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dude1394 · 08-05-2004, 08:55 PM

I really haven't seen multiple refutations of the swiftboat vets yet? When you can show me the obvious lies, maybe I'll be more inclined to believe you.

I don't know if they are true or not, but I DO know the maggot moore lies on purpose.

Mavdog · 08-05-2004, 09:18 PM

Both are politically motivated character attacks. Moore has those who show his work to be manipulations, just like these vets.

Neither can claim the high road.

dude1394 · 08-05-2004, 09:31 PM

Hmmm... again show me something before you call them all liars.

FishForLunch · 08-05-2004, 11:01 PM

One supposed lie was one of the swift boat veterans piloted another boat 50 yards away and was not up Kerry ass so he could comment on his conduct. Splitting hairs thats what it is.

LRB · 08-05-2004, 11:08 PM

Well at least the liberals are defending Hanoi Jane Fonda ...

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dude1394 · 08-19-2004, 04:43 PM

MICHAEL MOORE MUST BE SO PROUD [ Jonah Goldberg ]

From a great piece by Amir Taheri:

The anti-Bush sentiment of the ruling elites in the Middle East is reflected in efforts to screen "Fahrenheit 9/11," Michael Moore's celluloid attack on the U.S. president. Last week, the mullahs running the Farabi Cinema complex in Tehran scrapped the season's program to screen Moore's "documentary."

"This film unmasks the Great Satan America," a spokesman said. "It tells Muslim people why they are right in hating America. It is the duty of every believer to see [this film] and learn the truth."

With the exception of Kuwait, which has banned it, Moore's film is shown or sold in pirated cassette form throughout the Arab world. Anti-American Arab television stations, including one owned by the Lebanese branch of the Hezbollah, have broadcast chunks of Moore's attack on Bush with commentaries more virulent than the original.

LRB · 08-19-2004, 05:32 PM

MIchael Moore is a traitor to his country and to humanity in general.

vinnieponte · 08-19-2004, 05:36 PM

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MIchael Moore is a traitor to his country and to humanity in general.

lol, you're a joke

kg_veteran · 08-19-2004, 05:45 PM

He is a friggin' traitor. And Mavdog, I'm ashamed at a smart guy like you for making such an illogical comparison. Sure, they're both politically motivated attacks, but that's where the parallel ends.

Moore has been proven a liar. The Swift Boat Vets have not.

Release the After-Action Report, John Kerry. Then we'll see who's lying. Heck, if they are lying, you probably get yourself some serious traction. Of course, if you were the one who's lying, well...

No wonder you won't sign the release.

LRB · 08-19-2004, 05:45 PM

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MIchael Moore is a traitor to his country and to humanity in general.

lol, you're a joke

No moore is a joke albeit a very sick one, and your comment is trollish. Anyone who knowingly aids the enemies of one's country is a traitor. And since terrorist are enemies to humanity in general, then by aiding the terrorists, Moore is being a traitor to humanity. Of course you seem to like people who support organization that intentionally target and kill children to gain political power.

Drbio · 08-19-2004, 06:15 PM

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He is a friggin' traitor. And Mavdog, I'm ashamed at a smart guy like you for making such an illogical comparison. Sure, they're both politically motivated attacks, but that's where the parallel ends.

Moore has been proven a liar. The Swift Boat Vets have not.

Release the After-Action Report, John Kerry. Then we'll see who's lying. Heck, if they are lying, you probably get yourself some serious traction. Of course, if you were the one who's lying, well...

No wonder you won't sign the release.

Exactly!

knowitall · 08-19-2004, 06:36 PM

Maybe Moore didn't want to make this movie. Maybe he is a very religious man and he first discussed this project with God. And maybe God told him it was his duty to complete this film and distribute it for the masses to behold. That would make him very much like Mr. Bush because it would explain why he made the decision to go ahead. God works in mysterious ways and I'm sure Mr. Bush would agree with that.
Who knows, perhaps Mr. Moore was misled by the very people that he counted on the most. If that is the case, then each and every one of us must forgive him and trust him in every future decision he makes.

LRB · 08-19-2004, 07:02 PM

The only simularities between Bush and Moore are that each has a Y chromosome. And I don't care who or what moore talked to, he's still a liar and a traitor.

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If that is the case, then each and every one of us must forgive him and trust him in every future decision he makes.

And this statement, though I'm sure was meant as sarcasm, is completely inane.

mavsman55 · 08-19-2004, 07:06 PM

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MIchael Moore is a traitor to his country and to humanity in general.

lol, you're a joke

You must be living under a rock.

knowitall · 08-19-2004, 07:56 PM

LRB Why is that a silly statement? Is Bush the only one that can use God's advise when it comes to making decisions? Is there a God that only the U.S. President can access? If there is then I take it all back. Did your God tell you that Moore is a traitor or did God tell you that anyone that disagrees with you is a traitor? Doesn't God love all life forms? Even the Iranians? Maybe you should ask God before you begin mapping targets in Tehran.

LRB · 08-19-2004, 08:50 PM

It's silly because you are speaking of a different God than teh one who Bush believes in. This God does not lie, nor does he tell others to. Furthermore you aren't serious about God telling Moore anything but are mocking. And no one has stated that we have to follow Bush because he prayed to God.

If you are serious about God then ask serious questions. However this mockery is extremely trollish in nature. It appears obvious that you have a huge problem with Bush's religion, why I don't know.

One of the things that is off limits is mocking one about their religion. You may disagree. You may criticize. However you are approaching that line which should not be crossed.

mavsman55 · 08-19-2004, 09:38 PM

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LRB Why is that a silly statement? Is Bush the only one that can use God's advise when it comes to making decisions? Is there a God that only the U.S. President can access? If there is then I take it all back. Did your God tell you that Moore is a traitor or did God tell you that anyone that disagrees with you is a traitor? Doesn't God love all life forms? Even the Iranians? Maybe you should ask God before you begin mapping targets in Tehran.

I'm only going to say this one more time. It's fine to believe whatever you want but criticizing some for believing in God like you've been is downright mean. You're offending me and lots of other people on this board... feel free to let your opinion be known but when your opinion is violent, mean, and hurtful, maybe you should keep it to yourself, or present it in a more humane manner. Good grief.

Mavdog · 08-19-2004, 09:49 PM

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Originally posted by: knowitall
Maybe Moore didn't want to make this movie. Maybe he is a very religious man and he first discussed this project with God. And maybe God told him it was his duty to complete this film and distribute it for the masses to behold. That would make him very much like Mr. Bush because it would explain why he made the decision to go ahead. God works in mysterious ways and I'm sure Mr. Bush would agree with that.
Who knows, perhaps Mr. Moore was misled by the very people that he counted on the most. If that is the case, then each and every one of us must forgive him and trust him in every future decision he makes.

pretty funny knowitall.

knowitall · 08-20-2004, 10:27 AM

Hey LRB. Bush didn't lie. He was simply "misled". Makes you wonder who is calling the shots in the White House. Bush must be pissed at the voices in his head.

LRB · 08-20-2004, 11:18 AM

Knowitall you're as bad as Moore at lying and making up crap. You really need to seek counseling for your problem that you have with Bush's religion.

kg_veteran · 08-20-2004, 11:30 AM

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Maybe Moore didn't want to make this movie. Maybe he is a very religious man and he first discussed this project with God. And maybe God told him it was his duty to complete this film and distribute it for the masses to behold. That would make him very much like Mr. Bush because it would explain why he made the decision to go ahead. God works in mysterious ways and I'm sure Mr. Bush would agree with that.
Who knows, perhaps Mr. Moore was misled by the very people that he counted on the most. If that is the case, then each and every one of us must forgive him and trust him in every future decision he makes.

pretty funny knowitall.

How is it funny? I'm no dummy, but it makes no sense to me. Nor does it address your illogical comparison of Moore to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

knowitall · 08-20-2004, 11:36 AM

I don't have a problem with his religion. It's the voices in his head that concern me. I haven't seen the movie. My comments are based on the hatred you have for him and anyone else that disagrees with you.

BTW, why are you so desparate to make me out as a God hater?

LRB · 08-20-2004, 11:42 AM

If you would stop ridiculing Bush's religion in every other post maybe you wouldn't appear to be such a God hater. However I call them like I see them and that is what you appear to be. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, odds are you're going to call it a duck.

I don't hate people just for disagreeing with me. What I do hate is people who intentionally mislead or lie as Moore has done. I hate people who betray their country as Moore has for his own gain.

kg_veteran · 08-20-2004, 11:45 AM

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Hey LRB. Bush didn't lie. He was simply "misled". Makes you wonder who is calling the shots in the White House. Bush must be pissed at the voices in his head.

This really confuses me.

At the time that we made the decision to invade Iraq, George Bush acted on intelligence provided to him, just as all presidents before him had in the past. At that time, everyone from John Kerry to Hillary Clinton to Germany to Russia believed the SAME thing -- that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. At that time, the overwhelming opinion from both sides of the aisle -- including from folks like John Kerry and Hillary Clinton -- was that we SHOULD invade Iraq. They supported the president's decision.

Just recently, John Kerry said that even knowing what he knows now, he still would have voted to authorize the invasion of Iraq.

If you disagreed with the decision to invade Iraq THEN and NOW, that's fine by me. If you disagree with how Bush has handled the Iraq invasion since it has begun, that's okay by me. You are entitled to those opinions. But for George Bush to have MISLED the American people, we would also have to say that John Kerry and Hillary Clinton and the other hundreds of politicians on Capitol Hill who supported the decision ALSO misled the American people. To continue to imply that George Bush (or his advisers) somehow pulled the wool over the eyes of the American people just so that they could go fight a war is irresponsible and wrong.

knowitall · 08-20-2004, 12:04 PM

I think we should take more time to analyze this "misled" issue. Were you and I misled along with Bush and Congress and the Senate and all the powers that be? While we sit wonder, there is one guy who new exactly what he was going to do.

LRB · 08-20-2004, 12:29 PM

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I think we should take more time to analyze this "misled" issue. Were you and I misled along with Bush and Congress and the Senate and all the powers that be? While we sit wonder, there is one guy who new exactly what he was going to do.

If you're referring to Bush in reqards to Iraq, then you have no more proof that Bush knew exactly what he was going to do than any member of congress knew exactly what they were going to do.

Bush had an overwhelming amount of intelligence from several countries and international organizations available to him which pointed to WMD's in Iraq. Bush gave Saddam at least 2 ways out from having an invasion, Saddam chose to accept neither one. While you certainly have a right to say you believe that Bush knew exactly what he was going to, you've shown no credible proof that would make strongly support this belief.

knowitall · 08-20-2004, 01:28 PM

No credible proof. If you mean do I have a journalist view to refer to, then no. If you have noticed, I have NEVER referred to any column that someone has created. You, on the other hand, constantly copy and paste any journalistic view that is convenient to support your perspective while previously stating that you "didn't put much faith in the media". Those were your exact words. That is what's called a classic flipflop.

mavsman55 · 08-20-2004, 01:42 PM

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I don't have a problem with his religion. It's the voices in his head that concern me. I haven't seen the movie. My comments are based on the hatred you have for him and anyone else that disagrees with you.

BTW, why are you so desparate to make me out as a God hater?

You have no idea how under-informed you are about Christianity. God is not a voice in your head. It's pretty much impossible to make fun of what you call "the voices in his head" without making fun of the religion itself. When did I say I hate you? I just asked you to stop. Big difference.

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BTW, why are you so desparate to make me out as a God hater?

I think it's best that I ignore this one. You don't want me to go back searching through old threads picking out every derogatory thing you've said about God and Christianity in General.

I don't hate you. I have no idea how you got that idea. Just please, express your opinions in a less offensive way.

knowitall · 08-20-2004, 01:56 PM

Mavsman, I promise I am not making fun of religion. I'm making fun of how Bush uses religion to his advantage.

kg_veteran · 08-20-2004, 02:07 PM

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I think we should take more time to analyze this "misled" issue. Were you and I misled along with Bush and Congress and the Senate and all the powers that be? While we sit wonder, there is one guy who new exactly what he was going to do.

A couple more thoughts on being "misled":

1. Saying that we were misled ASSUMES that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction. That has not been proven yet. And in fact, the majority of Americans still believe that Saddam DID have weapons of mass destruction. The point is, people who advance the "we were misled" argument keep making an assumption they're not entitled to make -- that is, that the report of Saddam having weapons of mass destruction was false.

2. Saying that we were misled ASSUMES that George Bush knew that the information he was acting upon was false. I'm sorry, but that's nonsense. He believed the information to be true, just like John Kerry and France and Germany and Russia and everybody else in the civilized world did.

Having said that, I have one question for you. Who is this "one guy" to whom you're referring?

LRB · 08-20-2004, 02:07 PM

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No credible proof. If you mean do I have a journalist view to refer to, then no. If you have noticed, I have NEVER referred to any column that someone has created. You, on the other hand, constantly copy and paste any journalistic view that is convenient to support your perspective while previously stating that you "didn't put much faith in the media". Those were your exact words. That is what's called a classic flipflop.

I don't put much faith in the media to report in an unbiased fashion. However they do report facts along with their interpretations. I more times than not feel that their interpretations are biased in a left leaning fashion. However not all are that way. The media does a fairly good job, but not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, of reporting facts accurately. Their biggest problem is leaving facts out. Most of what I post are for the facts and quotes there in. At least that is the case when I post for proof. However, I do post opinions to generate discussion. I really don't see how that could be construed as a flipflop. But then you don't seem to make a lot of sense with a great many things that you post.

Now back to the main point. So are you saying that you have no evidence what so ever of any shape form or fashion other than your personal hunch? Because to me that's what it sounds like you're saying.

kg_veteran · 08-20-2004, 02:09 PM

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Mavsman, I promise I am not making fun of religion. I'm making fun of how Bush uses religion to his advantage.

Have you ever considered that George Bush might actually be a man of faith? Does the fact that he's a politician preclude that possibility?

knowitall · 08-20-2004, 02:28 PM

Whether Bush is a man of faith has nothing to do with it. I said he "uses" religion to his advantage. Do you think he says all of that because he's simply thinking out loud? Or was he bending the ears of a large, religious population......to his advantage?

kg_veteran · 08-20-2004, 02:32 PM

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Whether Bush is a man of faith has nothing to do with it. I said he "uses" religion to his advantage. Do you think he says all of that because he's simply thinking out loud? Or was he bending the ears of a large, religious population......to his advantage?

I'm sure that he knows who his voter base is, there's no doubt about that. But I happen to believe his faith is genuine. I don't think he is changing who he is to appeal to his voter base. If he were doing that, there would be something to criticize.

LRB · 08-20-2004, 02:39 PM

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I said he "uses" religion to his advantage.

Still don't see where the problem is here. If it's a part of his person, why hide it and pretend to be something you're not because showing who you truely are will give you advantage. Are you saying Bush should lie whenever the truth will give him an advantage?

knowitall · 08-20-2004, 02:46 PM

By doing so he can scare, put the fear of God into the voters that still think at least a portion of the moon is made of cheese.

LRB · 08-20-2004, 02:50 PM

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By doing so he can scare, put the fear of God into the voters that still think at least a portion of the moon is made of cheese.

Why would Bush care about the almost insignificantly small % of voters who think that the moom is made of cheese. I would assume that at most there can't be more than a few hundred scattered throughout the US and I doubt if most of them even vote.

kg_veteran · 08-20-2004, 02:50 PM

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By doing so he can scare, put the fear of God into the voters that still think at least a portion of the moon is made of cheese.

You mean that Bush can get all those "kooks" who believe in God to vote for him?

knowitall · 08-20-2004, 02:57 PM

No. Just the ones who believe "only" in God. Bush is very savvy. Kerry is not. Just might be enough to swing the vote for another term.

kg_veteran · 08-20-2004, 02:58 PM

Believe "only" in God? What does that mean?

Also, I guess you now concede that Bush didn't mislead the American people.