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saclare · 02-07-2023, 04:16 PM

Dewayne Dedmon fell off a cliff after his last season with ATL. His rebounding and overall numbers are down mostly due to playing time decreasing, but it seems as if his 3-point shooting has escaped him. If he costs nothing as a buyout pickup to fill the role of backup 5, sure. But I don't give anything of value for him.

Zeus · 02-07-2023, 06:41 PM

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Found this on MMB and this is a big issue after trading DFS especially if they run into the Clippers 1st round

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Tim Hardaway Jr. and Christian Wood are poor fits with the Mavericks' new backcourt. Both are offense-first players, but that is the last thing Dallas needs with Doncic and Irving averaging over 60 points per game combined. The Mavs need 3-and-D wings, an upgrade at the five, and a third playmaker. Without those pieces, Dallas barely raised their chances of escaping the first round of the playoffs, despite having two of the ten All-Star starters on their roster.

The trade market lacks sellers, so finding those missing pieces will be tough and costly. Counting on internal growth from Josh Green and improved play out of Reggie Bullock could cover their 3-and-D needs, but it would force both players to push near 40 minutes a night in the postseason. They will be worn out by the conference finals leaving Dallas one option short.

Don't necessarily agree they would be history in the playoffs because they lost DFS. If the offensive combo of Kyrie, Luka and Wood is so multi sigma great then they can overcome defensive deficiency since offensive variance on the great side is always larger than defensive variance on the great side.

Bryan_Wilson · 02-07-2023, 07:53 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTFqvBQygGg

edit- title of vid is a bit troll, it's full interview and that title covers a small portion of the questions.

Scoobay · 02-07-2023, 08:33 PM

Damn we couldn?t have gotten cam Thomas in the kyrie deal? Lol dude is going off

JustJay · 02-07-2023, 08:44 PM

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Damn we couldn?t have gotten cam Thomas in the kyrie deal? Lol dude is going off

I'm going to say no. When you're getting an All-Star you probably aren't going to get a young talent with potential too.

Besides we don't need another guard.

Melonhead · 02-07-2023, 08:52 PM

I would love to focus on what could have been?what should be. I have to shift my focus on what we have going on here.

JustJay · 02-07-2023, 09:08 PM

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-07-2023, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoobay

Damn we couldn?t have gotten cam Thomas in the kyrie deal? Lol dude is going off

That's Hardy next season...

Scoobay · 02-07-2023, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JustJay

I'm going to say no. When you're getting an All-Star you probably aren't going to get a young talent with potential too.

Besides we don't need another guard.

Yeah just joking but man that?s three 40 pt games in a row?
He?s had other games with just nothing but man it?s his time now good for him

JustJay · 02-07-2023, 10:12 PM

Melonhead · 02-07-2023, 10:42 PM

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Stuff like that is why Cuban won?t step foot in repeater tax

BPo001 · 02-07-2023, 11:45 PM

Is Wiseman that bad? Would he be worth kicking the tires on? Obv he had potential coming out of college, and he has good size.

JustJay · 02-07-2023, 11:50 PM

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Is Wiseman that bad? Would he be worth kicking the tires on? Obv he had potential coming out of college, and he has good size.

The thought behind that post was that he would go to one of the 3 teams with cap space to save the most money. Otherwise a team has to send assets back and they still have to pay taxes on the player(s) they receive.

Twitter seems to think the Spurs will get him.

SMC0007 · 02-08-2023, 12:41 AM

https://youtu.be/eZJCEVAAIBE

Draymond with a solid take on Kyrie trade. Everything except "Cuban will spend money" was accurate and insightful. You can tell he's done a bit of homework.

JustJay · 02-08-2023, 02:34 AM

Just spitballing another idea, because I don't think the Suns/Ayton thing will happen (TBF I didn't think Kyrie would happen)

What about Nurkic for Wood? Wood is younger and better on offense, Nurkic is the better defender. But of course, it's totally fair to assume Portland might not want to do it.

JustJay · 02-08-2023, 02:39 AM

Or I guess it's me overvaluing Nurkic. I have not watched him a lot I admit just looking at stats and his contract.

JustJay · 02-08-2023, 02:42 AM

Speaking of Blazers and also a name that's been mentioned.

Bryan_Wilson · 02-08-2023, 02:58 AM

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Just spitballing another idea, because I don't think the Suns/Ayton thing will happen (TBF I didn't think Kyrie would happen)

What about Nurkic for Wood? Wood is younger and better on offense, Nurkic is the better defender. But of course, it's totally fair to assume Portland might not want to do it.

I mean I'd trade THJ for him in a heart beat.

Assuming they want off his salary though maybe it would be more like Powell and mcgee so they can come off most of that salary with powell's expiring.

My main concern with Nurkic would be his effectiveness in pnr defense. As a rim protector and last line of defense I like him fine but I do think he's best when you have defenders at the point of attack in front of him(we don't currently have) to funnel them to him to contest shots. If we moved wood for wing defenders/shooters and portland wanted thj or powell and mcgee I'd do it myself but not wood for nurkic.

I haven't hardly watched portland at all though. Can't believe he's only 28 still... feels like he's 34.

Edit- I would say Nurkic wouldn't be bad considering I think Maxi would be the defender on the floor in the important closeout minutes so pnr defense wouldn't be as big of an issue then. I prefer going for Poeltl but I have no idea what that would take.

EricaLubarsky · 02-08-2023, 09:12 AM

Something up with Wood.

Either he signed his extension or he knows hes being dealt.

EricaLubarsky · 02-08-2023, 09:21 AM

30 hours remain

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-08-2023, 10:05 AM

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Something up with Wood.

Either he signed his extension or he knows hes being dealt.

Or he knows what he is going to get this summer.

I will say that Cuban is paying 60 million this year in tax after the trade. It would be hard to pay Wood 22-25 mil per while also paying Kyrie and Luka.

Still feel like the problem all stems from whether they can move THJ or not. Moving him would at least open the possibility of keeping Wood this summer.

tap2390 · 02-08-2023, 10:18 AM

I actually think it wouldn't be crazy difficult to move Bertans either this TDL or in the offseason. He only has $5m guaranteed in 2024-25 if he plays less than 75% of the games in 2023-24. He's basically an expiring deal as I think he would probably opt out seeking a longer deal after next season.

THJ is hard to swallow, but at least his salary decreases over the next few years. We really should have let him walk.

The rest of the roster really is palatable (even Javale's stupid deal with a PO). Ultimately up to Kyrie, but I don't see a better situation for him around the league.

SMC0007 · 02-08-2023, 10:20 AM

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Or he knows what he is going to get this summer.

I will say that Cuban is paying 60 million this year in tax after the trade. It would be hard to pay Wood 22-25 mil per while also paying Kyrie and Luka.

Still feel like the problem all stems from whether they can move THJ or not. Moving him would at least open the possibility of keeping Wood this summer.

I hope I'm wrong but I think Kyrie dueces out after this season, so some of this might be moot point

saclare · 02-08-2023, 10:21 AM

Man, tough call on Nurkic. Last time I saw him play, he looked lethargic on defense with slow feet. Of course, he can body with the best of him, but as someone already pointed out, he can be a real liability in the PNR. His lower body just seemed stuck in slow motion and just now looking, he's damn near 300 lbs... I'd rather aim higher in a center for this team.

Melonhead · 02-08-2023, 11:25 AM

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Man, tough call on Nurkic. Last time I saw him play, he looked lethargic on defense with slow feet. Of course, he can body with the best of him, but as someone already pointed out, he can be a real liability in the PNR. His lower body just seemed stuck in slow motion and just now looking, he's damn near 300 lbs... I'd rather aim higher in a center for this team.

Nurkic would frustrate most fans, I watch a lot of blazer games and he just doesnt have it. He should be so much better with his size, but he's not. Slow to react defensively.

JustJay · 02-08-2023, 11:50 AM

EricaLubarsky · 02-08-2023, 11:59 AM

27 hours

Durant now clogging up the moves

The last hour could be crazy, or it could block a lot of other moves. We may be the only big one.

saclare · 02-08-2023, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Nurkic would frustrate most fans, I watch a lot of blazer games and he just doesnt have it. He should be so much better with his size, but he's not. Slow to react defensively.

290 pounds...and may be more than listed.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-08-2023, 12:12 PM

I hate this crap that is always back logged because of one guy. Dunno why that would hamper the Mavs from making moves unless there are 10 plus teams think they can get him.

EricaLubarsky · 02-08-2023, 12:24 PM

Matisse Thybull on our radar

If true, Mavs going hard on anti-vax and conspiracy theory guys. Also guys that could steal minutes from Josh at the 2/3

JustJay · 02-08-2023, 12:27 PM

EricaLubarsky · 02-08-2023, 12:35 PM

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Nets accept our offer despite half the FRPs because they want to "surround Durant"

It would be ironic if they turned down 2x FRPs and expirings and end up trading Durant

Bryan_Wilson · 02-08-2023, 12:59 PM

I think part of why they want mix of good players now on good contracts and future assets is they still owe 2 unprotected picks and pick swaps from frauden deal with houston. They should at least listen to offers and if someone offers a war chest of goods then do it. I don't think they are interested in purely draft capital though even if they were going to trade KD.

JustJay · 02-08-2023, 01:03 PM

Find this hard to believe, unless they're getting KD or something like that.

SMC0007 · 02-08-2023, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Matisse Thybull on our radar

If true, Mavs going hard on anti-vax and conspiracy theory guys. Also guys that could steal minutes from Josh at the 2/3

Kyrie refusing the vax was a great call. Not so sure about ANY stances Mattise might have because he's insignificant as a player. Def don't want him taking any of our youth minutes.

SMC0007 · 02-08-2023, 01:37 PM

I'd like to see Mo Bamba here...

JustJay · 02-08-2023, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Kyrie refusing the vax was a great call. Not so sure about ANY stances Mattise might have because he's insignificant as a player. Def don't want him taking any of our youth minutes.

I was going to say the same about Kyrie because I didn't get the vax either, but didn't want to get into a debate about it.

BPo001 · 02-08-2023, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

27 hours

Durant now clogging up the moves

The last hour could be crazy, or it could block a lot of other moves. We may be the only big one.

Fuck KD. He made his bed in Brooklyn and he can sleep in it. He wanted Kyrie and Harden, the owner got them both, and now they are gone. Tired of these entitled athletes forcing their way out of places after GM/owners mortgage the future for them.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-08-2023, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Nets accept our offer despite half the FRPs because they want to "surround Durant"

It would be ironic if they turned down 2x FRPs and expirings and end up trading Durant

That's why you strike when the iron is hot. It's pretty much known in the NBA that every team wants to deal with Brooklyn because they make the worst deals.

purplefrog · 02-08-2023, 03:08 PM

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I'd like to see Mo Bamba here...

Me too. I bet the Magic would want a first round pick or one of our young guns. I would consider a first rounder. I would think about Jaden, but the idea of trading Josh gives me heartburn.