Mavs 116 Queens 95

[tcat075]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Black hole stat.. Josh's game validated. Ouch...
http://basketball-statistics.com/who...einthenba.html

Yup. He's a black hole.

I see Green up there too. In his defense, part of the reason is because he plays in garbage time and is sometimes force fed the ball because the backups know he can score/want to see him dunk, but we all know that's one of Green's problems. He's not a passer.

Now, in defense of Josh: there were some pretty good players on that list. Rudy Gay and Michael Beasley are good players. But their both #1 scoring options on bad teams, so they often are told to be a chucker, even if their shot isn't falling, because its hte best option on the team. Josh is a #3 option when Jet is healthy, so he really shouldn't be on that list...

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Black hole stat.. Josh's game validated. Ouch...
http://basketball-statistics.com/who...einthenba.html

Email that to Cuban.

[tcat075]

Looking around on that same site, I'm not completely sure their stats are to be accepted as 100% factual.

They list the top 50 offensive players, and Dirk is behind players such as Steve Blake, Jameer Nelson, Delonte West and LaMarcus Aldridge.

Meanwhile, both Erick Dampier AND Ryan Hollins are considered to be in the top 50 offensive players this season.

Something is quite wrong with that. Also, Dirk is apparently the best Mavs defensive player behind Erick Dampier, and Gerald Green is the 5th best Mavs defender (behind Damp, Dirk, Kidd and Shawn Williams).

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by jthig32

I don't understand this mantra of forcing first half minutes on Stack to get him into the swing of things. In November we were told Carlisle let Stack know that he was no longer a regular rotation player, and that was what led Stack to rest and fix his injury.

So now that he's back, we think so much of him that we're acting as if he's a no brainer member of the rotation, to the point that we force feed him minutes during games that aren't decided?

I don't get it.

If Stack really was dealing with an injury that he's basically over now, don't you think his pedigree is enough for him to get some minutes to see if he can get it going? I do, and I think he's been used pretty intelligently, as well. First half, spanning the first and second quarters when the 2nd units are on the floor and he's not going to have to guard a legit wing scorer on the other team. I won't argue he's playing well, because he isn't, but I don't mind him at least getting the chance.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

If Stack really was dealing with an injury that he's basically over now, don't you think his pedigree is enough for him to get some minutes to see if he can get it going? I do, and I think he's been used pretty intelligently, as well. First half, spanning the first and second quarters when the 2nd units are on the floor and he's not going to have to guard a legit wing scorer on the other team. I won't argue he's playing well, because he isn't, but I don't mind him at least getting the chance.

We heard plenty during training camp about Stack being in better shape and him having abs, yadda, yadda. At what point do you say that the guy is done? He was averaging about a field goal a game plus plenty of misses when the season began.

You won't argue he is playing well so....why play him? Exactly what is anyone looking for him to contribute at this point? He can't shoot, can't defend, and the knees are gone.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

We heard plenty during training camp about Stack being in better shape and him having abs, yadda, yadda. At what point do you say that the guy is done? He was averaging about a field goal a game plus plenty of misses when the season began.

You won't argue he is playing well so....why play him? Exactly what is anyone looking for him to contribute at this point? He can't shoot, can't defend, and the knees are gone.

You can be in outstanding shape and still have a foot injury that will prevent you from playing basketball at a high level. And you can get in not outstanding shape pretty quickly if you're restricting your activity level to try to get over a foot injury.

As for when you say he's done? You say he's done if he can't start showing signs of improvement fairly soon, now that he's ostensibly healthy again.

And you play him to see if you can get him playing well. What I am looking for him to contribute is whatever he can. If it's not enough to justify playing him ahead of DG and Carroll, then you end the experiment and give them his minutes.

I feel like this is all just common sense - at least if you believe that the foot injury was real. And it's not like his PT thus far has cost the Mavs any games.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

You can be in outstanding shape and still have a foot injury that will prevent you from playing basketball at a high level. And you can get in not outstanding shape pretty quickly if you're restricting your activity level to try to get over a foot injury.

As for when you say he's done? You say he's done if he can't start showing signs of improvement fairly soon, now that he's ostensibly healthy again.

And you play him to see if you can get him playing well. What I am looking for him to contribute is whatever he can. If it's not enough to justify playing him ahead of DG and Carroll, then you end the experiment and give them his minutes.

I feel like this is all just common sense - at least if you believe that the foot injury was real. And it's not like his PT thus far has cost the Mavs any games.

just to add on to that:
"I don't want people to have ridiculous expectations about him coming back and being our savior because this has been three months," coach Rick Carlisle said. "This is going to take some time."

People were also clamoring for some toughness/fight to come to this team, doesn't Stack bring that as well?

[Murphy3]

I did something last night that I had never done before....... I left early. The game was ugly.. even on the Mavs side of things.

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

just to add on to that:
"I don't want people to have ridiculous expectations about him coming back and being our savior because this has been three months," coach Rick Carlisle said. "This is going to take some time."

People were also clamoring for some toughness/fight to come to this team, doesn't Stack bring that as well?

No, Stack brings a poor decision maker that's more likely to hurt this team with his 'toughness' than he is to help this team with his 'toughness'.

I don't want to see a 85 year old 2g/sf acting as if he's MJ out on the court and monopolizing the ball like he is very likely to do.. Yet, he not good at getting to the rim anymore and he never could shoot the ball worth a damn.

His 'toughness' has always been hugely overrated.

[BGMaverick9]

85 years old is a bit of a stretch but I gotcha.

[tcat075]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

I did something last night that I had never done before....... I left early. The game was ugly.. even on the Mavs side of things.

How is a 20 point blowout in favor of your own team an ugly game?

[Dirkadirkastan]

Murph never leaves a game early in his life until the "ugly" game in which ancient Stackhouse tries to make a comeback. Classic.

[tcat075]

lol, that's what I was thinking. he must really hate stackhouse...

[Windmill360]

Murphs only been to three mavs games in his whole life. True fact.

[tcat075]

Originally Posted by Windmill360

Murphs only been to three mavs games in his whole life. True fact.

stalker?

[Louis]

Josh Howard always plays good when facing weak teams like queens, but always sucks in front of scrub teams.

Paul Pierce ate him alive in the game against celtics.

[TheMaverick]

what?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Louis

Josh Howard always plays good when facing weak teams like queens, but always sucks in front of scrub teams.

Paul Pierce ate him alive in the game against celtics.

I think you mean't sucks against good teams.