Do the impossible...

[cheesestar]

personally, with our coach, i dont think that we will ever become a defensive team although our team has some average or above average defensive players (bradley, josh, fortson) so in place of that as long as our coach is nellie i think the only possible way that we will win a championship is with a offensive minded system. having said that the only way to run an offensive minded system is to re-sign nash. but chances are that we'll fail with this system. i dont think that we have to make major moves in the offseason but maybe get some role players and a backup for nash to come off the bench and have a line up of:

nash:marquis
finley:marquis (minutes shared evenly)
howard:jamison (minutes shared evenly)
dirk:fortson:najera
bradley:fortson:scott if he's still here

i think that starting lineup is not that bad defensively.
any thoughts?

[madape]

Where's Antoine?!

[cheesestar]

hopefully gone

[dalmations202]

none of Bradley, Fortson, Scott (will retire), or Najera are good enough offensively to play in a Nellie system, and not good enough defensively to make up for the defensive woes of the other starting 4. IMO, we are better off with 2-3 offensive people on the floor at a time, instead of 4 or 5 with only one basketball. Also, we need another Center to take up the minutes, because Fortson, Najera are not Centers, and Bradley needs to be limited to about 20 a night.

Yes, by all means resign Nash, and Quis as well (if you don't have to break the bank). But keep looking and trying to get a BIG Time defensive Center.

[cheesestar]

so what we need is a good defensive center that has offensive skills so nellie will play him? doesnt that kind of lead us back to the to much offense problem?

[dalmations202]

Originally posted by: cheesestar
so what we need is a good defensive center that has offensive skills so nellie will play him? doesnt that kind of lead us back to the to much offense problem?

You catch on quickly don't you......................LOL.....just kidding.......

[Psychedelic Fuzz]

Not a bad starting lineup, but realistically, you have to factor in two things:

1. Bradley won't start unless the mavs play the rockets. I think he can contribute, but he won't start. If nellie is willing to start Walker at the 5 instead of Bradley, it ain't gonna happen.

2. If Antoine Walker is gone, you have to add in what we get in return.

[cheesestar]

i really dont understand nellie's coaching thinking.
he wants to create mismatches (whether for better or for worse) even when he has the best mismatch maker in dirk (which has a positive effect)
and plays walker at center instead of fortson, who dalmations says is not a real center
if fortson is not a "real center" doesnt that make walker even less of one?

[dalmations202]

Originally posted by: cheesestar
i really dont understand nellie's coaching thinking.
he wants to create mismatches (whether for better or for worse) even when he has the best mismatch maker in dirk (which has a positive effect)
and plays walker at center instead of fortson, who dalmations says is not a real center
if fortson is not a "real center" doesnt that make walker even less of one?

Not in a Nellie system. A Nellie system is run and gun. Stand your ground, and let them shoot. If they make it, push it, if they miss, fast break. If you have enough offensive people on, you break and either take the layup, or kick out to the 3 point line for a shot. Fortson isn't a Center in a Nellie system for 2 reasons: 1) he doesn't shoot the 3 or jumpshot well 2) he really isn't that tall.

Walker is a much better Center in a Nellie system. He is taller than Fortson, and most importantly shoots the 3 (although not efficiently). This is why I think Dirk will have a harder time developing. Nellie will always have a plan to move him to Center because he is a 7' and shoots the 3.

It is very unconventional, and looks great when the jumper is falling........looks like you have no D though most of the time.

The answer though is to put enough TRUE centers on the team to play defense, and force Nellie to play a Center (as well as emphasizing defense). Then Dirk is at his 4 position and is still a mismatch.

This year, there was only one true Center on the team, so the offense and defense was designed around not having one in the game. This caused the defense to lack, and subsequently the chemistry to fail. This also moved Dirk out of position, and forced him to be the last line of defense - which hurt his offense, and kept him out of some parts of games due to foul trouble.

[cheesestar]

is walker realy taller than fortson? i thought they were both around 6' 8". and if the offense really does look better with shots falling why is walker in it. even in nellie's system i think fortson or bradley fits better but more so shawn. i think the mavs have enough other guys besides walker that can push the offense but in this case i think forton is a better rebounder and if walker cant shot efficiently why even have him as the center?, even in nelie's offense? and just imo i think that shawn has a better shot than walker[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[dalmations202]

Originally posted by: cheesestar
is walker realy taller than fortson? i thought they were both around 6' 8".

Yes, but neither is anywhere close to 7'

and if the offense really does look better with shots falling why is walker in it.

your guess is as good as mine

even in nellie's system i think fortson or bradley fits better but more so shawn. i think the mavs have enough other guys besides walker that can push the offense but in this case i think forton is a better rebounder and if walker cant shot efficiently why even have him as the center?, even in nelie's offense?

That is a Nellie question, I guess he expected Walker to shoot the 3 efficiently, since he shot so many of them in Boston. I think that both Shawn and Fortson would have been better options.

and just imo i think that shawn has a better shot than walker[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

No disagreement from me. At least it is smoother, and he uses it more efficiently.

[Psychedelic Fuzz]

Danny Fortson isn't a real center in anyone's system. He's too short and frankly doesn't have the hops to make up for it. He won't get a lot of time because he's offensively challenged.

Shawn does have a nice shot, but when he uses it, someone will inevitably start whining about how he should be under the basket and not taking midrange jumpers, no matter how good he is at it.

[basketball jonessss]

All I can say is give Fortson Walkers minutes and look out. Nellie spends too much time trying to kill a tiger with a 22 instead of pulling out the 7 millimeter magnum.

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: basketball jonessss
All I can say is give Fortson Walkers minutes and look out. Nellie spends too much time trying to kill a tiger with a 22 instead of pulling out the 7 millimeter magnum.

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