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Bryan_Wilson · 07-31-2021, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Its worth noting that people said the same thing about Al Hortford and Chris Paul when they got their deals....and they've both been traded TWICE since those deals.

I think its been proven teams will do it. If its a 3 year deal..that will only be a 2 year contract that someone has to trade for.

I should rephrase and say it's not impossible but Horford was moved after sitting and not playing and he was moved for a worse contract in Kemba. CP3 was moved for a worse contract RWB. Sure we could sign Lowry and trade him for Kevin Love that doesn't mean it's something that's good.

It's just too risky for me. I wouldn't rage and throw a fit if it's Lowry + THJ I'd obviously hope for the best and pray it works. However, Lowry at 30m better not be wrong because at 30m for Lowry and 35m for KP if it does not work we have very limited assets to flip them later.

Melonhead · 07-31-2021, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Ehh I disagree personally. If he falls to 15ppg on mediocre shooting numbers 30m a yr would be hard to move at his age especially. If he gets small minor injuries it would be worse. That can happen with any player but at his age it gets amplified.

Well I'm more interested in what Derozan does personally. After the RWB trade is he really going to still go to Lakers for exception level money around 6ish mill? Over getting 30m with other borderline contenders? I keep reading he really wants to be a laker... That spacing would be atrocious with RWB DDR Lebron AD. It would be the definition of betting on talent winning over fit.

Name one contract that’s ever been unable to move though. Even a bum like Al Horford gets moved.

Edit: I see your above response

SMC0007 · 07-31-2021, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Ehh I disagree personally. If he falls to 15ppg on mediocre shooting numbers 30m a yr would be hard to move at his age especially. If he gets small minor injuries it would be worse. That can happen with any player but at his age it gets amplified.

Well I'm more interested in what Derozan does personally. After the RWB trade is he really going to still go to Lakers for exception level money around 6ish mill? Over getting 30m with other borderline contenders? I keep reading he really wants to be a laker... That spacing would be atrocious with RWB DDR Lebron AD. It would be the definition of betting on talent winning over fit.

Can't see Derozan doing that. I haven't heard much about him to Mavs but I still have hope that we make the best free agent available move and he is still it.

tap2390 · 07-31-2021, 01:51 PM

IMO EJ Onu has a better chance of making the roster than Moses Brown. Brown is tall and hustles, but doesn’t set good screens and isn’t skilled on offense.

rimrocker · 07-31-2021, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Okay Moses and Sterling.

Can we make a serious run at Bruce and Charlie Jr.

We can have all the Browns

Then sign Danny Green and change our colors to Green and Brown since we'll have two of each on the team.

rimrocker · 07-31-2021, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

IMO EJ Onu has a better chance of making the roster than Moses Brown. Brown is tall and hustles, but doesn’t set good screens and isn’t skilled on offense.

Hopefully one is replacing Boban and the other Powell.
They both seem to have some decent upside.

Dtownsfinest · 07-31-2021, 02:21 PM

Keith Smith
@KeithSmithNBA
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Per a source: There was a bit of a tug-of-war between Boston and Dallas. Boston wanted to send back a bit more guaranteed salary for Richard. Dallas initially didn't want any. Teams landed in the middle with a minimal amount of guaranteed salary for Moses Brown heading to Dallas.

Dtownsfinest · 07-31-2021, 02:21 PM

Keith Smith
@KeithSmithNBA
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1h
Per a source: There was a bit of a tug-of-war between Boston and Dallas. Boston wanted to send back a bit more guaranteed salary for Richard. Dallas initially didn't want any. Teams landed in the middle with a minimal amount of guaranteed salary for Moses Brown heading to Dallas.

rimrocker · 07-31-2021, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Keith Smith
@KeithSmithNBA
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1h
Per a source: There was a bit of a tug-of-war between Boston and Dallas. Boston wanted to send back a bit more guaranteed salary for Richard. Dallas initially didn't want any. Teams landed in the middle with a minimal amount of guaranteed salary for Moses Brown heading to Dallas.

Seems like a hell of an acquisition though.
This seems similar to the whole Howard/Larkin thing when Cuban was going after a big fish when a younger and bigger one was all but in the boat.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-31-2021, 02:44 PM

Heat are apparently frontrunners for Lowry. In which case, little chance Heat retain Dragic and we can sign him.

Bryan_Wilson · 07-31-2021, 02:46 PM

https://twitter.com/GrantAfseth/stat...49614478598147

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The Miami Heat currently are viewed as the front-runner to sign veteran point guard Kyle Lowry in free agency, a league source tells
@MavericksSI
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The Dallas Mavericks and New Orleans Pelicans remain serious suitors for Lowry’s services.

Melonhead · 07-31-2021, 03:01 PM

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Melonhead · 07-31-2021, 03:01 PM

(Comment on Reddit) Regarding Moses Brown:

As someone who watched every OKC game last year --

He's decent at catching, and has really good timing on jumping and dunking. Decent pump fakes, goes up strong. Good roller and dunker.

However, if he has any kind defense bothering him, and isn't in a position to catch and dunk, he's not good. He has awful touch and no post game whatsoever.

Is a ok free throw shooter (61%), but really awkward form, so he's unlikely to develop any kind of a jump shot.

Decent shot blocker on defense just due to his sheer size, but a really bad defender otherwise. Not remarkably athletic. Out of position a lot. Extremely weak, needs to work a lot on his strength. He plays hard though.

Dtownsfinest · 07-31-2021, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

Seems like a hell of an acquisition though.
This seems similar to the whole Howard/Larkin thing when Cuban was going after a big fish when a younger and bigger one was all but in the boat.

Yeah Celtics are doing all of this for some player....it better work because their hurting their team trying to get whoever it is.

Amarelooms · 07-31-2021, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

(Comment on Reddit) Regarding Moses Brown:

As someone who watched every OKC game last year --

He's decent at catching, and has really good timing on jumping and dunking. Decent pump fakes, goes up strong. Good roller and dunker.

However, if he has any kind defense bothering him, and isn't in a position to catch and dunk, he's not good. He has awful touch and no post game whatsoever.

Is a ok free throw shooter (61%), but really awkward form, so he's unlikely to develop any kind of a jump shot.

Decent shot blocker on defense just due to his sheer size, but a really bad defender otherwise. Not remarkably athletic. Out of position a lot. Extremely weak, needs to work a lot on his strength. He plays hard though.

From what I’ve seen YouTube guy not that good. Tall not good finisher. Doesn’t jump and looks awkward. Guess better than nothing but he’s #2-3 center. Need sign better center and best young sg/sf. Don’t need old man Lowry or thj.

Dtownsfinest · 07-31-2021, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

(Comment on Reddit) Regarding Moses Brown:

As someone who watched every OKC game last year --

He's decent at catching, and has really good timing on jumping and dunking. Decent pump fakes, goes up strong. Good roller and dunker.

However, if he has any kind defense bothering him, and isn't in a position to catch and dunk, he's not good. He has awful touch and no post game whatsoever.

Is a ok free throw shooter (61%), but really awkward form, so he's unlikely to develop any kind of a jump shot.

Decent shot blocker on defense just due to his sheer size, but a really bad defender otherwise. Not remarkably athletic. Out of position a lot. Extremely weak, needs to work a lot on his strength. He plays hard though.

This write up is probably right on him....I had a OKC fan earlier tell me he sucks at catching........

But either way this doesn't kill the deal for a few reasons.

1) He's incredibly cheap.
2) He's a 7'2 Big man who can run pretty well.
3) We don't need him to score.
4) Only 21 years old.

If they want me to believe he's hit his ceiling at 21 that's fine and even if he has....one thing they can't say about him is that he's not a good rebounder. He's very good at rebounding and if that's all he does he will be worth it for that price.

Bryan_Wilson · 07-31-2021, 03:16 PM

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If Miami declines the 2021-22 $19.4M team option on guard Goran Dragic, there’s expected to be interest from several NBA title and postseason contenders in unrestricted free agency. His option deadline is Sunday.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/st...61587106779147

SMC0007 · 07-31-2021, 03:17 PM

1. People are seriously showing any concern over a 21yr back up center making 1m?

2. I'm still on the Derozan bandwagon. There's only a handful of us so there's plenty of room. Especially since Lowry is looking more foggy.

SMC0007 · 07-31-2021, 03:18 PM

1. People are seriously showing any concern over a 21yr back up center making 1m?

2. I'm still on the Derozan bandwagon. There's only a handful of us so there's plenty of room. Especially since Lowry is looking more foggy.

Dtownsfinest · 07-31-2021, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Amarelooms

From what I’ve seen YouTube guy not that good. Tall not good finisher. Doesn’t jump and looks awkward. Guess better than nothing but he’s #2-3 center. Need sign better center and best young sg/sf. Don’t need old man Lowry or thj.

Looks like the typical big man. He has potential. If you're expecting him to move around like Anthony Davis.....that ain't it.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-31-2021, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

1. People are seriously showing any concern over a 21yr back up center making 1m?

2. I'm still on the Derozan bandwagon. There's only a handful of us so there's plenty of room. Especially since Lowry is looking more foggy.

Rumors are he wants the Lakers.

This FA is already looking bleh.

Dtownsfinest · 07-31-2021, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

IMO EJ Onu has a better chance of making the roster than Moses Brown. Brown is tall and hustles, but doesn’t set good screens and isn’t skilled on offense.

Hmmm....hopefully that ends up being true but I'd have to give Moses the nod since he's done it against actual NBA competition.

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

I should rephrase and say it's not impossible but Horford was moved after sitting and not playing and he was moved for a worse contract in Kemba. CP3 was moved for a worse contract RWB. Sure we could sign Lowry and trade him for Kevin Love that doesn't mean it's something that's good.

It's just too risky for me. I wouldn't rage and throw a fit if it's Lowry + THJ I'd obviously hope for the best and pray it works. However, Lowry at 30m better not be wrong because at 30m for Lowry and 35m for KP if it does not work we have very limited assets to flip them later.

I don't disagree. I personally am not in favor of Lowry at the salary he's commanding........

Dtownsfinest · 07-31-2021, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

1. People are seriously showing any concern over a 21yr back up center making 1m?

2. I'm still on the Derozan bandwagon. There's only a handful of us so there's plenty of room. Especially since Lowry is looking more foggy.

I'd love Derozen....I just don't think he'd love us lol. I can't even see how he'd even get to the Lakers at this point.

Brown Is so cheap that if he gives you 6 fouls a game you'd have to be ok with it. So yeah I can't find it in me to not like bringing him in here.

SMC0007 · 07-31-2021, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Rumors are he wants the Lakers.

This FA is already looking bleh.

Hah. I doubt he taking their 6m left to play there.

BigDog63 · 07-31-2021, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JustJay

We can speculate that we may be a destination team now. But there's only one way to change that narrative. Become one. So when it starts happening you're right until then nope.

Luka is not a rookie and didn't just get really good yesterday and so far nothing.

Basically, the way we become a destination team is to move to LA, NY, or Miami. Players go for the 'destination', not the team. They'd rather live in those cities. They'll even go there if the team is bad...just bring others there with them. For Dallas to break through that, they'd have to get the players they need to become a dominant team FIRST. It's a Catch-22...can't get the players without becoming a destination; can't become a destination without the players.

BigDog63 · 07-31-2021, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

1. People are seriously showing any concern over a 21yr back up center making 1m?

2. I'm still on the Derozan bandwagon. There's only a handful of us so there's plenty of room. Especially since Lowry is looking more foggy.

Scoot over, I'll climb on!

Mavs don't need another PG...they need a SG. Who can defend.

purplefrog · 07-31-2021, 04:31 PM

I like the Brown acquisition. Good price and a good rebounder. Maybe means Boban is not likely to be re-signed. I have hope that Powell will be moved.

My gut tells me that Lowry is headed for the Heat and Dragic signs with the Mavs. Still room for DDR if he has any interest.

I would hope that the new MBT is able to sign at least one FA other than THJ. If they strike out or if Dragic is all they get, then that would be a considerable downer.

I would not be excited about Dinwiddie, but could get excited about Holmes or Portis. Noel, Theis, or Dieng would OK at the right price. Batum would be an interesting pick-up but not really something to write home about. Fournier could be a big help if he can stay healthy.

Mavs have a lot of work to do. There is potential for a significant upgrade in the roster even if they cannot sign Lowry or DDR. But they need to be active. Part of the equation is to trade away some of their rotation players (Powell, Burke, Maxi).

tap2390 · 07-31-2021, 04:33 PM

If Lowry pursuit flames out (goddamn it, I get it, Miami is awesome) I’d like to see us make a play for Alex Caruso and Richaun Holmes.

Dtownsfinest · 07-31-2021, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

If Lowry pursuit flames out (goddamn it, I get it, Miami is awesome) I’d like to see us make a play for Alex Caruso and Richaun Holmes.

I Don't see the point in Caruso with Brunson here but I do love some Richaun Holmes. I never suggested him because I assumed he'd break the bank.

rimrocker · 07-31-2021, 05:20 PM

I didn't think teams could trade a player along with a TPE but didn't Celtics just do that (Brown/TPE for JRich)?
Am I missing something?

rimrocker · 07-31-2021, 05:20 PM

I didn't think teams could trade a player along with a TPE but didn't Celtics just do that (Brown/TPE for JRich)?
Am I missing something?

rimrocker · 07-31-2021, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

I Don't see the point in Caruso with Brunson here but I do love some Richaun Holmes. I never suggested him because I assumed he'd break the bank.

I'm wondering if the acquisition of Brown makes Holmes a lower priority now.
I know there is a gap in talent but we have a lot of bigs on this team now.

Dtownsfinest · 07-31-2021, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

I'm wondering if the acquisition of Brown makes Holmes a lower priority now.
I know there is a gap in talent but we have a lot of bigs on this team now.

Yeah that's another thing....I really don't see the point in going after Holmes based on how the roster is currently constructed.

I think for a league that's become so guard dominant it would be a waste of resources. Sucks though because Holmes represents the type of guy I'd want. Young, upside, can contribute now.....just the position he plays.

But if this is about gathering assets....you may have to make a play for him....4 years 80 million isn't the worst contract in the world.

SMC0007 · 07-31-2021, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

I'm wondering if the acquisition of Brown makes Holmes a lower priority now.
I know there is a gap in talent but we have a lot of bigs on this team now.

No it wouldn't. Two totally different class of players. Brown is just a back up / project at this point.

Doubt the Mavs were ever too serious about Holmes given our obvious need of 2nd creator/ scorer.

Melonhead · 07-31-2021, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

1. People are seriously showing any concern over a 21yr back up center making 1m?

Nope just talking basketball on a basketball forum.

Melonhead · 07-31-2021, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Rumors are he wants the Lakers.

This FA is already looking bleh.

Yeah I mean I would too if I’m Demar. He got replaced by Kawhi and they won a title. He obviously wants to go out with a ring, and Lakers are closer to that than the Mavs are.

rimrocker · 07-31-2021, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

No it wouldn't. Two totally different class of players. Brown is just a back up / project at this point.

Doubt the Mavs were ever too serious about Holmes given our obvious need of 2nd creator/ scorer.

They are two different players but play the same position.
Think I'd rather have Brown at 1.7m than Holmes in the 15-20m range.

As long as KP is on the team I don't see the Mavs having much interest in Holmes. I think Holmes was only an option if they felt they could move KP.
And if they have any interest in a KP/Holmes frontcourt, they have to find some way to move Powell.

tap2390 · 07-31-2021, 05:48 PM

Brunson is a bad comparison for Caruso. Caruso plays much more uptempo and is ELITE defensively. Watch film of him guarding Booker in the playoffs.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-31-2021, 06:41 PM

Conley likely staying with the Jazz at 3/60. Looks like another crap FA for the Mavs!

Dtownsfinest · 07-31-2021, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Brunson is a bad comparison for Caruso. Caruso plays much more uptempo and is ELITE defensively. Watch film of him guarding Booker in the playoffs.

I get that but his role would be the same as Brunson's.....we can talk about the type of players they are but at the end of the day he wouldn't be starting here...if we're talking about going from Brunson to Caruso then I could see it.