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FINtastic · 10-26-2008, 02:51 PM

This could be a depressing but appropriate end to the game. Although Tampa Bay is wasting a lot of time on this clock...

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 10-26-2008, 02:52 PM

Damn the Boys D gotta hold em.

Damnit 1st down conversion on 4th and 4.

FINtastic · 10-26-2008, 02:53 PM

We really, really need this win. C'mon D.

FINtastic · 10-26-2008, 02:55 PM

This team keeps dropping like flies. Why can't we avoid injuries?

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 10-26-2008, 02:57 PM

I read an article before the season picking against the Cowboys to even make the playoffs. They said by law of average we would get hit with a lot of injuries (we've been the least injured team in the last 3 years) I laughed at it at the time, now I'm not laughing.

FINtastic · 10-26-2008, 02:58 PM

This is really going to come right down to the wire.

FINtastic · 10-26-2008, 03:02 PM

Maybe I just don't understand the rule, but was that not grounding? I didn't think he left the pocket and I didn't see someone in the area.

Dtownsfinest · 10-26-2008, 03:05 PM

YEAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! Ware should've got the sack.

FINtastic · 10-26-2008, 03:05 PM

It's hard to quantify how important this win was for the Cowboys, but this was a big win.

Dtownsfinest · 10-26-2008, 03:06 PM

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Maybe I just don't understand the rule, but was that not grounding? I didn't think he left the pocket and I didn't see someone in the area.

I don't understand the rule myself. Especially concerning Garcia because I saw Ware have about 2 sacks that Garcia just threw away while in the pocket and no one in sight.

dude1394 · 10-26-2008, 03:06 PM

I'd still fire johnson...right now......

FINtastic · 10-26-2008, 03:06 PM

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YEAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! Ware should've got the sack.

Yeah even if the streak got snapped, Ware is a complete beast.

u2sarajevo · 10-26-2008, 03:06 PM

So we DO have a Defense!!!!

Caseman · 10-26-2008, 03:07 PM

Garcia had an open man to his right on that last play. If he didn't have happy-feet, he might have saw him.

Dtownsfinest · 10-26-2008, 03:07 PM

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It's hard to quantify how important this win was for the Cowboys, but this was a big win.

The most important thing though was to see a sense of urgency. To atleast see heart. Guys getting into it with the opposing team, wrapping up on tackles......It was just good to see this team actually show a pulse.

Dtownsfinest · 10-26-2008, 03:08 PM

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I'd still fire johnson...right now......

He didn't do anything that I wouldn't expect from a 3rd stringer. At this point if its between Bollinger and Johnson i'd take the guy who's not gonna make mistakes and who can throw accurate on a open receiver.

dude1394 · 10-26-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

Maybe I just don't understand the rule, but was that not grounding? I didn't think he left the pocket and I didn't see someone in the area.

Agree...that has to be grounding...it's the definition of grounding.

dude1394 · 10-26-2008, 03:10 PM

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He didn't do anything that I wouldn't expect from a 3rd stringer. At this point if its between Bollinger and Johnson i'd take the guy who's not gonna make mistakes and who can throw accurate on a open receiver.

Hmm...who's that going to be? Johnson didn't throw a pick but couldn't hit a receiver. Bollinger probably can hit a receiver but maybe some picks?

Hmm...Brooks Bollinger...couldn't win a gig in Minnesota?? Eek...

jleefilled · 10-26-2008, 03:11 PM

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So we DO have a Defense!!!!

Wow, without Henry, Newman, and Pacman, the Cowboys defense held the Bucs to 3 points in the second half. He got burned a couple of times in this game, but I think Jenkins just grew up before our eyes.

Caseman · 10-26-2008, 03:12 PM

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Agree...that has to be grounding...it's the definition of grounding.

I think they gave him the benefit of the doubt since the ball dropped near a reciever. After seeing the replay, he didn't even look where he was throwing, so I think he grounded it. But from the ref's perspective, they couldn't tell whether he intentially did it or not watching it live.

jleefilled · 10-26-2008, 03:13 PM

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Hmm...who's that going to be? Johnson didn't throw a pick but couldn't hit a receiver. Bollinger probably can hit a receiver but maybe some picks?

I thought Johnson showed some signs of life in this game. He definitely played a heady game in my opinion. No turnovers is a beautiful stat for the Cowboys.

Dtownsfinest · 10-26-2008, 03:14 PM

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Hmm...who's that going to be? Johnson didn't throw a pick but couldn't hit a receiver. Bollinger probably can hit a receiver but maybe some picks?

Yea that's my worry. I don't trust Bollinger at all. Atleast with Johnson I know he won't make rookie mistakes. I'd like a guy who can throw a deep ball though. Seriously Johnson short armed 2 td's I feel.

Dtownsfinest · 10-26-2008, 03:16 PM

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I thought Johnson showed some signs of life in this game. He definitely played a heady game in my opinion. No turnovers is a beautiful stat for the Cowboys.

Well.....he didn't fumble i'll say. He got sacked twice where I was for sure he'd get the fumble. To the point where I wouldn't have even ripped him for fumbling. That one where I forget his name just went untouched. Actually I think he was the one who sacked him twice where I thought Johnson would fumble. Johnson was decent. I agree. I just expect more. Not Romo but to hit the open man. You don't get many chances to get gamebreaking td's. I thought he missed 2. Had about 2 interceptions that didn't get him in trouble.

Dtownsfinest · 10-26-2008, 03:19 PM

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Wow, without Henry, Newman, and Pacman, the Cowboys defense held the Bucs to 3 points in the second half. He got burned a couple of times in this game, but I think Jenkins just grew up before our eyes.

I agree. I saw him make rookie mistakes in the 1st half and eventually just get comfortable. The Bucc's corner Talib was the one who went before Jenkins wasn't it? I forget. But he held his own. All the corners. Ball, Jenkins and Scandrick. Our young guys. That's promising. Henry had a good game as well. Made some great tackles to stop 1st downs.

FINtastic · 10-26-2008, 03:20 PM

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I think they gave him the benefit of the doubt since the ball dropped near a reciever. After seeing the replay, he didn't even look where he was throwing, so I think he grounded it. But from the ref's perspective, they couldn't tell whether he intentially did it or not watching it live.

Honestly I wasn't even referring to the 4th down play, I was talking about a few plays earlier when the announcers were slobbering about how gritty Garcia was for using his arm strength to force a throw and avoid a sack. Except for the fact that there really wasn't anyone in the area that he was throwing to that I saw. But that 4th down throw was pretty questionable as well.

Dtownsfinest · 10-26-2008, 03:20 PM

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Hmm...Brooks Bollinger...couldn't win a gig in Minnesota?? Eek...

That's another thing. I can't help but think he's horrible if he couldn't beat out Booty, Jackson or Ferotte. That scares me.

Caseman · 10-26-2008, 03:25 PM

Tampa's OL lost the game for them. All credit to the Dallas DL, but a team shouldn't be able to send 4 and get pressure on a QB. By the end of the game, Garcia was so paranoid of being hit, he was jumping with every step. Probably the reason why he didn't see the open man on that final play. Tampa's OL looked like Dallas's OL from last week. No protection for more than 2 seconds. Dallas probably could have just rushed Ware and get soem decent pressure. Just bad, poor, and ugly for the Tampa offense.

FINtastic · 10-26-2008, 03:26 PM

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I agree. I saw him make rookie mistakes in the 1st half and eventually just get comfortable. The Bucc's corner Talib was the one who went before Jenkins wasn't it? I forget. But he held his own. All the corners. Ball, Jenkins and Scandrick. Our young guys. That's promising. Henry had a good game as well. Made some great tackles to stop 1st downs.

The nice thing about about the injuries/suspension in the secondary is that it's forcing our young corners to grow up fast.

Caseman · 10-26-2008, 03:29 PM

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The nice thing about about the injuries/suspension in the secondary is that it's forcing our young corners to grow up fast.

I think it's the Ross Effect (from the Giants). Any secondary is gonna look great when your front is getting heavy pressure. I don't think Jenkins can cover for more than a couple seconds. But today he also had some great tackles, so his full concentration was here today.

Dtownsfinest · 10-26-2008, 03:35 PM

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I think it's the Ross Effect (from the Giants). Any secondary is gonna look great when your front is getting heavy pressure. I don't think Jenkins can cover for more than a couple seconds. But today he also had some great tackles, so his full concentration was here today.

Who can cover for more than a couple of seconds? That's why our defense has been so horrible. Wade or whoever has been relying on the defensive line to get pressure and not blitzing Ellis and Ware as much as he should. Ellis should rarely be in coverage. Asking your corner to guard a receiver for more than a couple of seconds is impossible IMO. I wouldn't even expect Deion Sanders in his prime to do so. That's the key to this team. Hopefully they understand that after today. I saw everyone being blitz. I don't even remember seeing us blitz Zach Thomas or Bradie James. We did today.

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The nice thing about about the injuries/suspension in the secondary is that it's forcing our young corners to grow up fast.

I agree. That's what I thought about last season when Newman and Henry got hurt and Nate Jones and Jacque Reeves got some time. But damn it seemed like it made them worse lol. But these guys are a lot better corners. I like what we have in Scandrick and Jenkins. I really like Scandrick's confidence.

Caseman · 10-26-2008, 03:39 PM

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Who can cover for more than a couple of seconds? That's why our defense has been so horrible. Wade or whoever has been relying on the defensive line to get pressure and not blitzing Ellis and Ware as much as he should. Ellis should rarely be in coverage. Asking your corner to guard a receiver for more than a couple of seconds is impossible IMO. I wouldn't even expect Deion Sanders in his prime to do so. That's the key to this team. Hopefully they understand that after today. I saw everyone being blitz. I don't even remember seeing us blitz Zach Thomas or Bradie James. We did today.

If they ever isolate Jenkins for a deep route, you better hope he can cover for more than a couple seconds. Tampa couldn't do that today without Garcia scrambling. Face a team with a adaquete OL, and a protected QB can make Jenkins look like a rookie.

I think you underrate Deion Sanders

Murphy3 · 10-26-2008, 03:44 PM

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If they ever isolate Jenkins for a deep route, you better hope he can cover for more than a couple seconds. Tampa couldn't do that today without Garcia scrambling. Face a team with a adaquete OL, and a protected QB can make Jenkins look like a rookie.

I think you underrate Deion Sanders

Wow, good job with the idiotic comment. Tampa had given up only 8 sacks coming into the game. Only 5 teams had given up fewer. They were also 9th in the NFL in rushing yards per game. They're also in the top 10 in yards per rush.

Here's a little advice. Don't throw out stupid shit without expecting it to get thrown back in your face. You have no clue as to how good Tampa's offensive line is.. Get a freaking clue.

Caseman · 10-26-2008, 03:48 PM

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Wow, good job with the idiotic comment. Tampa had given up only 8 sacks coming into the game. Only 5 teams had given up fewer. They were also 9th in the NFL in rushing yards per game. They're also in the top 10 in yards per rush.

Here's a little advice. Don't throw out stupid shit without expecting it to get thrown back in your face. You have no clue as to how good Tampa's offensive line is.. Get a freaking clue.

Oh yeah, because a team can never have a bad game

Tampa OL will always be perfect, and Dallas just beat them playing at their tip-top level of performance.

No team should be able to get QB pressure with 4 men up front. What were YOU guys complaining about after the Cardinals game?

Why don't you calm down. I'm sorry I don't praise the Cowboys as the dominant force you wish they were.

Murphy3 · 10-26-2008, 03:52 PM

You're saying they don't have an adequate line. Obviously, you're not talking about just in this game. Tampa didn't just forget how to block. The Cowboys came with much more pressure via the blitz in this game than they have in the past. They brought the blitz from different places.

You're just not a smart guy. You have no idea what you're talking about. I'll rip you a new asshole if you post anything that stupid again.

Caseman · 10-26-2008, 03:58 PM

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You're saying they don't have an adequate line. Obviously, you're not talking about just in this game. Tampa didn't just forget how to block. The Cowboys came with much more pressure via the blitz in this game than they have in the past. They brought the blitz from different places.

You're just not a smart guy. You have no idea what you're talking about. I'll rip you a new asshole if you post anything that stupid again.

They brought more blitzes, yes. But when they were in sell-out coverage, they were still making Garcia scramble out of the pocket. Of course, according to you, this had nothing to do with the poor blocking. Dallas DL just is the best and nothing else contributed to the total domination of Garcia.

Do you have any life issues you should be dealing with? Might wanna seek help if you need to threaten someone over hot sports opinions.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 10-26-2008, 04:06 PM

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They brought more blitzes, yes. But when they were in sell-out coverage, they were still making Garcia scramble out of the pocket. Of course, according to you, this had nothing to do with the poor blocking. Dallas DL just is the best and nothing else contributed to the total domination of Garcia.

Do you have any life issues you should be dealing with? Might wanna seek help if you need to threaten someone over hot sports opinions.

You argue over this stuff overall more than anyone on this forum. So who has the issues?

Caseman · 10-26-2008, 04:11 PM

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You argue over this stuff overall more than anyone on this forum. So who has the issues?

You're right. I'm horrible. I'll leave.

Dtownsfinest · 10-26-2008, 04:11 PM

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You're saying they don't have an adequate line. Obviously, you're not talking about just in this game. Tampa didn't just forget how to block. The Cowboys came with much more pressure via the blitz in this game than they have in the past. They brought the blitz from different places.

You're just not a smart guy. You have no idea what you're talking about. I'll rip you a new asshole if you post anything that stupid again.

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If they ever isolate Jenkins for a deep route, you better hope he can cover for more than a couple seconds. Tampa couldn't do that today without Garcia scrambling. Face a team with a adaquete OL, and a protected QB can make Jenkins look like a rookie.

I think you underrate Deion Sanders

I don't mean deep routes. I'm referring to short routes where there's nothing there for the qb so the receiver has to basically freestyle and do whatever it takes to get open. You can't ask a corner to defend that. I don't know any corner in this league that can. He sure as hell doesn't play for the Deadskins lol.

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They brought more blitzes, yes. But when they were in sell-out coverage, they were still making Garcia scramble out of the pocket. Of course, according to you, this had nothing to do with the poor blocking. Dallas DL just is the best and nothing else contributed to the total domination of Garcia.

Do you have any life issues you should be dealing with? Might wanna seek help if you need to threaten someone over hot sports opinions.

You might not be familiar with the Bucc's o-line but its considered one of the best in the league. And what makes them so scary is that you have one that's 27 and the rest are all under 25 years old. That's scary. They're going to be together for 7-8 years. You can call it a bad game if you want but if the Cowboys didn't send any blitz's or didn't get any pressure on the Bucc's everyone would be screaming how good the Bucc's o-line is. At what point is it just great pressure on the quarterback?

Caseman · 10-26-2008, 04:18 PM

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I don't mean deep routes. I'm referring to short routes where there's nothing there for the qb so the receiver has to basically freestyle and do whatever it takes to get open. You can't ask a corner to defend that. I don't know any corner in this league that can. He sure as hell doesn't play for the Deadskins lol

I won't even comment on the Redskins "insult" considering you don't even watch them.

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You might not be familiar with the Bucc's o-line but its considered one of the best in the league. And what makes them so scary is that you have one that's 27 and the rest are all under 25 years old. That's scary. They're going to be together for 7-8 years. You can call it a bad game if you want but if the Cowboys didn't send any blitz's or didn't get any pressure on the Bucc's everyone would be screaming how good the Bucc's o-line is. At what point is it just great pressure on the quarterback?

That's one way to spin it. Look, I don't want to go in circles with this, so I'll say this. Fine, Dallas had good pressure today. That's a good game for them (possibly a bad game for the Buccs). If they do it to the Giants, then that's a good trend. Then we can all tout them for their greatness.

Dtownsfinest · 10-26-2008, 04:32 PM

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I won't even comment on the Redskins "insult" considering you don't even watch them.

That's one way to spin it. Look, I don't want to go in circles with this, so I'll say this. Fine, Dallas had good pressure today. That's a good game for them (possibly a bad game for the Buccs). If they do it to the Giants, then that's a good trend. Then we can all tout them for their greatness.

Well i'm not touting them as great. Especially this season. Just for a team that's defense has been so inconsistent it was great to see the defense actually win the game for us. That's all i'm saying. The defense has the personnel to play like this. Its what we've been expecting. Just haven't seen it.

And who on the Deadskins can hold a corner for more than a couple of seconds with no pressure on the quarterback? There's only one man i'd even consider a shut down corner and he's not Deadskin.