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I do wonder whether his abilities are as attractive in a role that's more off-ball, but then again, Miami never intended for him to be on-ball this much. Dragic got hurt, and Herro finally looks like a rookie. So, it probably would've worked fine as long as he had the right attitude about it. Just goes to show how the "narrative" drives our opinion about certain players. Last edited by KillerLeft; 10-11-2020 at 12:36 AM. |
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I personally think the issues with his last few destination were those teams had no identity. T-Wovles just felt pressured to run a offense around Wiggins who was inconsistent and KAT. Same thing happened with Sixers. ITs crazy to think Jimmy played with probably the two best big men in the league and it resulted in nothing...but not because of Jimmy. |
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Jimmy Butler wants to be ball dominant. Last time he had to share the ball, he forced a trade away.
That's not what we need next to Doncic. I love his passion and his defense, but dude would not like playing with Luka. |
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And I just don't see the issue here. Having Jimmy Butler would allow you to rest Luka and not be afraid for your offense to go stale while he's sitting on the bench. Jimmy has been fine playing next to Goran Dragic who dominates the ball. |
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Oof. Unless the Lakers choke worse than anyone else in finals history, this looks anticlimactic after that instant classic game 5.
It's so weird how Miami seems like a completely different team. Butler in particular seems very passive after being so incredible. I wonder if he isn't just exhausted. Maybe he's running on fumes now. One the flipside, AD is actually being aggressive on offense now. When he's aggressive on offense, the Lakers are practically unbeatable. And hate him all you want (and I do) but "Playoff" Rondo has earned the hell out of that nickname. |
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Talk about falling off a cliff. What a complete and utter disappointment.
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I also thought it was a mistake to put Dragic in the game. I know that's a feel good story to see him come back, but he was clearly far less 100%, and was a liability. Oh well, while this wasn't the best NBA finals, it was FAR from the worst. Only two of the six games were flat-out bad. |
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Rumors that Magic want DSJ
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Morey out as GM in Houston.
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Morey looking for a better spot...Rockets cap Situation after the Westbrick trade and the Gordon extension is "dead man walking"
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I was just about to post about Morey being out, but I see I'm late to the punch. I gotta say, I'm kind of shocked. Man, it must really suck to be a Rockets fan right now. Their franchise is in total disarray. Seems like a perfect time to lurk Clutchfans for some comedy gold.
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Silas got a second interview with the Rockets. Really hope he doesn’t go there.
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My name says it all to explain the input... (waiting to get enough privileges to start a thread to explain myself so hopefully don't get too flamed before that time comes) The new Rockets ownership is so incompetent though so I don't think they'll head this direction. That is of course unless Silas accepts a very low-ball offer because that's going to be the most important factor in Tilman Fertitta making his head coaching decision. The Rockets are long past the acceptable time-frame to bring in a new coach, especially considering the discussed starting date for the next season. As each week passes it is saving Fertitta a hell of a lot of money to not have to pay a head coach. I wouldn't expect JVG purely because he'd be expensive and he had ties to Morey. Although I have heard he approves of the interim GM (I use that term because the GM position is a placeholder until Fertitta can insert his son into that role... can someone say New York Knicks 2.0?) Last edited by ExRocketNewMav; 10-26-2020 at 05:49 PM. |
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This was a 100% Tilman Fertitta move - he did not want to pay Chris Paul's monstrous contract. And Westbrook was a flashy and shiny object that attracts the attention span of idiots like Tilman. This coincidentally was also the moment when I realised I can't defend Harden anymore from some of the hate he gets and I just had to learn to accept the fact that whilst he is a phenomenal and generational talent, he doesn't have that undying and ever burning desire to win at all costs. Since ultimately Tilman floated the idea to Harden about the CP3/Westbrook framework and Harden green lit the decision. Westbrook is historically bad with regards to his distance shooting... I still to this day cannot fathom why we brought him to the team which sets records year after year for the amount of distance shooting they do. I was a big Chris Paul fan well before he joined the Rockets. Knowing that the Warriors were not going to be in our way this past season, I was praying we'd give CP3 and Harden one more chance. I know Chris Paul isn't a favourite (apologies for my Australian spelling) teammate of many in the league, but Harden not being able to make it work was a big red flag to the idea that he wants to win a Championship. I'm blabbering here so in closing - this was 100% not a Morey move - and this has played a part in his departure regardless of what is said in the media (I am so, SO glad he left on his own terms and didn't wait until the day in the near future Tilman forced him out) The Westbrook trade was, is and forever will be on the shoulders of Tilman Fertitta and James Harden. And it is a move which has not only destroyed the Rockets team in the short term, but has also torpedoed the franchise for at least the next decade AT BEST. Quote:
Regardless of what I've said above and if it comes across that I don't like Harden anymore - I still love the guy for everything he's done for the Rockets. As a fan since the days of......... losing a Game 7 by 40 points to Dirk Nowitzki (admittedly, that still hurts!) Harden took the Rockets to where no one has before since I've been watching religiously. No matter how much flak he cops from the media and fans of other teams, i'll always respect him forever for the fact he took it to the Warriors and never backed down from them. Whilst I wouldn't mind seeing him finish his career and retire a Rocket as the clear #2 behind Olajuwon (if he retired today I still think he'd hold that place), a part of me hopes he asks out and chases a ring somewhere so his legacy after retirement can change. If he were to want out, I agree with you that it will be next offseason after another failed season resulting in another woeful playoff exit. (this also comes back to the point I made earlier where I'm just not sure he cares about a championship, so may be perfectly content playing the next few years with his buddy and doing nothing in the Playoffs) There's rumours that he has stated he'll ask for a trade if Westbrook is traded away from the Rockets. Last edited by ExRocketNewMav; 10-27-2020 at 08:57 PM. |
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Westbrook could've worked if they let him play on the ball, but the whole world knew that wasn't happening, and why bring in a player who is only good on the ball when he's not better on the ball than the guy you have? I just don't get it. |
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The Westbrook trade looks absolutely horrible in retrospect. Hell, maybe it looked horrible at the time too. I for one didn't think it would work, but I thought it might at least be worth a shot. The way I figured the front office's thought process was something like, "yeah, Harden and Paul were successful together, but it's only downhill from here. Paul is too old and is only going to get worse. That particular group has peaked, and bottom line, these two guys don't like each other and are flat-out DONE with each other. Westbrook probably isn't a great fit and probably won't work, however, this is the only thing of value we can get for the otherwise untradeable Chris Paul. Harden is over 30 and there really aren't any more big moves we can make, so this is our last shot. Westbrook is still ostensibly a superstar, so he and Westbrook will at least have a puncher's chance in the playoffs." It was a total Hail Mary. This seems silly, but it honestly never occurred to me that Morey might not have wanted it and he was overruled on it. He's always been a "swing for the fences" guy, and I just figured this was the culmination of that. Honestly CP3 for Westbrook in a vacuum isn't really a bad deal, even if it was a bad fit. What makes it horrible is losing all the draft picks. They're really in a horrible spot now. All the talks about trading Harden and tearing it all down seem to neglect that even tanking does no good now because the Rockets down have any of their own picks for the next four years. The Rockets are in a horrible spot indeed. Quote:
Also, I have a lot of sympathy for where Rockets fans are right now because I went through something very similar with the Mavs in the late 2000s. You see, before the miraculous and utterly unexpected title win in 2011, there was a few years there where it really seemed like the Mavs had missed their championship window and Dirk was destined to retire without a ring- unless he went somewhere else. That for me was the most unhappy time I've ever had as a Mavs fan. Yes, that was more unhappy than all the years of missing the playoffs or even outright tanking. At least when you're tanking there's always the hope of a brighter future. This though? Knowing that the best days are behind you, and knowing that the ultimate dream of a championship is no longer feasible but your team is still good enough to be teased with the idea, haunted by the still-recent failure. That's a horribly frustrating place to be as a fan. |
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Rockets hire our assistant coach Silas as their head coach
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Sources: James Harden, Russell Westbrook concerned about direction of Houston Rockets
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ouston-rockets As the Houston Rockets navigate an offseason of major change, a new challenge is emerging for the franchise -- the uncertainty of former MVP guards James Harden and Russell Westbrook on their futures with the team, sources told ESPN. In the wake of the departures of head coach Mike D'Antoni and general manager Daryl Morey, Harden and Westbrook have expressed concern about the direction of the franchise through direct conversations or discussions with their representatives and the Rockets' front office, sources said. Rockets owner Tilman Fertitta, recently promoted general manager Rafael Stone and recently hired head coach Stephen Silas have emphasized that the franchise remains committed to fielding a contender while featuring the two perennial All-Stars in their primes. However, the concerns expressed by Harden and Westbrook that Houston's window as a contender could be closing has left the organization fearful that the superstars' commitment to remaining with the Rockets could be wavering. Although neither player has requested a trade at this point, that scenario has become a plausible eventual possibility. Harden, 31, has been an All-Star in all eight seasons since arriving in Houston, winning MVP in 2017-18 and finishing among the top three in voting four other times in the past six years, and claiming the NBA's past three scoring titles. He is owed $131.5 million over the three seasons remaining on his maximum contract, including a $46.9 million player option in 2022-23. Westbrook, who will turn 32 on Thursday, is also owed $131.5 million over the next three seasons and has a $46.7 million player option in 2022-23. He won the 2016-17 MVP and made his ninth All-Star appearance last season, which ended with Westbrook playing through rust and injury after rushing back from a strained right quadriceps during the first round of the playoffs. Both stars were consulted during the Rockets' coaching search and were on board with hiring Silas, sources said. Harden, who has said publicly several times that he hopes to play the remainder of his career in Houston, has expressed similar urgency in the past several offseasons about improving the Rockets' chances to win a championship. He remains engaged in discussions with Houston's front office about potential personnel moves this offseason, sources said. The Rockets have aggressively chased titles during Harden's tenure by three times pairing him with another perennial All-Star -- first signing center Dwight Howard as a free agent in 2013, then trading for Chris Paul in the 2017 offseason and finally swapping Paul and a package of first-round picks for Westbrook last summer. The Rockets advanced to the Western Conference finals in 2015 with Howard and 2018 with Paul, but those partnerships with Harden ended soon thereafter partly because of tension involving personalities and basketball philosophy, specifically regarding Harden's preference to rely on isolations offensively. Harden pushed to make the trade for Westbrook, his childhood friend in Los Angeles and former Oklahoma City Thunder teammate, a deal that depleted Houston's draft assets. The Rockets owe the Thunder their 2024 and 2026 first-round picks (top-four-protected), and Oklahoma City has top-10-protected swap rights with Houston in 2021 and 2025. The Rockets also do not have a first-round pick in this year's NBA draft, having given it up along with center Clint Capela in the four-team deal that brought forward Robert Covington to Houston last season. Houston has limited flexibility to improve its roster, as the Rockets are pushing up against the luxury tax. Fertitta has repeatedly said he is willing to pay the tax, but the franchise has avoided it in the three seasons since Fertitta purchased the team. "We're going to continue to be extraordinarily aggressive," Stone said Thursday in a virtual news conference to introduce Silas. "We're going to shoot for it. Whether we get there or not, I don't know, but I can guarantee you that we're going to shoot for it, and I'm really, really looking forward to it." D'Antoni, who had a franchise-record .682 winning percentage in four seasons with the Rockets, opted not to attempt to return to Houston when his contract expired following the team's second-round playoff exit. Houston hired Silas, a first-time head coach with two decades of experience as an NBA assistant, after interviewing a wide range of candidates during the search process. Morey, whose October 2012 trade for Harden opened a window for the Rockets to be contenders, resigned as Houston's general manager in October, citing the desire to spend more time with his family as the reason for ending his 13-year tenure as the Rockets' general manager. Less than two weeks later, Morey agreed to become the Philadelphia 76ers' president of basketball operations. Stone, a longtime Rockets front-office employee, was promoted to general manager to replace Morey. In his first public comments since his promotion, Stone said adamantly that the Rockets planned to continue pursuing championships with Harden as the franchise centerpiece. "For the last eight years or so, our goal has been to win a championship because we had James Harden," Stone said Thursday. "We've still got James Harden. Our goal is still to win a championship, and if you've got him, you're halfway there. It's incumbent on me and Stephen and the whole team to figure out the rest of the whole, but the key piece is there." Last edited by EricaLubarsky; 11-11-2020 at 12:14 PM. |
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I honestly thought it would take little longer than it has for Fertitta to turn the Rockets into the Knicks.
I've actually got to give him credit though for doing it so quickly. There's two ways this boils down for Houston: 1) Russ wants out but Harden stays - which is the top priority and would actually improve the team 2) Russ wants out followed by Harden - which is what my gut tells me would eventually occur When Morey left, he took out a full page in the paper giving thanks. Harden featured very heavily in that. Of course Harden is what launched Morey's name to what it is today - but I wonder if they were seeds being planted. Morey was always someone who listened to James in all facets of life not just basketball, but he still did whatever he could to appease James which helped develop their relationship. Fertitta has been so bad, that he has run off the head coach (his contract was up, but by all internal comms the Rockets wanted him back); the GM who said he wants to take time away from basketball to be with his family.... to accepting another job days later.... aka he wants to get the hell away from Fertitta; and has now upset the franchise player (unsubstantiated reports at the moment from Kendrick Perkins that Harden hasn't spoken to the front office for a while now.... although I know Russ and Perkins are tight so I assume where there's smoke there's fire) I pray Harden finds his way to Philly this season and he has a crack at the East, with his buddy Morey and a team that isn't afraid to spend to win. I don't want Fertitta ruining what's left of Harden's prime years I can only hope Harden doesn't either. Either way. I said to my friend immediately after the CP3/Westbrook trade happened that it is either going to go great, or it's going to come crashing down in epic proportions. It's funny to see this playing out. |
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I'll never understand the cheating thing though. Especially since Doncic has claimed he's built his game on Harden. I'd expect a Mavs fan to look past the ESPN talking heads who try to hammer the 'cheating' point home. It's been multiple years since Harden has predicated his game on jerking his head back as if he got whiplash when driving into the key. I suggest watching a Rockets game without the hater glasses on and actually acknowledge Harden is fouled and not given the foul, a lot more often than he gets a foul that isn't a foul. It's the same as the 'horrible defender' spiel. It's been multiple years since that was actually true. And there is ample evidence suggesting otherwise, but people don't care because ESPN keep trying to sway the narrative. But that is just what news media does I guess. Anyway, back to the topic at hand. Harden has done enough for the Rockets for me to wish him well. But as mentioned before, a big piece of the blame should fall at his feet and it would be deserved. Let's not get it twisted though, Tilman Fertitta is ruining the franchise, not James Harden. |
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Rockets All-Star Russell Westbrook wants out of Houston, sources told The Athletic’s Shams Charania.
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Seriously, who the hell would want him at this point? Why would any team trade for him? There's no contender that he would help more than he would hurt. He gets paid so much that you probably have to give up some valuable assets to get him even if you don't want to. If the Rockets actually had assets themselves to give, I could see a rebuilding team willing to take on his salary just to get the assets that would come with him, but the Rockets have nothing of value to offer... The ONLY reason anyone would trade for Russ is some dogsh*t team in a small market just wants a big name to sell some tickets... but selling tickets isn't even a thing right now. So agin... who the hell would want Westbrook and why? Russ has the weirdest career in NBA history. He's a former MVP who has averaged a 30 point triple double. Nobody would ever deny that he's one of the most incredible talents the game has ever seen. And yet even on his best day, I don't think most people ever really believed he was a winner. |
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