Rosenbaum's defensive ratings

[grndmstr_c]

Defensive Ratings

No time to discuss now, but I thought these ratings were worth posting to give everyone something else to talk about. Good showings for the Mavs include Damp, who's #7 among centers, and Dirk, who ranks #10 among PF's.

Some other names/things to take a peak at:
- Rasho vs. Nazr. I had a debate over at db.com about these two. I should really post this over there.
- Shane Battier. Man I sure wish there were a way to land him in a trade.
- Jerry Stackhouse. Would everyone please stop calling him a better defender than Finley
- Raja Bell, the defensive savior of the Suns
- Michael Redd?! That's worth a max contract?

[kg_veteran]

Thanks for posting this. I read his preliminary blog entry about his defensive ratings, and I've been eagerly anticipating the arrival of the full set of data.

I've got some reading to do. More comments later.

[LRB]

- Shane Battier. Man I sure wish there were a way to land him in a trade.

He would be the ideal SG to play beside Dirk IMO. Don't see how we could get him, but I'd love to do it if it were possible and didn't cost us Dirk, Howard, or Damp and I would probably do Damp if we got wright in the deal.

[chumdawg]

Where you been, GMC??

[Phil Helmuth]

I think that you wouldn't have to give up too much for Battier as he is really underrated throughout the league.

[grndmstr_c]

Where you been, GMC??

The deadline to officially advance to candidacy in my PhD program is at the end of this month. I've been buried in writing up my qualifying paper and my dissertation proposal.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]

[Thespiralgoeson]

Iverson isn't in the top 10 for either 1's or 2's? Nonsense.

[Thespiralgoeson]

It's also interesting that Dirk outranks Jermaine O'Neal.

[snoop]

I dont put much in that rating. Josh howard is not a top ten sf? that statistics but give me j ho over d miles anyday on the d side of the court

[chumdawg]

Imagine my shock when I didn't find Steve Nash at the bottom of the PG list. How could be it be, Dan Rosenbaum? How could it be??

[dirno2000]

Originally posted by: Phil Helmuth
I think that you wouldn't have to give up too much for Battier as he is really underrated throughout the league.

The problem is, he's not underrated by Jerry West.

[Misfit Mav]

If these rankings are accurate, does it make anyone interested in the possibly available Jason Collins? I always thought he was a scrub, but this guy seems to think highly of him. Since Jersey will probably be starting Krstic next year, I wonder if he might be acquirable.

[Joey]

And people on this board wouldn't want Stevie Franchise...#7 baby!

[D-town funkadellic]

This guy is just plain wrong. These rankings are ridiculous.


"Another approach is to use plus/minus statistics to measure how a team defends when a player is in the game. If, for example, the Nets consistently defend better when Jason Collins is on the floor, regardless of who is on the floor with him, then we would have to conclude that Collins was a good defender. And it doesn’t matter if he ever got a steal, block, or defensive rebound. Or what his reputation as a defender is. "


So when the rest of the Nets play good defense, and Jason Collins messes up left and right, he's a great defender.
And Joel Pryzbilla is a better defender than Shaq. Ok Dan, lets get a grip on reality.

[EricaLubarsky]

its basically on-court/off-court defensive stats that rosenbaum has tried to correct by taking out the "starting" variable, isnt it?

Pretty impressive stat, but like in man stats, there is room for inaccuracies.

[Lebanese_Fan]

Vince Carter is a shock. top 10. WOW.

[EricaLubarsky]

Man Madape might want to look at Raef's defensive stats.

Walker and Jamison are both really close to the bottom of the barrel

NVE and Tony Delk both at the bottom, while Banks is at the top of that category. Some people were talking about acquiring him.

[LRB]

Originally posted by: EricaLubarsky
its basically on-court/off-court defensive stats that rosenbaum has tried to correct by taking out the "starting" variable, isnt it?

Pretty impressive stat, but like in man stats, there is room for inaccuracies.

Any evaluation of defensive prowess has room for inaccuracies. I don't think that this is probably the most impartial and accurate one around. Of course it probably has it's flaws, but I think it's a major step forward in evaluation defensive impact by players.

[vjz]

Walker and Jamison at the bottom of the PFs list... what a shocker! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

[Phil Helmuth]

Jerry West did sign Brian "The janitor" Cardinal to a 5 year 30 million dollar deal so I guess Battier could get a shaq like deal.

[Misfit Mav]

Am I missing a way to view the rankings for players between the top and bottom ten? I'm curious as to where Jason Terry and Josh Howard fall.

[dirno2000]

Originally posted by: Misfit Mav
Am I missing a way to view the rankings for players between the top and bottom ten? I'm curious as to where Jason Terry and Josh Howard fall.

You're not missing anything, he hasn't released the complete list yet.

[G-Man]

I think I just counted 9 former or current Mavs in the bottom 10's. Gee I miss Nellie.

[dirno2000]

How about the Celtics...their 1st and 2nd team centers, their 1st team power forward and their 6th man are all in the bottom 10.

[Misfit Mav]

Originally posted by: dirno2000

You're not missing anything, he hasn't released the complete list yet.

Thanks... obviously I didn't read the preceding article carefully enough.

[greensborohill]

The guy who wrote this teaches at the same University I graduated from, I'm gonna email him. . . .

[dirno2000]

Originally posted by: chumdawg
Imagine my shock when I didn't find Steve Nash at the bottom of the PG list. How could be it be, Dan Rosenbaum? How could it be??

From Dan's blog:

Vince Carter (Steve Nash) is near the top (bottom) of the defensive ratings for small forwards (point guards).

[chumdawg]

I thought he would have been dead last.