Glenn Beck in regards to burning the Koran - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

92bDad · 09-07-2010, 05:14 PM

http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2010/09...to-burn-koran/

Hey, what do you know...a point of view from Glenn Beck that most can arguably agree with.

Funny, how once people get past the hate, guys like Glenn Beck turn out to be spot on...but the minute you throw out his name, the haters crawl out with simple hate speech.

Curious to see how we here on DMN will react to his blog regarding the Burn the Koran issue going on in Florida.

GermanDunk · 09-07-2010, 06:00 PM

It´s quite useless to burn ة الشورىبسم الله ال, because it is available on the internet.
The more interesting thing is: How can those dudes afford land in downtown Manhattan

Underdog · 09-07-2010, 06:25 PM

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It´s quite useless to burn ة الشورىبسم الله ال, because it is available on the internet.
The more interesting thing is: How can those dudes afford land in downtown Manhattan

Duh, the Jews gave the Muslims tons of money to attack the Twin Towers at behest of the Bilderberg Group to destabilize humanity so the grays can attack us from their base on the dark side of the moon...

rmacomic · 09-07-2010, 08:34 PM

I wonder what the Koran says about burning Glen Beck?

bernardos70 · 09-07-2010, 10:53 PM

What? You finally found something in which Glenn Beck uses common sense. 92bDad, I know you mean no harm, but people with your political ideals scare me. Just like Glenn Beck.

Flacolaco · 09-08-2010, 12:23 AM

Most conservatives I know (including myself) won't even cite Glenn Beck. Or Rush Limbaugh, who mostly just pats himself on the back these days. There's good old common sense-conservatism, and then there's just taking it too far and being obnoxious about it. It's the same way I imagine greasy hippie bleeding heart liberals feel about Olbermann.

92bDad · 09-08-2010, 07:24 AM

Wow, Glenn Beck makes a very good comment and yet some still choose to belittle him.

Now I don't watch ALL the Glenn Beck episodes, but when I do, I find him to be very informative. I find him teaching more than anything else. Specifically History as hardly any other TV source is willing to do. I have yet to see him bring up a point that he does not have a source document for what he is sharing.

I find him to be quite reasonable. He is not a racist, as some try to unfairly push.

Now, I have noticed that those who hate are also not "Racist"...but rather Prejudiced. They pre-judge based on the name "Glenn Beck" or "Rush Limbaugh" or "Tea Party" or "Republican".

Admittedly, I too Pre-Judge based on "Democrat" however, I am not Racist. I have spent the past couple of years trying to hear and even listen to the "Democrats" side, but over and over I find myself standing in difference to the ideology of Democrats.

For some reason, I find that each of us has a brain and can think for ourselves. I find that others do not know what's best of us, but rather it is we the people who are uniquely qualified with the knowledge of our own lives and thus uniquely gifted to make the choices for our own lives.

I also find that with our freedoms, we are gifted to celebrate as well as experience the consequences of our choices. Much like this group on Florida choosing to burn copies of the Koran or these groups pushing to fund and build a Muslim Mosque on or near Ground Zero.

We live in both a glorious world, as well as a Twisted Society...a place where Good is placed at Odds with evil.

Perhaps what we are seeing is a two headed monster that is the result of pride. It takes two to tango, but it will also take two to be humble before we can respect the freedoms of our own choices and thus the tolerance to live as a people with opposing views.

It's rather amusing to witness how people react differently to others, I find that I have learned and become a bit more humble as I listen more and more to Glenn Beck, yet others become more judgmental simply from the perception that is cast via a multitude of media.

I hope, no, I Pray that the Hate will stop and that we become willing to love one another as brother and sister.

ribosoma · 09-08-2010, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by rmacomic

I wonder what the Koran says about burning Glen Beck?

Awesome.

kg_veteran · 09-08-2010, 09:07 AM

Nobody wants to debate issues anymore -- they just want to play the endless game of ad hominem attacks. It's almost become reflexive.

ribosoma · 09-08-2010, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 92bDad

Wow, Glenn Beck makes a very good comment and yet some still choose to belittle him.

Now I don't watch ALL the Glenn Beck episodes, but when I do, I find him to be very informative. I find him teaching more than anything else. Specifically History as hardly any other TV source is willing to do. I have yet to see him bring up a point that he does not have a source document for what he is sharing.

I find him to be quite reasonable. He is not a racist, as some try to unfairly push.

Now, I have noticed that those who hate are also not "Racist"...but rather Prejudiced. They pre-judge based on the name "Glenn Beck" or "Rush Limbaugh" or "Tea Party" or "Republican".

Admittedly, I too Pre-Judge based on "Democrat" however, I am not Racist. I have spent the past couple of years trying to hear and even listen to the "Democrats" side, but over and over I find myself standing in difference to the ideology of Democrats.

For some reason, I find that each of us has a brain and can think for ourselves. I find that others do not know what's best of us, but rather it is we the people who are uniquely qualified with the knowledge of our own lives and thus uniquely gifted to make the choices for our own lives.

I also find that with our freedoms, we are gifted to celebrate as well as experience the consequences of our choices. Much like this group on Florida choosing to burn copies of the Koran or these groups pushing to fund and build a Muslim Mosque on or near Ground Zero.

We live in both a glorious world, as well as a Twisted Society...a place where Good is placed at Odds with evil.

Perhaps what we are seeing is a two headed monster that is the result of pride. It takes two to tango, but it will also take two to be humble before we can respect the freedoms of our own choices and thus the tolerance to live as a people with opposing views.

It's rather amusing to witness how people react differently to others, I find that I have learned and become a bit more humble as I listen more and more to Glenn Beck, yet others become more judgmental simply from the perception that is cast via a multitude of media.

I hope, no, I Pray that the Hate will stop and that we become willing to love one another as brother and sister.

Usually people who see things in that way tend to see themselves as "Good" and anyone who disagrees with them as "Evil." All you are really doing is defending your thoughts because you are threatened by some other person's thoughts. "What am I without my thoughts and ideas?" This seems to usually lead to fanaticism. Those images and ideas will become your anchor and life will lose its complexity and subtlety.

alexamenos · 09-08-2010, 09:32 AM

Saith Beck:

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Burning the Koran is like burning the flag or the Bible.

Bible, Koran, American Flag....these things are in the same category according to Beck.

Beck is basically an idolator (or an actor playing the role) for whom the American Flag is a sacred object of worship. Government worship...it ain't just for the nominal lefties.

92bDad · 09-08-2010, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ribosoma

Usually people who see things in that way tend to see themselves as "Good" and anyone who disagrees with them as "Evil." All you are really doing is defending your thoughts because you are threatened by some other person's thoughts. "What am I without my thoughts and ideas?" This seems to usually lead to fanaticism. Those images and ideas will become your anchor and life will lose its complexity and subtlety.

Funny I don't see myself as Good or Evil...I am what I am.

I believe that I am a mix of Good and Evil within...no doubt I have my own demons that I battle. I am NOT perfect, neither is anyone else.

I don't believe that Obama the individual is Evil, I however disagree strongly with policies and ideology that he endorses.

All of us are tempted by Evil, perhaps it is disguised and perceived to be good...but who am I to judge? I'm nobody...just a guy living his life.

I do agree, that we each have our own perspectives and beliefs as to what is Good and what is Evil. Most likely we are all right and wrong...again I nor you are perfect.

So what do we collectively do next, so that we are open to listen and respect other view points, while holding true to our inner core beliefs? Is there a set of Core Beliefs that collectively we can agree on? What are they?

Is something trivial like the burning of a symbol something that we can agree on it's action being right or wrong?

ribosoma · 09-08-2010, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 92bDad

Funny I don't see myself as Good or Evil...I am what I am.

I believe that I am a mix of Good and Evil within...no doubt I have my own demons that I battle. I am NOT perfect, neither is anyone else.

I don't believe that Obama the individual is Evil, I however disagree strongly with policies and ideology that he endorses.

All of us are tempted by Evil, perhaps it is disguised and perceived to be good...but who am I to judge? I'm nobody...just a guy living his life.

I do agree, that we each have our own perspectives and beliefs as to what is Good and what is Evil. Most likely we are all right and wrong...again I nor you are perfect.

So what do we collectively do next, so that we are open to listen and respect other view points, while holding true to our inner core beliefs? Is there a set of Core Beliefs that collectively we can agree on? What are they?

Is something trivial like the burning of a symbol something that we can agree on it's action being right or wrong?

Perhaps we can get beyond the dualistic mentality. For myself, when I see a behavior or pattern in someone else that I feel strongly about, I try to understand that there is some projection taking place. Other people are our mirrors. The only thing we can really do to "help" the body politic is to reintegrate our shadow projections, which, in turn, completely shape the way we see the world around us. But, instead, we externalize our inner distortions and the world, in turn, becomes a crazy, chaotic mess. From an esoteric perspective, we are eating where we're sh!tting, and expecting to not get sick. If you dump all of your patterns and garbage into the world, get ready for the confrontation. You wanted a nice, simple, straight-shooting white-guy president, regardless of the fact that he was part of a Wall Street crime family... no worries as long as he is labeled a Conservative and puts on the stage show you like out of your authority figures. So now you get your projected opposite confrontation screaming through your unconscious into reality in the form of a black Socialist (Gawd forbid!!!)... awake yet kiddies? Probably not.

92bDad · 09-08-2010, 02:15 PM

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Kirobaito · 09-08-2010, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 92bDad

Wow, Glenn Beck makes a very good comment and yet some still choose to belittle him.

Now I don't watch ALL the Glenn Beck episodes, but when I do, I find him to be very informative. I find him teaching more than anything else. Specifically History as hardly any other TV source is willing to do. I have yet to see him bring up a point that he does not have a source document for what he is sharing.

The history that Glenn Beck attempts to show is utter crap. He brings on non-historians like David Barton, who have been proven as liars time and time again, as experts. I've been through this, particularly with respect to his civil rights "history," and the guy has no idea what he's talking about.

92bDad · 09-08-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirobaito

The history that Glenn Beck attempts to show is utter crap. He brings on non-historians like David Barton, who have been proven as liars time and time again, as experts. I've been through this, particularly with respect to his civil rights "history," and the guy has no idea what he's talking about.

Thank you for making Ribo's point

bernardos70 · 09-09-2010, 09:57 AM

Glenn Beck Reasonable? I find it hard to believe when he has Nazi Tourette's

AngieO41 · 09-09-2010, 10:52 AM

Glenn Beck is crazy and I don't care if
he ever says anything I agree with. I'll still think he's crazy. I'm pretty sure if y'all agreed with something Obama said you wouldn't put him on a pedastal.
I'm not sure Glenn Beck actually believes what he says. He's an attention whore just like Sarah Palin. They spew out all this garbage and people eat it up. People like them are part of the reason America is so freaking screwed up. Nobody can think for themselves anymore. They have to rely on the morons in this country to tell them what to believe. Yes I'm going on a rant because I absolutely DESPISE this man. DESPISE. I mean seriously, according to this guy, Obama is a muslim Nazi who is friends with terrorists, he's trying to turn the US into some kind of communist place. Not to mention Obama was born in outer space because he's certainly NOT a US citizen. Obama doesn't want us to have any rights whatsoever. Oh, and I guess it's really horrible that the super rich in this country have to pay taxes. Boohoo. So Glenn Beck can choke on his chalk because the guys opinions on EVERYTHING are completely invalid.

92bDad · 09-09-2010, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AngieO41

Glenn Beck is crazy and I don't care if
he ever says anything I agree with. I'll still think he's crazy. I'm pretty sure if y'all agreed with something Obama said you wouldn't put him on a pedastal.
I'm not sure Glenn Beck actually believes what he says. He's an attention whore just like Sarah Palin. They spew out all this garbage and people eat it up. People like them are part of the reason America is so freaking screwed up. Nobody can think for themselves anymore. They have to rely on the morons in this country to tell them what to believe. Yes I'm going on a rant because I absolutely DESPISE this man. DESPISE. I mean seriously, according to this guy, Obama is a muslim Nazi who is friends with terrorists, he's trying to turn the US into some kind of communist place. Not to mention Obama was born in outer space because he's certainly NOT a US citizen. Obama doesn't want us to have any rights whatsoever. Oh, and I guess it's really horrible that the super rich in this country have to pay taxes. Boohoo. So Glenn Beck can choke on his chalk because the guys opinions on EVERYTHING are completely invalid.

Nice to see a reasoned response rather than some lunatic on a rant...

Please when you have an opportunity, back up your view. Where's the proof?

It appears to me that you have moved to this opinion simply because other's have lead you to this conclusion...not Glenn Beck.

Does Glenn Beck go on "Schtick Rants"? Yes, he plays to the fears of those who oppose him. He's making fun of the Lunatic Left and their non-stop manipulation of facts. Heck, Mr. Beck, Gives the left everything they want knowing full well that they couldn't make a point on their own merit.

He also provides rather astute intellect regarding our nation, it's history and for that matter issues around the Globe and the historical significance of past events and leaders.

He jumps around from basic steps for those who may not be ready to grasp highly intellectual thought process, while also diving deep into topics and providing resources for others to go and research for themselves. He likes to provide both sides of a debate...thus allowing us the viewers/listeners to come to our own conclusion.

Unlike some other Left-Stream Media outlets who manipulate stories and commentary in order to influence viewers/listeners to fall in line with the radical left stream agenda.

As for your take on President Obama...please explain why so many on the Left are running from the so-called success that he and the Democrats have claimed over the past 2 years? Bailouts, Medical Coverage...just to name two...Why doesn't the Left build up their so-called success on these issues allowing the people to judge for themselves on election day?

Oh and give Credit to President Obama as election season is here...I understand that he has proposed a Tax Break on Capitol Spending for companies. Hmmmm...this could have been proposed a long time ago, but now that it's election time, could this make him "Appear" more conservative, or will people see through the manipulation and judge he and the Democrats based on their long long long track record?

Perhaps rather than focusing on raising taxes to the wealthy, which already pay more in total Cash than any other demographic combined...perhaps the Government could get it's Spending under control?

Dangit, I got side tracked again...apologies.

Great job Mr. Beck for continuing to provide Americans with the facts and exposing the Slave Masters running this nation. There is a light at the end of the tunnel, and we shall overcome...soon, America will be Free...Free at last!!!

AngieO41 · 09-09-2010, 01:26 PM

92bdad... How about this? I will watch 5 episodes of Glenn Becks show so that I can see completely his ideas an all that. I go to
school and work nights so it may take awhile for me to get to 5 but I'll do it.
As for my opinion about him? It's not shaped by anyone else. I don't watch much tv as it is so therefore my opinion can't really be shaped by many people.
I will have to finish this later as I'm on my phone and in class. I just wanted to tell you that I will watch Glenn Beck and let you know what I think.
My main issue is this, this country is okay with separating everything into left and right. NOBODY can sit together and come to a resolve. If one side does something, the other side loses their mind. Frankly I'm pretty fed up with it. I believe that this problem starts with the radical people in the media like Glenn Beck. Again, I'll check him out so I am able to have a 'true' opinion.

92bDad · 09-09-2010, 05:06 PM

Angie, that's fair...thanks for the tactful response...my apologies for my own knee jerk.

Best wishes on your viewing of Mr. Beck. From my side, I prefer watching him when he gets into his "Teaching" mode...this is where he brings history to life.

On his other rants, I do my best to filter what he puts out there to fuel the Left-Stream and then get to the heart of the issues he brings up.

But, no sweat if you or others don't get into him...there are some radical personalities that I can't stomach (Maddow and Oberman to name two)

Take care and best of success in your studies...Counting my wife, I have three going to school full time in my house. It's interesting to hear about the discussions they get into at school, with other students and with faculty. They are much better and being tactful than I, thus the reason I don't get into Political discussions outside of the Cyber World :-)

Take care!!!

AngieO41 · 09-11-2010, 02:26 PM

I haven't watched any of his shows yet, but I think I'll be able to this coming week.

Since it is Sept 11th I figure I would throw in some opinions about this. Why can't this country move on from what happened? Do we still need to call it 'Ground Zero'? The longer we call it that the longer we have to deal with the silliness of people wanting to burn Korans and making a big stink about a mosque being built. I don't understand how people can say the guy that wants to burn the Koran has every right to do so based on the 1st Amendment but a mosque can't be built two blocks from where the World Trade centers used to be. So that isn't covered under Freedom of Religion?
I think some people need to go out and befriend a muslim and actually see how REAL Muslims live. I was friends with someone close to 3 years before I ever found out he was a Muslim. You know what? He wasn't wearing a turban and walking around saying "Death to America." Shocking I know.
No, I didn't watch any tribute to 9/11 on tv because I sincerely feel that people need to move on. It doesn't mean you have to forget the people who died on that day, but we as a country need to get passed all of this and go on with our lives. Fighting against people who are crazy will get us nowhere. We are giving them EXACTLY what they want. Sometimes I wish this country would realize that we don't have to fight against people for EVERYTHING. Some things are better left alone.

41mvp · 09-11-2010, 04:09 PM

This guy is very stupid.If USA want more terrorists attacks ok.If this guy can think he doesn't do it.Everyone know 11 September is very sad day for Americans.All world know then 11 September is sad time.USA want, war vs. terrorists.But USA win this war?If Glenn Beck will burn the Koran.I am sure this guy will be dead.And America will pay for one stupid man ,huge price.

Male30Dan · 09-11-2010, 05:30 PM

MVP, have you ever met my friend 'Doctor of Biology' during your Polish travels?

dude1394 · 09-11-2010, 07:13 PM

Burning the koran, burning the flag, burning the bible, "piss" christ, draw a mohammad cartoon day...all the same..Crappy, disrespectful actions.

Except one group sorta threatens to cut someones head off for it and means it. Hmm...Guess which one.

rmacomic · 09-11-2010, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Burning the koran, burning the flag, burning the bible, "piss" christ, draw a mohammad cartoon day...all the same..Crappy, disrespectful actions.

Except one group sorta threatens to cut someones head off for it and means it. Hmm...Guess which one.

I have often had the thought "Where do they get off" with this subject. We can't draw a picture of your prophet, but you can behead a reporter and air it on Al-Jazera? The double standard with these guys is unbelievable.

41mvp · 09-12-2010, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Male29Dan

MVP, have you ever met my friend 'Doctor of Biology' during your Polish travels?

No.Your Doctor of Biology is important person.

92bDad · 09-12-2010, 07:49 AM

While I have my thoughts regarding Islam, I understand the way America was founded and thus support the Right to practice Islam, provided it does not cross any U.S. Laws. I believe that there is a law regarding "Murder"

This doesn't mean one can't be a Muslim, it just means that they can not Kill in the name of Allah...it's against the U.S. Law.

The same applies to other faiths...however I currently basically only see one that actively kills world wide in the name of it's faith.

Now as for the Mosque and "Moving On" from 9/11...I first feel that as a society, we need to keep the reality of 9/11 fresh. The best way to move forward is to live in reality and not revert back to pre-9/11 naivety. Do all Muslims want to kill non-Muslims? NO, that is clear and easy to understand. However, it doesn't take a genius to see how Muslims are brought up to hate the west, to hate non-Muslims throughout the world. When I can see Million of people Cheering at the images of 9/11, I see a group of society filled with Hate and taught to hate the moment they come out of the womb.

I feel pity as they have been manipulated. It's alarming as I see a group who are hating as much as early America had a group hating on Blacks...or at least make Pre-Judicial thoughts, words and actions against Blacks that are obviously WRONG.

Thus we have an International Muslim Community making those same hateful beliefs against Americans and Non-Muslims alike.

I ask this to everyone...especially the supporters of building the Mosque on Ground Zero...How would you react if the KKK would propose building a Community Church Center on Ground Zero?

The simple fact is not that Muslims are hated, but rather based on a track record, Muslim and the Nation of Islam is not to be Trusted. There is hope that they can Change this, but it will have to come from the very Muslims of the Middle East...they will have to be vocal about denouncing the "Death" activities that they currently participate in.

Heck, just take a look at one incident where a woman has gone through the court system and is sentenced to be stoned to death because another man looked upon her.

Bottom line, the Nation of Islam and the Nation of America are two worlds that are not compatible. No amount of sugar coating will change what Muslims are taught and called to do.

My friends and my enemies, it is clear, the memory of 9/11 must remain fresh...I Will NEVER FORGET!!!

mcsluggo · 09-13-2010, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Burning the koran, burning the flag, burning the bible, "piss" christ, draw a mohammad cartoon day...all the same..Crappy, disrespectful actions.

Except one group sorta threatens to cut someones head off for it and means it. Hmm...Guess which one.

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Originally Posted by rmacomic

I have often had the thought "Where do they get off" with this subject. We can't draw a picture of your prophet, but you can behead a reporter and air it on Al-Jazera? The double standard with these guys is unbelievable.

dont y'all think you are brushing with broad brushes here? as far as i know, there is no muslim pope speaking for the muslim world, and calling for heads to be sawed off.

instead there are boogar-eating-moron attention-whores here that are calling for koran burnings, and boogar-eating-moron attention-whores "there" (meaning "not here") that are calling for heads to be sawed off.

the difference? America is better. Did you have any question about that before this "debate"? our system is simply superior, for muslims, for christians, for athiests, for people that worsip peekachu on mescaline, whatever. our system is better than "theirs" (the places where people hold up an ak-47 and shout about chopping off heads). Of course it is worse "there", duh!

No?

and the people that use the "they are worse" arguments to justify ANYTHING here are only interested in making things worse HERE, in my opinion.

mcsluggo · 09-13-2010, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 92bDad

While I have my thoughts regarding Islam, I understand the way America was founded and thus support the Right to practice Islam, provided it does not cross any U.S. Laws. I believe that there is a law regarding "Murder"

This doesn't mean one can't be a Muslim, it just means that they can not Kill in the name of Allah...it's against the U.S. Law.

The same applies to other faiths...however I currently basically only see one that actively kills world wide in the name of it's faith.

really? I kinda thought that "faith" was universally the number one reason for killing people. It sucks that this is the case, but it is nonetheless.

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Now as for the Mosque and "Moving On" from 9/11...I first feel that as a society, we need to keep the reality of 9/11 fresh. The best way to move forward is to live in reality and not revert back to pre-9/11 naivety. Do all Muslims want to kill non-Muslims? NO, that is clear and easy to understand. However, it doesn't take a genius to see how Muslims are brought up to hate the west, to hate non-Muslims throughout the world. When I can see Million of people Cheering at the images of 9/11, I see a group of society filled with Hate and taught to hate the moment they come out of the womb.

I feel pity as they have been manipulated. It's alarming as I see a group who are hating as much as early America had a group hating on Blacks...or at least make Pre-Judicial thoughts, words and actions against Blacks that are obviously WRONG.

Thus we have an International Muslim Community making those same hateful beliefs against Americans and Non-Muslims alike.

I ask this to everyone...especially the supporters of building the Mosque on Ground Zero...How would you react if the KKK would propose building a Community Church Center on Ground Zero?

so islam is morally equiv to the kkk? hmmmm.

i think a better example would be "what if the catholics wanted to build a church several blocks away from the Masjid al-Haram in Mecca?" --- although there is nothing inherently "holy" about downtown manhattan to christians, this is probably a better analogy.

the fact remains, the saudis wouldn't let the catholics do this. Why? basically because they suck. Can't we agree that our system is better than the saudi system, and strive to keep ours closer to where it is, and further from the saudi mold?

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The simple fact is not that Muslims are hated, but rather based on a track record, Muslim and the Nation of Islam is not to be Trusted. There is hope that they can Change this, but it will have to come from the very Muslims of the Middle East...they will have to be vocal about denouncing the "Death" activities that they currently participate in.

Heck, just take a look at one incident where a woman has gone through the court system and is sentenced to be stoned to death because another man looked upon her.

Bottom line, the Nation of Islam and the Nation of America are two worlds that are not compatible. No amount of sugar coating will change what Muslims are taught and called to do.

My friends and my enemies, it is clear, the memory of 9/11 must remain fresh...I Will NEVER FORGET!!!

uhm... in general your long posts get more incoherent as they go on, and often eventually culminate in some chant that sounds alot like "death to the infidels" with a kalikov rifle held over your head. ah well.

alexamenos · 09-13-2010, 11:21 AM

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really? I kinda thought that "faith" was universally the number one reason for killing people. It sucks that this is the case, but it is nonetheless.

Is it?

Which "faith" was the reason for starving millions of chinese? Which "faith" was the reason for gassing 6 million jews? Which "faith" was the reason for dropping nuclear bombs on two densely populated cities? Which "faith" was the reason for the Holodomor (a time of starving so bad that cannibalism wasn't much of an option because the deceased were so badly malnourished)? Which "faith" was the reason for whole-sale slaughter by machete in Rwanda?

It's only by stretching the meaning of the term "faith" to absurd limits can one say with a straight face that "faith" is universally the number one reason for killing people. I'd submit that "faith", at least of the judeo-christian and islam varieties, is by and large what informs us that human beings are something more than blank-slate blobs of material who may be molded, or murdered, with impunity.

That is, absent "faith", what is objectively wrong with a little genocide?

Usually Lurkin · 09-13-2010, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mcsluggo

i think a better example would be "what if the catholics wanted to build a church several blocks away from the Masjid al-Haram in Mecca?" --- although there is nothing inherently "holy" about downtown manhattan to christians, this is probably a better analogy.

the fact remains, the saudis wouldn't let the catholics do this. Why? basically because they suck. Can't we agree that our system is better than the saudi system, and strive to keep ours closer to where it is, and further from the saudi mold?.

Actually, I think there is an even better example of Western multicultural morality. Without looking it up, I think that a pope once convinced a group of nuns to build their nunnery somewhere other than the Jewish holy place that they'd had in mind.

I think "keeping our system" would be convincing someone to do the right thing, even though the wrong thing is perfectly legal.

rmacomic · 09-14-2010, 04:35 PM

Back on the original subject of this thread, here is an interesting article about Mr. Beck

92bDad · 09-14-2010, 10:22 PM

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Back on the original subject of this thread, here is an interesting article about Mr. Beck

That's funny, your link goes to an article that appears to be written about President Obama...interesting, entertaining, but no shred of truth to the article, regardless of who it's targeted at.

rmacomic · 09-14-2010, 10:43 PM

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That's funny, your link goes to an article that appears to be written about President Obama...interesting, entertaining, but no shred of truth to the article, regardless of who it's targeted at.

Fixed the link

92bDad · 09-15-2010, 07:18 AM

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Fixed the link

Dang, that's a hell of a video...that's the best side of President Obama...way to go!!!

AngieO41 · 09-15-2010, 01:23 PM

Ok, my time will never be spent watching ANYTHING on Fox News again. Ever. I did watch Glenn Beck Monday night and I was able to watch an entire HOUR listening to him go on some kind of ridiculous rant about how he paid for Sarah Palins hotel room in DC for his "peace speech." I found out that he likes to make money and he's not ashamed of it. Also, he probably gives 95% of his money to charity. I learned nothing from him except that evidently everyone elses' world revolves around him. He said he didn't want to waste "my" time but sorry dude, you did. I don't care that you like to make money, I really don't. I don't care that you paid for 10 hotels across DC for all your peoples and didn't use anyones money but your own. ( That's most likely a bunch of boloney but whatever.) The dude is a self centered piece of crap and I'm not wasting my time listening to his nonsense.

As for Fox News, I have been watching this channel for over an hour. They start talking about an issue that I am REALLY passionate about and they blatantly skewed and LIED about the information they gave out. LIED. I'm pissed off and you have no idea. This isn't news. This isn't objective reporting. This is a network run by a bunch of right wing turds who feel they need to shove fear into anyone watching and we wonder why nothing ever gets done?

Over it.

92bDad · 09-15-2010, 03:50 PM

Angie,

Sorry to hear that you came away with this opinion. It is yours and I respect that.

What's funny, is that when I watch CNN or MSNBC, I find myself getting the same type of anger as you have towards Fox NEWS. I find that CNN and MSNBC have a long standing history of skewing or spinning their message into a Leftist rant based on opinions with little use of facts.

I find Fox NEWS to be a refreshing network with honest and truthful reporting. I also happen to appreciate Glenn Beck...I have no problem with his enjoyment of making money and I congratulate him for his success, as well as his generosity. One could argue that he's the Oprah of News Commentators.

Would anyone argue that Oprah likes to make money...sidebar, her generosity is not quite what some might think it is...typically, she is giving away other people's money, not her own.

I hope that others will continue to search with an open mind and that they will consider the media that they are taking in, with the understanding of the Agenda behind the message.

I happen to enjoy Glenn Beck and Fox News, because I can see how they are Fair and Balanced, meanwhile I dislike the other stations as I see over and over at how they report with a Left-Stream mentality and giving no respect to any opposing view.

But again, Angie, I say thank you for at least taking an effort to watch...best wishes to you and prayer that you don't get manipulated by the Left-Stream and the Racist...excuse me, I mean Prejudiced Democratic Party.

chumdawg · 09-15-2010, 04:12 PM

I watch all three networks (on the same night, usually), and I have done so for many, many years. I am always amused when people try to paint Fox as more centrist/neutral than CNN. It takes a huge disconnection from reality to genuinely believe that.

(And yes, MSNBC is about as far to the left as FOX is to the right.)

AngieO41 · 09-15-2010, 04:37 PM

You know, I was planning on watching Glenn Beck tonight, but decided to watch what else Fox News has to offer. When I saw them blatantly skew information knowing they'd get a reaction out of their audience I honestly was blown away. They weren't reporting anything. In fact, they lady "journalist", I think her name was Meaghn or something, lied in her lead in for the upcoming story. Completely LIED. It really upset me because it was about something that I care a lot about and have written to several senators about so yes, it's a big deal to me that people on Fox News doesn't tell their audience the truth. They only tell people like you stuff to get you mad about issues, they don't tell you anything to educate you.

I will agree with you that people on other networks can be the same way, (Campbell Brown) although I will say they aren't as extreme about it. I never watch MSNBC and I actually prefer CNN. Yes there are people on that network I don't like.

Even though neither you or I will ever change our views on things, I still enjoy these little debates. I know I tend to get a little hotheaded on some things, but my rants aren't as bad as they seem.