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SMC0007 · 06-25-2022, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

The idea that Brunson is a poor fit for this team, is an odd take. There are 3 players on the team that can dribble, get in the lane, and create their own shot. One of those players is quite flawed, and not a starter for a contender. The rest of the team can?t do any of those things. At all. Players who create their own shots are the most valuable thing in the game.

I agree with the value of a guy creating his own offense.

But.... JB is poor defensively. That's not a good fit next to Luka who is also sub par defensively.

Dtownsfinest · 06-25-2022, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

I agree with the value of a guy creating his own offense.

But.... JB is poor defensively. That's not a good fit next to Luka who is also sub par defensively.

I don't view JB as a poor defender...his size probably iimits him against some guys but in 2022 I'm not really concerned with if one of my best scorers can play defense. I'd love a 2 way guy like Jimmy but they just aren't out there. So then you're stuck with one dimensional guys who can just play D and shoot 3's or a scorer who's limited defensively. If I have Bullock and DFS around Brunson I'm ok .

SMC0007 · 06-25-2022, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

I don't view JB as a poor defender...his size probably iimits him against some guys but in 2022 I'm not really concerned with if one of my best scorers can play defense. I'd love a 2 way guy like Jimmy but they just aren't out there. So then you're stuck with one dimensional guys who can just play D and shoot 3's or a scorer who's limited defensively. If I have Bullock and DFS around Brunson I'm ok .

Yea having Jimmy would be incredible for us.

Brunson is bad defensively though. I watch him fail on assignments and simply lose his man about 3 times per game. That's fundamental basketball too. I'm not saying he isn't worth what we are about to offer him. He's a great player, but next to a top 2 or 3 player in the game (Luka) who also can't play defense well yet...it's not exactly a perfect fit.

FreshJive · 06-25-2022, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

I agree with the value of a guy creating his own offense.

But.... JB is poor defensively. That's not a good fit next to Luka who is also sub par defensively.

The Mavs are good defensively as a team, so JB?s individual defense is not important. The players that make the team good defensively are the kind of stand and shoot players that require you to have a Luka or Jalen on the floor at all times to be able to compete.

SMC0007 · 06-25-2022, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

The Mavs are good defensively as a team, so JB?s individual defense is not important. The players that make the team good defensively are the kind of stand and shoot players that require you to have a Luka or Jalen on the floor at all times to be able to compete.

JB single handedly cost us really big moments defensively numerous times. Again, I'm certainly hoping he signs back up because I thoroughly believe he has the work ethic and smarts to continually improve all aspects of his craft, including defense. It's not even getting blasted 1v1, its simple keeping up with his man and not getting lost and recognizing switches better. I've been on bring JB back train, even at 25m. I was only speaking to it not being a perfect fit. When 6'7'' Reggie or DFS has to guard other team PGs...there's a bit of a problem.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-25-2022, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

JB single handedly cost us really big moments defensively numerous times. Again, I'm certainly hoping he signs back up because I thoroughly believe he has the work ethic and smarts to continually improve all aspects of his craft, including defense. It's not even getting blasted 1v1, its simple keeping up with his man and not getting lost and recognizing switches better. I've been on bring JB back train, even at 25m. I was only speaking to it not being a perfect fit. When 6'7'' Reggie or DFS has to guard other team PGs...there's a bit of a problem.

Not that you don't know it now, but JB at 25 million isn't happening. Price is gonna be 27.5-30 per.

tap2390 · 06-26-2022, 07:56 AM

Luka has definitely shot us out of games. All superstars have done it. Giannis has lost games at the free throw line. Lebron has missed buzzer beaters. Steph has lost in the play-in. It happens.

They get the benefit of the doubt because they are the engines that make their teams run. I'm not saying Luka is above criticism, I am saying criticizing his efficiency considering the defensive attention he draws and the difficulty of his looks is a stretch.

As far as JB goes, the money will be there whether it's Dallas or NY. The decision he has to make is whether he wants his "own" team.

SMC0007 · 06-26-2022, 01:06 PM

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As far as JB goes, the money will be there whether it's Dallas or NY. The decision he has to make is whether he wants his "own" team.[/QUOTE]

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Thespiralgoeson · 06-26-2022, 01:55 PM

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As far as JB goes, the money will be there whether it's Dallas or NY. The decision he has to make is whether he wants his "own" team.

I actually have the opposite take. I think it is just about the money. Nobody talks to Marc Stein about free agency options by accident. The people close to Brunson have an agenda. I think Brunson- through his people- is making it clear that if the Mavs want to keep him, they have to pony up. He's not taking a home team discount.

Because EVERYTHING we've heard about Brunson until that Stein report a couple of days ago indicated the exact opposite of this idea that he wanted to be "the Man" on a lesser team. We've heard over and over again that he's happy in Dallas, that he was telling his people around him that re-signing was a "done deal" and that really, really wants to win.

I think he is probably surprised just how hard the Knicks are coming after him, and understandably, is using that as leverage to get a better deal from the Mavs.

Melonhead · 06-26-2022, 02:14 PM

Crazy to think JB went to the FO and said I?ll do the extension and Mavs said pause. I know why they did it but god damn what a blunder

SMC0007 · 06-26-2022, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Not that you don't know it now, but JB at 25 million isn't happening. Price is gonna be 27.5-30 per.

Yea I've seen that too but I'm not yet convinced.

Zeus · 06-27-2022, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Not that you don't know it now, but JB at 25 million isn't happening. Price is gonna be 27.5-30 per.

That's ok. 30 per doesn't affect the team building whatsoever as we are over the cap either way. Just more luxury tax for Mark to pay and perhaps makes JB a little more difficult to move down the road? Maybe maybe not as a tradeable asset. If he continues to improve the 30 per wont be a big deal as the cap explodes over the next several years. Bottom line: JB walking with nothing in return would be almost as catastrophic as the selection of JG at #18 in 2020 and the failure to use all the salary available in the free agency period of 2019.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-27-2022, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

That's ok. 30 per doesn't affect the team building whatsoever as we are over the cap either way. Just more luxury tax for Mark to pay and perhaps makes JB a little more difficult to move down the road? Maybe maybe not as a tradeable asset. If he continues to improve the 30 per wont be a big deal as the cap explodes over the next several years. Bottom line: JB walking with nothing in return would be almost as catastrophic as the selection of JG at #18 in 2020 and the failure to use all the salary available in the free agency period of 2019.

Yes, this is exactly why I don't care very much about Brunson being overpaid. Whether he makes 20 million or 30 million, it really doesn't make any difference to us. It's an odd thing that fans do, but we instinctively try to put ourselves in the shoes of the owners when it comes to player salaries, like "No, we can't pay him that much money!!" Like, why do we care? The Mavs are over the cap even without Brunson at all, so paying him an extra 10 million a year has no effect on our ability to build the roster. It makes me laugh when I see fans grumbling about paying Brunson a bunch of money. Like, do you personally care about Mark Cuban's bank balance??