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aexchange · 05-24-2005, 09:04 AM

indiana trades:
jeff foster
austin croshere
ron ron the rotweiller artest

dallas trades
dampier
daniels
TAW

dallas does the trade to get a true lockdown defender. and get a real center for madape [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

indiana does it to get out from croshere's terrible contract, artest the headcase. they get a big center to plug in besides o'neal. and they also get a nice young swingman from dallas whose game compliments stephen jackson's. they dump croshere's terrible contract and let insurance take care of wahad.

what does everyone think?

Pirate · 05-24-2005, 09:16 AM

Indy is NOT interested in trading Artest - so you can scratch that idea. Croshere's contract has almost run out, so they arent really dying to trade him anymore.

dalmations202 · 05-24-2005, 10:35 AM

I'd do it, most on this board wouldn't. Indy won't do it. Dallas probably wouldn't do it.

You aren't giving up much to get a defensive player of the year, and some solid big men.

kingrex · 05-24-2005, 10:46 AM

Dallas and Indiana wouldn't do it, but maybe they would do this:

INDIANA TRADES:
Ron Artest
Jeff Foster

DALLAS TRADES:
Josh Howard
Eric Dampier

Dallas would give up alot to get alot, but they would also get rid of a Dampier contract that they would have to first conclude was a mistake for this deal to happen.

grndmstr_c · 05-24-2005, 11:31 AM

And you call yourself a moderator.

Pirate · 05-24-2005, 12:27 PM

I cant see the Mavs offering TWO STARTERS in a trade. Thats a silly concept. Dampier is the best center they've had in a decade or more. Josh is a star in the making. You would kill your team with such a dumb trade.

jthig32 · 05-24-2005, 12:30 PM

I don't think there's any way either team makes this trade, but don't kid yourself, this is not some stupid one-sided trade. You can not overstate the player Ron Artest is. If he was sane, he'd be regarded as a top 10 player in the NBA.

Then you look at Jeff Foster, and he's a better rebounder than Damp, and he has a consistent 15 ft jumper. He doesn't bring the muscle and defense Damp brings, but for pure rebounding he's better.

Anyway, like I said, no way anything like this happens, but it's rather fair.

XERXES · 05-24-2005, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by: grndmstr_c
And you call yourself a moderator.

line of the week material...

cheesestar · 05-24-2005, 03:04 PM

no to letting go of josh...no way

aexchange · 12-09-2005, 09:15 PM

stephen smith mentioned that dallas was on the list of artest's preferred destinations should he be traded from indiana, cleveland being the other.

anyone do a
stackhouse
daniels
dampier

for
artest
foster
croshere?

discuss.

birdsanctuary · 12-09-2005, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aexchange

stephen smith mentioned that dallas was on the list of artest's preferred destinations should he be traded from indiana, cleveland being the other.

anyone do a
stackhouse
daniels
dampier

for
artest
foster
croshere?

discuss.

This deal would put Dallas way over the top... Jet could play the 2, hell with Artest playing the 3 I'd put Jho in at the 2... and use JET as the 6th man. It'd be pretty damn weird having Dirk, KVH the poor mans Dirk, and Croshere a poor man's KVH...A combo of Foster and Diop would be very solid, easily just as solid as Damp and Diop...

Mavs win a championship hands down...I'd bet my right and left nut on it...

aexchange · 12-09-2005, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by birdsanctuary

This deal would put Dallas way over the top... Jet could play the 2, hell with Artest playing the 3 I'd put Jho in at the 2... and use JET as the 6th man. It'd be pretty damn weird having Dirk, KVH the poor mans Dirk, and Croshere a poor man's KVH...A combo of Foster and Diop would be very solid, easily just as solid as Damp and Diop...

Mavs win a championship hands down...I'd bet my right and left nut on it...

yeah, after thinking about it i think we have to include howard in any deal to get artest. but if we could get him without giving up howard/harris/nowitzki, i'm all over this deal.

Dirkenstien · 12-09-2005, 11:04 PM

If we can get Artest without giving up Howard or Dirk then we do the trade. Otherwise, no thanks.

birdsanctuary · 12-09-2005, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aexchange

yeah, after thinking about it i think we have to include howard in any deal to get artest. but if we could get him without giving up howard/harris/nowitzki, i'm all over this deal.

You are probably right...but I don't see a workable senario with Howard going to Indy...his salary is too small..he'd have to be packaged with like KVH... and that's way too good of a deal for Indy getting KVH and his huge expiring contract and Josh with his way underpaid salary...Indy would have to give up a draft pick or something else to even it out.

something like this, but we'd have to cut someone off the roster:

Dallas Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Keith Van Horn
6-10 SF from Utah
12.3 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 0.8 apg in 27.6 minutes

Josh Howard
6-7 SF from Wake Forrest
15.1 ppg, 7.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 35.0 minutes

DJ Ilunga-Mbenga
7-0 C from Congo (Foreign)
0.3 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.3 apg in 2.3 minutes

Incoming

Austin Croshere
6-10 PF from Providence
8.4 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 27.2 minutes

Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's
19.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.8 minutes

Stephen Jackson
6-8 SG from Oak Hill Academy (HS)
13.9 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 2.2 apg in 34.8 minutes
Change in team outlook: +14.0 ppg, +2.0 rpg, and +2.6 apg.

Indiana Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Austin Croshere
6-10 PF from Providence
8.4 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 27.2 minutes

Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's
19.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.8 minutes

Stephen Jackson
6-8 SG from Oak Hill Academy (HS)
13.9 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 2.2 apg in 34.8 minutes
Incoming

Keith Van Horn
6-10 SF from Utah
12.3 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 0.8 apg in 27.6 minutes Josh Howard

Josh Howard
6-7 SF from Wake Forrest
15.1 ppg, 7.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 35.0 minutes

DJ Ilunga-Mbenga
7-0 C from Congo (Foreign)
0.3 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.3 apg in 2.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: -14.0 ppg, -2.0 rpg, and -2.6 apg.

Successful Scenario
Due to Dallas and Indiana being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Dallas and Indiana had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Daniels/Jackson/Stackhouse
Harris/Armstrong/Marshall
Artest/Croshere/Griffin
Nowitzki/Foster/Powell
Damp/Diop/Foster

birdsanctuary · 12-09-2005, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pirate

Indy is NOT interested in trading Artest - so you can scratch that idea. Croshere's contract has almost run out, so they arent really dying to trade him anymore.

According to the Barkley the brain they are:

Artest For Peja Being Discussed? REAL GM ARTICLE LINK
9th December, 2005 - 1:31 pm
Sacramento Bee - Charles Barkley reported that the Kings and Indiana Pacers have renewed discussions about a swap involving Peja Stojakovic and Ron Artest.

"Ask Geoff," Kings co-owner Joe Maloof said as he hurried toward his office, knowing that Petrie is as frozen-lipped as a statue.

Pressed about possible personnel moves the other day, Petrie replied tersely, "There are no trades in the works."

Regardless of whether he remains with the Kings, or even re-signs with the Kings, Stojakovic is at an obvious crossroads. The absence of emotion is crippling his career. The obvious lack of confidence is overwhelming his skill.

birdsanctuary · 12-09-2005, 11:43 PM

Frankly the question should be asked who would be a better fit for this Mavs team...Pierce or Artest... personally I think the Mavs have a better chance with Pierce...Artest is always a day away from the asylum..

Dirkenstien · 12-10-2005, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by birdsanctuary

Frankly the question should be asked who would be a better fit for this Mavs team...Pierce or Artest... personally I think the Mavs have a better chance with Pierce...Artest is always a day away from the asylum..

I love Pierce and I am all about trying to land him for anyone not named Dirk or Howard, but I think Artest would be a huge addition to this team considering what he can do defensively. Pierce is solid defensively as well, but Artest brings Defensive Player of the Year capabilities to the table.

Imagine the possibilities of what Avery could do with two of the best shut down defenders in the league in Howard and Artest playing right next to each other. Then throw a speedy and defensive minded PG into the mix in Harris, two burley shot-blocking centers and one helluva sharpshooting/rebounding PF in Mr. Dirk and you have a scary championship combination.

It would be enough to make the Spurs shake in their little black and silver boots.

aexchange · 01-13-2006, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingrex

Dallas and Indiana wouldn't do it, but maybe they would do this:

INDIANA TRADES:
Ron Artest
Jeff Foster

DALLAS TRADES:
Josh Howard
Eric Dampier

Dallas would give up alot to get alot, but they would also get rid of a Dampier contract that they would have to first conclude was a mistake for this deal to happen.

who pulls the trigger on this deal?

chumdawg · 01-13-2006, 04:03 PM

I do!

aexchange · 01-13-2006, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chumdawg

I do!

you are a smart man chum.

jayC · 01-15-2006, 12:16 AM

Hell that would be a great deal for Dallas. Dampier can at least body Shaq and give him fits. Foster is a great offensive rebounder and hustle guy.

Terry/Harris
Daniels/Griffin
Artest/Stackhouse
Dirk/Van Horn
Diop/Foster

Dirkenstien · 01-18-2006, 12:45 AM

I would like to see Artest go Utah. Artest and Kirilenko playing side by side would exhibit some phenomenal defense. Not to mention Utah is in the West and is in dire need of the primary offensive option Artest longs to be. With that said, I think Sloan could do a great job with him.

According to RealGM, Harpring and Kris Humphries works for Artest.
Utah's potential lineup:

D. Williams / D.Brown
Artest
Kirilenko
Boozer
Okur

Not bad at all.