fan · 12-01-2010, 11:50 PM

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lol

Gasol > Dirk huh? Ya right.

Gasol shut down by Jordan Hill. Lakers lose 4th game in a row to a Yao-less Brooks-less Rockets team. I refuse to accept that Dallas wouldn't beat LA in a series...

tcat075 · 12-02-2010, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

lol

Gasol > Dirk huh? Ya right.

I saw one writer say he deserved MVP.

Heh, no.

xrobx · 12-02-2010, 12:08 AM

come on clippers! hang in there!

LonghornDub · 12-02-2010, 12:58 AM

"NBA best" Spurs about to lose to the Clipshow. Stellar.

xrobx · 12-02-2010, 01:02 AM

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"NBA best" Spurs about to lose to the Clipshow. Stellar.

duncan 8 points
parker 2 points

"best offensive team in the nba" 85 points against the clippers d

L O L

chumdawg · 12-02-2010, 01:04 AM

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"NBA best" Spurs about to lose to the Clipshow. Stellar.

What you know about them Clipshow...is what I would say.

LonghornDub · 12-02-2010, 01:12 AM

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What you know about them Clipshow...is what I would say.

I concur.

Also, Blake Griffin is beastly.

FINtastic · 12-02-2010, 01:14 AM

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What you know about them Clipshow...is what I would say.

They don't seem to win often, but the few wins they've had sure have been helpful.

mavs777 · 12-02-2010, 01:53 AM

its the second night of a back to back on the road...

fluid.forty.one · 12-02-2010, 03:01 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljdFc...layer_embedded

I hope the Cavs somehow crush them.

sike · 12-02-2010, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

lol

Gasol > Dirk huh? Ya right.

Gasol is a very good player who can be great.

Dirk is a great player who can be other worldly amazing.

They do not belong in the same conversation.

I tend to think its as simple as that.

Thespiralgoeson · 12-02-2010, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

Gasol is a very good player who can be great.

Dirk is a great player who can be other worldly amazing.

They do not belong in the same conversation.

I tend to think its as simple as that.

Exactly. Dirk is a legitimate superstar/MVP/franchise player. Pau is just a notch below that. He was good enough to be the go-to guy on a 50 win team in Memphis, but that wasn't good enough to win even a single playoff game.

Thespiralgoeson · 12-02-2010, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by aquaadverse

Not that your "cause I said so" argument isn't compelling, but Riley doesn't want to coach. He has nothing left to prove in that area. You were probably convinced that Barry Sanders would be back because that all time rushing leader slot was high on his priority list. Who wouldn't want that, eh? Why let Emmit steal all the glory?

He wasn't just flapping his gums yammering about the 60's Celtics. He isn't being questioned on his coaching ability, all the people predicting his imminent return to the bench and be the savior prove that.

But coaching has never been his only goal. He left the Knicks because of it and he turned the Heat over to SVG because he wanted to prove that he was able to master other difficult challenges. Just because Shaq laid a turd in the punchbowl and interrupted his plan doesn't mean he's eager to go 0 for 2 in the hand picked successor route. Rest assured you're wrong.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I'm curious, what exactly is your basis for saying that Riley doesn't want to coach again? I've always gotten the impression that he does want to coach, but only when the team is already in position to compete for a title. It doesn't seem at all far-fetched to me that a year or two after down the road when the Heat have some of the missing pieces in place and are primed to steamroll their way to the finals that he would return to coaching.

fluid.forty.one · 12-02-2010, 03:24 PM

Riley has gone on record saying he doesn't want to coach again. He was suppose to be grooming Spolestra because of this. I think part of the reason was "I'm too old for this sh*t" or something like that. For what it's worth.

Thespiralgoeson · 12-02-2010, 03:43 PM

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Riley has gone on record saying he doesn't want to coach again. He was suppose to be grooming Spolestra because of this. I think part of the reason was "I'm too old for this sh*t" or something like that. For what it's worth.

Riley says a lot of things. I mean seriously, is that all we're going on here? Jerry Jones said he wasn't going to fire Wade Phillips before the season was over. Lebron said numerous times that staying in Cleveland was his "first choice."

It's not like Riley can publicly say (or even hint) that he wants to coach again. To do so would not only be an insult to Spolestra, but would create clusterf*ck of confusion and uncertainty within the organization and the locker room.

Didn't he say the same thing before he fired Stan Van Gundy? I could be wrong, but I seem to remember him saying something to that effect.

fluid.forty.one · 12-02-2010, 04:42 PM

Things are completely different now. This team is SUPPOSED to win championships. If he comes in, best case scenario he wins.. but they are suppose to so who cares. Most likely, they lose and he looks like a complete idiot. I don't see the reason he would come back.

Thespiralgoeson · 12-02-2010, 08:08 PM

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I don't see the reason he would come back.

Because he's Pat Riley and he likes to coach in the NBA finals??

fluid.forty.one · 12-02-2010, 08:10 PM

My point was that by coming back he can hurt his legacy but not really help it. That + age = it's not really worth it IMO.

Dirkadirkastan · 12-02-2010, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

Things are completely different now. This team is SUPPOSE to win championships. If he comes in, best case scenario he wins.. but they are suppose to so who cares. Most likely, they lose and he looks like a complete idiot. I don't see the reason he would come back.

Don't capitalize a grammar error. It just looks really bad.

mavs777 · 12-03-2010, 10:10 PM

T Wolves up 71-64 in San Antonio middle of the third

also New Orleans going to lose to NY making them 2-5 in last 7