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Max Power · 11-07-2003, 12:42 AM

I like to give the team 10 games to settle in before I start to try to find trends. THIS year with the wholesale changes - 20 games seems to be more reasonable.

I can't imagine being able to extrapolate anything about this team in less than 20 games so lets remain calm.

Murphy3 · 11-07-2003, 12:45 AM

I think it's too early to talk about trading anyone in particular and/or saying that someone will be a complete bust based upon just six games. But, obviously people had opinions coming into the season as well on certain players and with certain issues.

Of course the team deserves more time..but, there's some things that are never acceptable.

AdamAMMP · 11-07-2003, 12:49 AM

The Spurs started slow last year and look how they finished.

u2sarajevo · 11-07-2003, 12:54 AM

Yeah... it is easy to knee-jerk. We have learned to expect this team to win (and why not?).

Nellie get's alot of blame, unjustly in my opinion. I think he is trying to figure out what is best for his team. I also think that he is missing Nash.

I do wish he would stop the Zone D. That is a bit frustrating at times. But I trust that he knows our players more than I do.

ReDIRKulous · 11-07-2003, 01:11 AM

Bravo U2.

I agree... nellie has an extremely tough job here.

Also, people need to remember not to look at things nellie does and judge them in the short term. I remember a lot of people that bashed Nellie for playing Walt Wiliams at the end of games rather than a defensive player... and Walt took that same kind of three that Antoine walker took tonight... it never paid off in the regular season.. but then look how it paid off in game three of the Sac series.

People wonder why nellie pulls players out when they are getting hot... imo he does this to keep the rest of the team in games. It fosters team play in the regular season. But then he pulls out these stops in playoff games or when it really really matters.

People have to remember that what Nellie does now might not pay off until some later time down the road... but it will be well worth it. Just be patient.

There IS a method in Nellies madness.

AdamAMMP · 11-07-2003, 02:18 AM

anyone else get the odd feeling that Walker could do to us, what Anthony Mason did to the bucks?

EricaLubarsky · 11-07-2003, 02:48 AM

I dont worry about a guy that puts up 14pts 17reb and 7asts.

He's been our only reliable player so far, and he is the team's second assist man.

If we find out at the end of the season that Walker's play makes everyone else less efficient, then we can worry but right now- while we are trying to gel, there is no reason to think he would be a waste of flesh like A. Mason.

bogey · 11-07-2003, 02:49 AM

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Originally posted by: Max Power
I like to give the team 10 games to settle in before I start to try to find trends. THIS year with the wholesale changes - 20 games seems to be more reasonable.

I can't imagine being able to extrapolate anything about this team in less than 20 games so lets remain calm.

Excellent topic and a great point.

Murphy3 · 11-07-2003, 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by: AdamAMMP
anyone else get the odd feeling that Walker could do to us, what Anthony Mason did to the bucks?

There's always that chance Adam.
However, Walker has done a great job for the most part since he's been here. Last night, well, he could have had one of the better games in the history of the Mavs franchise except for the fact that he turned the ball over 9-10 times and shot poorly. That kinda put a damper on what could have been a great evening for him but turned into a below average effort.

But, he's allowed to have a bad game. I'm afraid of what he could possibly do to the team with his style of play (if he tries to take too much control like he did in Boston and ends up playing out of control). However, he's said all the right things since coming to dallas and he's done most of the right things.

Give credit where credit's due.

Male30Dan · 11-07-2003, 12:17 PM

And place blame where blame's due... I agree with most of what you said Murph, but man... When the passes arent landing, be intelligent enough to stop trying so hard... I just unfortunately see a lot of players being unintelligent out there... Just not thinking... Another thing I hated to see with Walker was him making a TERRIBLE pass, beating himself up about it, and then coming back and doing the same thing again... LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES... Now dont get me wrong... He has been probably our most consistent weapon, but man, you have got to know when it just isnt your night to handle the ball, and when to just post up and not try to be Stockton...

superheadcat · 11-07-2003, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by: Max Power
I like to give the team 10 games to settle in before I start to try to find trends. THIS year with the wholesale changes - 20 games seems to be more reasonable.

I can't imagine being able to extrapolate anything about this team in less than 20 games so lets remain calm.

from mike fisher and david lord:
"‘Please,’ said a Mavs executive to us as we watched the final minutes of the Toronto loss together, ‘give us about 30 games to get it together.’ "

superheadcat · 11-07-2003, 12:18 PM

double post

Murphy3 · 11-07-2003, 12:33 PM

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And place blame where blame's due... I agree with most of what you said Murph, but man... When the passes arent landing, be intelligent enough to stop trying so hard... I just unfortunately see a lot of players being unintelligent out there... Just not thinking... Another thing I hated to see with Walker was him making a TERRIBLE pass, beating himself up about it, and then coming back and doing the same thing again... LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES... Now dont get me wrong... He has been probably our most consistent weapon, but man, you have got to know when it just isnt your night to handle the ball, and when to just post up and not try to be Stockton...

Of course..I had my share of criticism for Walker and other players last night. But, I'm careful to separate it and look at it individually and not confuse that with what he's done on the whole. (not saying that you're not doing the same). I'm just giving the guy the benefit of the doubt last night. But, I do worry about some of his bad habits creaking back in to his game.

We'll just have to wait and see.

Male30Dan · 11-07-2003, 12:41 PM

Oh I know what you mean... You can NEVER just look at a guy on one night, see his faults, call him out and request a trade... If you did, you would certainly lose my respect and fall victim to the KNEE-JERK group of trolls that populate our board... I completely agree Murph... I also have been giving him the benefit of the doubt; however, there comes a time when he has to learn from his mistakes... He cant just say, OK, ITS A BAD NIGHT PASSING TONIGHT, and then come back the next night and commit 9 turnovers again... He has to know that if he gets in an early funk with two quick turnovers, that he needs to start doing other things... Like you said... We will just have to wait and see if those "bad habits" come back... Man I hope not!

FineCubanCigar · 11-07-2003, 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by: Murphy3
I think it's too early to talk about trading anyone in particular and/or saying that someone will be a complete bust based upon just six games. But, obviously people had opinions coming into the season as well on certain players and with certain issues.

Of course the team deserves more time..but, there's some things that are never acceptable.

yeah, and some of those never acceptable things including our proclaimed "pointforward" turning the ball over nine times. Walker almost had a triple double, in rebounds, points, and turnovers! Thats basically giving a team 10 points considering our oponents shooting percentage!

FineCubanCigar · 11-07-2003, 12:44 PM

i hope Walker doesn't regress, we just have to wait and see . . . if we are in the top 5 come the all-star break, i think it could be considered a succesfull begining.

jayC · 11-07-2003, 01:28 PM

6 games in and already we are in a whole. I mean come on the spurs almost beat the lakers despite Duncan and Parker are being out. Would you really raise the banner if we were 6-0 at this point I hope not. We haven't even played a quarter fof our games settle down. Walker, Jamison, Dirk, Nash, and Finley will be fine. Mason screwed the bucks because he sucked walker doesn't suck. Its not how you start its how you finish.

MavsFanatik33 · 11-07-2003, 03:04 PM

I agree with most of you all, it will take some time. We won't win 60 like last year, we won't have home court advantage like last year, but we'll be better in the playoffs than last year, and that's what matters most. I think we need to talk reasonable Mavs talk and not bashing because we all know this Mavs play as of last is temporary.

kingrex · 11-07-2003, 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by: MavsFanatik33
I agree with most of you all, it will take some time. We won't win 60 like last year, we won't have home court advantage like last year, but we'll be better in the playoffs than last year, and that's what matters most. I think we need to talk reasonable Mavs talk and not bashing because we all know this Mavs play as of last is temporary.

I like this point alot. I think the Mavs should take the next 70+ games to prepare for the playoffs, and to a lesser degree worry about their total wins. I know that learning how to win is just as important, but as MavsFanatik points out, it's all about results in the playoffs.

Therefore, I support Max's assertion to wait until 1/4 of the season has been played (20 games) before making any sweeping declarations on any player, coach or the Mavs chances this year.

Outside of that, things like commenting the good and bad of how a player played last game, questioning Nellies gameplan, and such are fair game. IMHO

Dirkenstien · 11-07-2003, 03:55 PM

give them around half a season

Chiwas · 12-05-2003, 12:39 PM

Next Saturday is the deadline, after the game.

MightyToine · 12-05-2003, 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by: Max Power
I like to give the team 10 games to settle in before I start to try to find trends. THIS year with the wholesale changes - 20 games seems to be more reasonable.

I can't imagine being able to extrapolate anything about this team in less than 20 games so lets remain calm.

The team is 12-7 now. 12+7 is 20! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]

We are ALREADY at 20 games!!

LRB · 12-05-2003, 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by: MightyToine

Quote:

Originally posted by: Max Power
I like to give the team 10 games to settle in before I start to try to find trends. THIS year with the wholesale changes - 20 games seems to be more reasonable.

I can't imagine being able to extrapolate anything about this team in less than 20 games so lets remain calm.

The team is 12-7 now. 12+7 is 20! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]

We are ALREADY at 20 games!!

Our next game will be the 20th.

MightyToine · 12-05-2003, 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by: Murphy3

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Originally posted by: AdamAMMP
anyone else get the odd feeling that Walker could do to us, what Anthony Mason did to the bucks?

There's always that chance Adam.
However, Walker has done a great job for the most part since he's been here. Last night, well, he could have had one of the better games in the history of the Mavs franchise except for the fact that he turned the ball over 9-10 times and shot poorly. That kinda put a damper on what could have been a great evening for him but turned into a below average effort.

But, he's allowed to have a bad game. I'm afraid of what he could possibly do to the team with his style of play (if he tries to take too much control like he did in Boston and ends up playing out of control). However, he's said all the right things since coming to dallas and he's done most of the right things.

Give credit where credit's due.

Now I've seen EVERYTHING! Lmao!!!

First off, to even THINK that Walker is going to turn into a THUG like Mason and disrupt EVERYTHING in this franchise(like Mason did) is the most IDIOTIC assumption I've ever seen!!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img]

Second....Hey Murph, Walker had 4...FOUR...4...FOUR Turnovers last night. Where did you see that he got 9-10?? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img]

Lastly, I'm sticking to my prediction that Walker will be convinced by Cuban to opt out after this season in order to re-sign him to a slightly lower deal but with More years added.....

MightyToine · 12-05-2003, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by: FineCubanCigar

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Originally posted by: Murphy3
I think it's too early to talk about trading anyone in particular and/or saying that someone will be a complete bust based upon just six games. But, obviously people had opinions coming into the season as well on certain players and with certain issues.

Of course the team deserves more time..but, there's some things that are never acceptable.

yeah, and some of those never acceptable things including our proclaimed "pointforward" turning the ball over nine times. Walker almost had a triple double, in rebounds, points, and turnovers! Thats basically giving a team 10 points considering our oponents shooting percentage!

Do any of you guys even BOTHER TO READ THE FREAKIN' BOXSCORE??

He had only 4 turnovers tonight!! What part of that don't you people understand??

Mavs Rule · 12-05-2003, 03:56 PM

You might want to read the date that they posted on to clear up your confusion.

MightyToine · 12-05-2003, 08:29 PM

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Originally posted by: Mavs Rule
You might want to read the date that they posted on to clear up your confusion.

Did I mention that I need a vacation....BADLY? [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

Dirkenstien · 12-05-2003, 09:27 PM

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Originally posted by: MightyToine

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Originally posted by: Mavs Rule
You might want to read the date that they posted on to clear up your confusion.

Did I mention that I need a vacation....BADLY? [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

lol, ...very ammusing

DNNF · 12-06-2003, 12:02 PM

can we trade jamison to get NVE back???

sike · 12-06-2003, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by: DNNF
can we trade jamison to get NVE back???

spoutings like these should not be looked upon too well by the cow family elder: cow=bogey![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

LRB · 12-06-2003, 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by: DNNF
can we trade jamison to get NVE back???

I'd still rather trade Nellie for NVE.