7 Words You Can't Say in Campaign 2008

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by Evilmav2

A lot of Republicans aren't all that enthused about McCain, but Obama is a scarier specter than traditional Dem clowns like Gore or Kerry, and thusly, don't be surprised if the Obama 'tide' does in fact inspire large numbers of folks in the South and Midwest to come out and and cast votes that might be more accurately described as being anti-Obama than pro-McCain...

Not gonna happen, Evil. Folks may disapprove of Obama, but they don't see him as a threat. If they are of that mindset, they will just...as Clayton Williams suggested...lay back and enjoy it.

[wmbwinn]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll

Read.

Obama still carries an electoral college advantage right now. Ohio and Michigan are the middle and undecided, Michigan leaning Dem.

The NRA is about to launch its assault... That flipped Michigan last time...

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by wmbwinn

The Rasmusen poll is the nation's best independent polling source. Rasmusen says you are wrong at the present time.

Rasmusen shows Obama leading by Electoral College but not by total percentage. By total percentage, Obama and McCain are within the margin of error (or statistically tied).

I thought we already discussed this. Obama fares poorly, relatively speaking, in polls during the dead seasons. But once the media cycle turns on and Obama gives some speeches, or participates in some debates, it swings back his way.

When the attention heats up, Obama will poll way better than McCain...

[wmbwinn]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

I thought we already discussed this. Obama fares poorly, relatively speaking, in polls during the dead seasons. But once the media cycle turns on and Obama gives some speeches, or participates in some debates, it swings back his way.

When the attention heats up, Obama will poll way better than McCain...

We'll see...
McCain has done nothing yet.
The NRA has done nothing yet.
The Republican party has done nothing yet.
The Swift Boat type groups have done nothing yet.
Blitzkrieg coming...

And, the more Obama talks about real detail, the better McCain will do. Debates cause the speakers to get beyond flowery meaningless rhetoric...

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by wmbwinn

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll

Read.

Obama still carries an electoral college advantage right now. Ohio and Michigan are the middle and undecided, Michigan leaning Dem.

The NRA is about to launch its assault... That flipped Michigan last time...

You are tilting against windmills, dude. After the conventions, this thing wil be settled.

[wmbwinn]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

I thought we already discussed this. Obama fares poorly, relatively speaking, in polls during the dead seasons. But once the media cycle turns on and Obama gives some speeches, or participates in some debates, it swings back his way.

When the attention heats up, Obama will poll way better than McCain...

There is no such thing as a dead media cycle. The media has not been dead for years leading up to now...

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by wmbwinn

We'll see...
McCain has done nothing yet.
The NRA has done nothing yet.
The Republican party has done nothing yet.
The Swift Boat type groups have done nothing yet.
Blitzkrieg coming...

Bring it. The NRA can't swing an election, as much as I'm sure you would like to believe they can. The swift boats have to have something to swift boat. They aren't going to find it with Obama. He's the Teflon Don, in this context.

And, the more Obama talks about real detail, the better McCain will do. Debates cause the speakers to get beyond flowery meaningless rhetoric...

If you don't think Obama will absolutely shred McCain in the debates, then you just aren't paying attention. Start with Kennedy-Nixon in '60 and move forward from there...

[wmbwinn]

"The NRA can't swing an election, as much as I'm sure you would like to believe they can"

Without the NRA, Al Gore is President. John Kerry is also President without the NRA.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by wmbwinn

There is no such thing as a dead media cycle. The media has not been dead for years leading up to now...

Gimme a break! When Clinton "found her voice" in New Hampshire, did timing have anything to do with it?

It is ALL about timing. And this season is fairly meaningless.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by wmbwinn

"The NRA can't swing an election, as much as I'm sure you would like to believe they can"

Without the NRA, Al Gore is President. John Kerry is also President without the NRA.

Doubtful.

[wmbwinn]

All McCain needs is for Obama to keep talking...

Obama succeeded by saying nice things that meant nothing.

Obama succeeded by saying what he needed to say in the Primaries. Now, he shifts to say what he thinks he needs to say at this point. If he wins, he will shift back to the left away from the Center.

Americans have taken notice.

Just keep Obama talking.

You are right that McCain has nothing.

But, if Obama keeps talking, he sinks his own ship.

[wmbwinn]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Doubtful.

Were you asleep or hanging out with Josh with a dubie during those election cycles?

Al Gore and Kerry would have easily beaten GW Bush if:
1)Gore and Kerry were not so anti gun
2)the NRA didn't exist

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by wmbwinn

Were you asleep or hanging out with Josh with a dubie during those election cycles?

Al Gore and Kerry would have easily beaten GW Bush if:
1)Gore and Kerry were not so anti gun
2)the NRA didn't exist

Yeah, because those 80-year-olds in Dade County just LOVE to wield their weapons.

[Evilmav2]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Not gonna happen, Evil. Folks may disapprove of Obama, but they don't see him as a threat. If they are of that mindset, they will just...as Clayton Williams suggested...lay back and enjoy it.

We'll just have to see about that. I'd say that McCain is currently doing a very poor job of both rallying the grass-roots, conservative troops and selling his own compelling story and experience to the American public, but the weird, cult-of-golden-self of the Obama campaign continues to offset those McCain campaign faults by promulgating it's own alarming self-obsessive narrative- a narrative that my gut and experience tells me, many average Americans have become increasingly disturbed by...


Cult of Weird, Narcissistic Self-Obsession: LightWorker Edition

[wmbwinn]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Yeah, because those 80-year-olds in Dade County just LOVE to wield their weapons.

80 year olds in Dade County and the Supreme Court would not have mattered if the NRA did not rally Michigan to GW Bush and tilt other state races in the same way.

You are missing the point. If Kerry or Al Gore could have won Arkansas, Dade County and the Supreme Court would not have mattered.

Right now, the race rests with Ohio and Michigan. If both go Republican, then you have a dead heat in the electoral college at this point. They are the difference. Go to Rasmusen and look at the numbers.

In the last two election cycles, the NRA made the difference. Of course, gay marriage was a huge advantage to GW Bush also.

[wmbwinn]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Yeah, because those 80-year-olds in Dade County just LOVE to wield their weapons.

Did you know that Taurus (a gun company) sells a revolver called "The Judge"? That revolver got that name because some female judges in Florida carry them for their own protection...

Guns are an issue in Florida and everywhere.

[wmbwinn]

The Swift Boat attacks this year (ads by private groups) may likely target Obama's resistance to drilling and similar common sense approaches. Look to see Pelosi quoted with photoshops putting Obama next to her...

It doesn't have to be a military type issue...

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by Evilmav2

We'll just have to see about that. I'd say that McCain is currently doing a very poor job of both rallying the grass-roots, conservative troops and selling his own compelling story and experience to the American public, but the weird, cult-of-golden-self of the Obama campaign continues to offset those McCain campaign faults by promulgating it's own alarming self-obsessive narrative- a narrative that my gut and experience tells me, many average Americans have become increasingly disturbed by...

I can't imagine why you would think that. The "cult of personality" has driven most of the elections in our lifetime. Certainly it has driven the last four. Why would you expect the present election to be any different from 1992, when Clinton rode that cult of personality into the White House, against an incumbent administration that was nowhere near as troubled as the present one? Why you would expect the present election to be any different from the last two, when Bush rode his cult of personality into the White House, against a troubled administration in the first case and a terribly weak opponent in the second?

[Evilmav2]

Originally Posted by wmbwinn

Go to Rasmusen and look at the numbers.

On a seperate, but somewhat related note... Rasmussen Markets is the big stockmarket-style prediction engine that uses public betting on political events to generate polling data. And anybody who chose to look at the rankings of the Rasmussen Markets might be surprised to see a familiar name ranking as the currently ranked 41st best prognosticator in the country, #2 in the state of Texas (with many thousands competing nationwide)...

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by wmbwinn

Did you know that Taurus (a gun company) sells a revolver called "The Judge"? That revolver got that name because some female judges in Florida carry them for their own protection...

Guns are an issue in Florida and everywhere.

No, I didn't know that. But something tells me that the majority of voters in Florida aren't too interested.

Look, Obama is too smart to piss off the wannabe soldiers like yourself. If this is the angle you are hoping you play, I'm afraid you are going to be disappointed.

[wmbwinn]

"something tells me" doesn't sound like sound evidence.

Psychiatrists call it psychosis or excessive internal stimuli...

Now, before you go ballistic, I am just having fun and smiling as I type this.

Guns have been a huge issue in several presidential campaigns. This is why Obama is adopting the strategy of the movie "The Holy Grail" which is:
"Run Away, Run Away, Run Away!!!"

Obama is trying hard to not upset gun owners.

But, when the TV ads and grassroot efforts begin, his voting record and the unconstitutional gun control stance of Chicago are going to move center screen.

[wmbwinn]

That's really cool, Evil. Very cool.

[wmbwinn]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

No, I didn't know that. But something tells me that the majority of voters in Florida aren't too interested.

Look, Obama is too smart to piss off the wannabe soldiers like yourself. If this is the angle you are hoping you play, I'm afraid you are going to be disappointed.

It doesn't require that a majority of voters are interested. It matters how many of the moderates are interested that are undecided or who may change their mind.

A change of 100,000 votes can be decisive. And, the NRA routinely delivers that kind of performance. You get the die hard right wingers like me and you get some of the moderates that own guns and think they should own guns.

[dude1394]

http://www.theonion.com/content/news...nion_rss_daily

NEW YORK—Hailed by media critics as the fluffiest, most toothless, and softest-hitting coverage of the presidential candidate to date, a story in this week’s Time magazine is being called the definitive Barack Obama puff piece.

“No news publication has dared to barely scratch the surface like this before,” columnist and campaign reporter Michael King wrote in The Washington Post Tuesday. “This profile sets a benchmark for mindless filler by which all other features about Sen. Obama will now be judged. Just impressive puff-journalism all around.”

The 24-page profile, entitled “Boogyin’ With Barack,” hit newsstands Monday and contains photos of the candidate as a baby, graduating from Columbia University, standing and laughing, holding hands with his wife and best friend, Michelle, greeting a crowd of blue-collar autoworkers, eating breakfast with diner patrons, and staring pensively out of an airplane window while a pen and legal pad rest comfortably on his lowered tray table.

According to political analysts, the Time piece features the most lack-of-depth reporting on Obama ever published, and for the first time reveals a number of inconsequential truths about the candidate, including how he keeps in shape on the campaign trail, and which historical figures the presidential hopeful would choose to have dinner with.

“The sheer breadth of fluff in this story is something to be marveled at,” New York Times Washington bureau chief Dean Baquet said.

[wmbwinn]

Looks like Time Magazine is going to help Obama look good with no content.

Eventually someone will realize that the emperor has no clothes...

[jefelump]

Originally Posted by wmbwinn

"something tells me" doesn't sound like sound evidence.

Psychiatrists call it psychosis or excessive internal stimuli...

Now, before you go ballistic, I am just having fun and smiling as I type this.

Guns have been a huge issue in several presidential campaigns. This is why Obama is adopting the strategy of the movie "The Holy Grail" which is:
"Run Away, Run Away, Run Away!!!"

Obama is trying hard to not upset gun owners.

But, when the TV ads and grassroot efforts begin, his voting record and the unconstitutional gun control stance of Chicago are going to move center screen.

I think Obama's Swift Boat equivalent will be the gun control issues in Chicago, since he was a state senator there. He supported Chicago's bans, so the NRA and others will attack him on it, and the Left will say we're "swift boating" him. It's a classic tactic of attacking your attacker and taking national attention away from the real issue.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by jefelump

I think Obama's Swift Boat equivalent will be the gun control issues in Chicago, since he was a state senator there. He supported Chicago's bans, so the NRA and others will attack him on it, and the Left will say we're "swift boating" him. It's a classic tactic of attacking your attacker and taking national attention away from the real issue.

Bear in mind that this will only apply to people who think the gun control debate is a big deal. In that respect it is markedly different from Kerry's military experience, since he made that a cornerstone of his campaign.

[jefelump]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Bear in mind that this will only apply to people who think the gun control debate is a big deal. In that respect it is markedly different from Kerry's military experience, since he made that a cornerstone of his campaign.

Not everyone cared about Kerry's military experience. Afterall he had how many millions of people vote for him? It only has to matter to enough people in key states to sway the electoral votes.

[chumdawg]

I'm afraid you are not bolstering your point here, by pointing out how well Kerry did despite the handicaps.

[dude1394]

Heh...

http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=3021

McCain Backs Timeline to Get Obama Out of Iraq
by Scott Ott for ScrappleFace · 7 Comments

(2008-07-20) — Republican presidential nominee John McCain today for the first time said he can now support a timeline to reduce the American presence in Iraq, specifically advocating the withdrawal from Iraq of Democrat presidential nominee Barack Obama, and several battalions of U.S. news anchors and reporters.

“It’s time to bring them home,” said Sen. McCain at a news conference attended by an journalism intern from the Des Moines Register. “The surge has worked, and it’s time to redeploy.”

Sen. McCain said bringing Sen. Obama home would help to ensure that “people in the U.S., who desperately need media attention, will get the help they deserve.”

“Our mainstream media forces are stretched too thin,” he said. “If news should break here in the homeland, who’s going to cover it? We’re vulnerable.”

[jefelump]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

I'm afraid you are not bolstering your point here, by pointing out how well Kerry did despite the handicaps.

I wasn't trying to bolster any earth-shattering point with that comment, other than to respond to your point, which I think is equally unbolstered by your arguments that Obama's gun control/ban support won't matter to the voters.