Beyond my wildest dreams...said Maylee T.

[OutletPass]

Apologies, as I begin this thread, have to go out to DDH33...he and V have been pitching Rashweed to me for over a month, and honestly, I didn't see it. However...I've been talking to some other people...and a really interesting idea emerged from all of our PM talks...and I'd like to float it for discussion...it's more of a "Do one thing now...and 2 things later" idea...

I'll take you to the result first, and then backtrack:

C: Dampier, TAG, Bradley
PF: Rasheed, Fortson
Sf: Dirk, Jho
Sg: Fin, Daniels
Pg: Nash, Best (or better)

6th man: Walker at the 1,2,3 or 4.

Here are the assumptions to make it happen:

1) Walker can play anywhere on this team. And that he's now accepted as "a piece in the puzzle"...if you said that to me a few months ago...I would have quarreled with it terribly. I honestly think that he's one of those guys who wants a ring...and one of the very few that can play the 1,2,3, or 4.

2) We can trade Jamison (and whatever) for Rasheed. This is a bit more difficult...bu,at some point, Portland is going to have to be honest...they're just not going to get back an all star or some expiring contracts for Rasheed. Honestly,, they're going to have to blink.

3) TAG, to me, is an easy call. He'll go for the MLE to come back home...he's already banked about $70 mil in his 13 years and that's cold cash for a white boy from Dincanville with no hops...

4) Ok, Dampier is problematic..I admit...he plays well in contract years...but he's young and he's like AJ...just a guy who was stuck on the losing thing in GS. I would bet that he's hoping for a $9 mil per year contract...but would be ecstatic with a 6 year..$47.5 mil K...

I'd be very happy to get steps 1,2 and 3 accomplished...and Nash can be resigned within those parameters...

But that 4th step is a bitch....and, in the end, that's why the Portland thing is so important...

If we can abuse them salary and contract-wise...it will set up the move on Dampier.

I know tht I'm dreaming...but Mark does, too !!!

[OutletPass]

The other idea...derived from a bunch of PM's was to simply let Antoine opt out for a $13 mil savings..

and have this:

C: Dampier, Tag, Bradley
pf: Dirk, Najera
SF: Jamison, JHo
Sg:Fin, Daniels, Delk (or better)
PG: Nash, Best (or better)

You just have to sign TAG and Dampier and give Steve his contract.

It's a bit easier...but much less intimidating.

Either way, this is the year to go for the 5 slot.

[uberfan]

Originally posted by: OutletPass
The other idea...derived from a bunch of PM's was to simply let Antoine opt out for a $13 mil savings..

and have this:

C: Dampier, Tag, Bradley
pf: Dirk, Najera
SF: Jamison, JHo
Sg:Fin, Daniels, Delk (or better)
PG: Nash, Best (or better)

You just have to sign TAG and Dampier and give Steve his contract.

It's a bit easier...but much less intimidating.

Either way, this is the year to go for the 5 slot.

I don't understand why Walker is going to opt out of a $13 season. You think he is going to get more elsewhere?

[uberfan]

This one confuses me. We sign TAG for the MLE. OK, I understand that. Where does the money come from to even make an offer to Dampier? If we are over the cap, and we are, we only have the MLE (and in our case the LLE) to offer any FA not our own.

[Blonde Bomber]

Originally posted by: uberfan
This one confuses me. We sign TAG for the MLE. OK, I understand that. Where does the money come from to even make an offer to Dampier? If we are over the cap, and we are, we only have the MLE (and in our case the LLE) to offer any FA not our own.

That's what I was thinking. Where is the money coming from to give Dampier, without a sign and trade?

[Poindexter Einstein]

OP .... you have grabbed Dampier out of midair and planted him on the Mavs roster?

How do you propose that the Mavs get him? trade (and if so, for whom)? FA (and if so, how)? sign-and-trade (and if so, for whom)?

Makes no sense, dude.

[kg_veteran]

I am confused, too.

Even if you let Rasheed walk you'd probably still be over the cap (I haven't checked the numbers to verify this).

[uberfan]

Originally posted by: kg_veteran
I am confused, too.

Even if you let Rasheed walk you'd probably still be over the cap (I haven't checked the numbers to verify this).

So far over that Rasheed walking makes no difference.

[kg_veteran]

Just checked the numbers. Even if we really "screwed" the Blazers contract-wise (which I SERIOUSLY doubt they'd let happen), this is about the best trade we could make to dump salary and stay within the parameters described above:

Dallas trades: SF Antawn Jamison (15.7 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.0 apg in 30.0 minutes)
SF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (15.7 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.0 apg in 30.0 minutes)
PF Danny Fortson (3.8 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.8 minutes)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 13.7 minutes)
PG Tony Delk (6.6 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 16.3 minutes)
Dallas receives: SF Rasheed Wallace (17.1 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.1 minutes)
C Dale Davis (6.0 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.5 apg in 28.8 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -6.3 ppg, -3.0 rpg, and +1.8 apg.

Portland trades: SF Rasheed Wallace (17.1 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.1 minutes)
C Dale Davis (6.0 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.5 apg in 28.8 minutes)
Portland receives: SF Antawn Jamison (15.7 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.0 apg in 45 games)
SF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (15.7 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.0 apg in 45 games)
PF Danny Fortson (3.8 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 0.2 apg in 33 games)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 28 games)
PG Tony Delk (6.6 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 29 games)
Change in team outlook: +6.3 ppg, +3.0 rpg, and -1.8 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Again, no way that Portland would make that trade simply to get rid of Wallace or simply to get Jamison, but assuming they would...

The Mavs could then let Davis and Wallace walk in the offseason, and they'd be able to shed a little over $32 million in salary next year. The problem is, they'd still be committed to paying just over $52 million BEFORE giving Steve his inevitable payraise. By the time they do that, the total commitment will likely be in the $57-59 million range. That means they're gonna be $10-15 million over the cap.

You'd have to figure out a way to dump not only Jamison's salary but Walker's salary to get Dampier to Dallas as a free agent.

[ddh33]

I'm not completely sure I understand what's happening here, but I'll chime in anyway...

First of all, I haven't been trying to pitch Rasheed. Honestly, I'm not sure if I want him here or not. He is an interesting name to talk about. And here is why...
1. His talent and ability. The guy has a world of talent if he'll ever use it...
2. His contract. He could really open a lot of doors for this team. Obviously, if we got Rasheed, we could just resign him a little cheaper. We could let him walk and take the savings (unlikely). Or we could use him as the ultimate bargaining chip. There seems to be a lot of interest in Rasheed because of his talent. If he could come here and recessitate his image, he might be able to get us some of the bigger fish that a lot of people have wanted. The problem is that a lot of that is so dependent on him...

I do think that adding Tag would be a great move. Getting Dampier seems much more difficult. He would seem to be a prime sign and trade candidate, but I don't know what we would give up for him.

[Max Power]

Originally posted by: ddh33
Or we could use him as the ultimate bargaining chip. There seems to be a lot of interest in Rasheed because of his talent. If he could come here and recessitate his image, he might be able to get us some of the bigger fish that a lot of people have wanted.

If Wallace was a great bargaining chip then Portland wouldn't trade him. And we wouldn't have enough time with him to resurrect his image. I'd take Wallace and Davis for Jamison and junk but that's about it.

[MightyToine]

I don't understand why Walker is going to opt out of a $13 season. You think he is going to get more elsewhere?

Stranger things have happened.....Though, in a perfect world, Walker will opt out only to sign for a lower but LONGER Deal with the Mavs (8 years 72 million). [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]


But realistically speaking, I can't see Walker giving up 14 mil so I'd venture to say that he tests the free agent market next year and see if Cuban can match it or better.

[LRB]

Originally posted by: MightyToine

Stranger things have happened.....Though, in a perfect world, Walker will opt out only to sign for a lower but LONGER Deal with the Mavs (8 years 72 million). [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]


But realistically speaking, I can't see Walker giving up 14 mil so I'd venture to say that he tests the free agent market next year and see if Cuban can match it or better.

Maybe Walker is going to opt out because he thinks he can make more money as a FT coach. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: LRB

Maybe Walker is going to opt out because he thinks he can make more money as a FT coach. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

Wouldn't it be funny if he got hired to be Shaq's FT Coach??? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[Jeremiah]

Originally posted by: OutletPass

4) Ok, Dampier is problematic..I admit...he plays well in contract years...but he's young and he's like AJ...just a guy who was stuck on the losing thing in GS. I would bet that he's hoping for a $9 mil per year contract...but would be ecstatic with a 6 year..$47.5 mil K...

If the following, from another thread in "Around the NBA," is true, then I don't see how he'd be anywhere near ecstatic. He might settle, but I don't see ecstatic. Then again, I don't know the guy.

Dampier has two more years and $17 million left on his contract, which is pretty reasonable considering the going rate on big men. Dampier does have an opt out in his contract after this season, but the Blazers can afford to re-sign him should he opt out.

[Poindexter Einstein]

What difference does it make whether Dampier costs $7M a year in this scenario, or $10M, or $12M? There is nothing in any of it that even attempts to offer an explanation as to how the Mavs might be able to get him (even at $7-8M). No trade concept offered.

This is just stupid.

Come on OP, if you are going to criticize the trade proposals that others put up here, the least you can do is offer something rational to discuss.

[Fidel]

Originally posted by: OutletPass
The other idea...derived from a bunch of PM's was to simply let Antoine opt out for a $13 mil savings..

and have this:

C: Dampier, Tag, Bradley
pf: Dirk, Najera
SF: Jamison, JHo
Sg:Fin, Daniels, Delk (or better)
PG: Nash, Best (or better)

You just have to sign TAG and Dampier and give Steve his contract.

It's a bit easier...but much less intimidating.

Either way, this is the year to go for the 5 slot.

Even if Walker opts out AND Nash opts out we still would have guaranteed contracts worth around 63 mil before resigning Nash. We can offer the MLE to Tag and resign Nash, but there is no way to get dampier without a trade.


The first scenario you posted is pretty much the same. Even if Sheed and Nash don´t count against the cap we´d still have Walker which puts us at roughly 60 mil of guaranteed salaries (before resigning anyone). So it´s basicly the same. We could sign Nash and Sheed and Tag for the MLE but no Dampier here either. We´d somehow have to get around 22 mil of expiring contracts out of the Jamison trade + the expiring contract of Sheed to make a push for Dampier. Overall that´s around 34 mil of expiring contracts. Not very realistic to say the least.

Edit: even if Walker also opts out in the second scenario we´d still be over the cap and would have to find another 10 mil of expiring contracts.

[OutletPass]

My bad...it was little joke...hatched by 3 of us from the board in an altered state the other night...

Sorry. I've already sent my guy DDH an aplogy for using the wrong words...

We've discussed Rasheed a bunch and I didn't mean to imply that he was advocating Rasheed...

Again, sorry to everyone...I should have known not to prank around.

[Murphy3]

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