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02-25-2004, 09:35 PM
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How would you rate these former players?
A lot of players have played for the Mavs during the past few years. How would you rate these players in terms of contribution to the Mavs’ success? Where did Cuban go wrong, where was he right on target?
The following ratings are based purely on my own subjective perception not on any numbers. 10=”Mavs’ success unthinkable without him” 0=”Didn’t make a difference whatsoever” 8 Nick Van Exel: Denver--Dallas--Golden State 7 Greg Buckner: --Dallas--Philadelphia Adrian Griffin: Boston--Dallas--Houston Gary Trent: Toronto--Dallas--Minnesota 6 Raja Bell: Philadelphia--Dallas--Utah Juwan Howard: Washington--Dallas--Denver Raef LaFrentz: Denver--Dallas--Boston Calvin Booth: Washington--Dallas--Seattle Walt Williams: Houston--Dallas-- 5 Christian Laettner: Detroit--Dallas--Washington Howard Eisley: Utah--Dallas--New York Avery Johnson: Denver--Dallas--Golden State 4 Hubert Davis: Toronto--Dallas--Washington Courtney Alexander: --Dallas--Washington Johnny Newman: New Jersey--Dallas-- 3 Evan Eschmeyer: New Jersey--Dallas--Golden State Tariq Abdul-Wahad: Denver--Dallas-- Donnell Harvey: -- Dallas--Denver 2 Popeye Jones: Washington--Dallas--Golden State Wang Zhizhi: Beijing--Dallas--Los Angeles 1 Dennis Rodman: Chicago--Dallas-- 0 Mamadou N'diaye: Toronto--Dallas--Atlanta Rigadeau: Bologna--Dallas--
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At the end of each practice, the Mavs conduct a competition and ring a bell whenever someone makes 20 of 25 3-point attempts. “He’s always around 23 or 24,” West said. “The bell rings every day.” |
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02-25-2004, 10:42 PM
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RE:How would you rate these former players?
Nick was great while he was here and helped take this franchise to places they hadn't been in years. I don't know where we would be without him, especially considering that nearly half the guys on this team were acquired for him.
Raef LaFrentz would probably be next because he was also a key member on one of the best Mavs teams ever. I never thought he was used correctly in his time here, but he had moments where I really thought he could be one of the best centers in the league. Juwan Howard has to be in the mix here as well. I thought Juwan was a real pro in Dallas (even though I didn't think he was utilized correctly either), and was the central figure in assembling this team. His contract made it possible for our Mavs to build up the talent around our Big Three. I thought Avery was huge in Dallas. HIs leadership and fire were greatly needed, and are currently sorely missed. I hope he returns to Dallas very soon in some capacity. Raja, Griff, Buck, Booth, Walt, Trent, Hubert, Popeye, and Newman were all key glue guys who tried to do the dirty work to help this team take the next step. Their contributions haven't been forgotten, in my mind. To me, they were simply precursors to Josh Howard type players. While we have made upgrades in this area, I thought those old guys really symbolized a lot of the things I liked about the Mavs. Laettner and Eisley were the vets who played well in their short time here. For some reason, they remind of Mavs days past where every single player had an outrageous contract...(wait...nevermind [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] ) Then there were the young kids who facilitated trades like Harvey, Thomas, Alexander, etc. I would even throw in the developmental guys like Wang, Rigadeau, and Ndiaye. Abdul-Wahad and Esch were (and are) limited by injuries. They don't count. |
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02-26-2004, 12:30 PM
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RE: How would you rate these former players?
Christian Laettner eventually with other players turned into Antoine Walker and Antawn Jamison so he gots to be up there[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
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02-26-2004, 04:35 PM
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RE:How would you rate these former players?
poor Etan Thomas. Not even mentioned.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]
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02-26-2004, 06:22 PM
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RE: How would you rate these former players?
... and does anyone know that Tariq Abdul Wahed is not yet a former Maverick?
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02-27-2004, 08:44 PM
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RE:How would you rate these former players?
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02-27-2004, 08:56 PM
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I thought he was gone already [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif[/img] If he ever gets back into shape, it will be a tough task for him to find his niche on this team. I thought he had some good moments last year. He probably has to wait until someone else gets injured... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img] the lack of response to this thread clearly shows, no one really wants those players back and that is a good sign. that means we have a better team now than during any of the previous years. the decisions of cuban and nellie aren't that bad after all [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
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02-28-2004, 04:08 AM
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I must admit I'm in no position to rate anyone before the 2001/02 season as I didn't even watch the NBA before that. I'd rate Nick Van Exel at 8, Adrian Griffin a 6, Raef a 4, Walt Williams a 5, AJ a 5 (on leadership alone), Eschemeyer 0, Popeye a 0 as well.
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02-28-2004, 07:23 PM
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RE:How would you rate these former players?
1) nick van exel. A great clutch performer but at the same time he stalled the mavs offense by being the center of it when he was in the game.
2) Raja Bell- provided toughness and clutch baskets in the playoffs. 3) Raef- Overrated to begin with but had his moments. 4)Walt Williams |
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03-03-2004, 03:23 PM
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RE:How would you rate these former players?
As long as TAW stays on the injured list insurance picks up 80% of his salary. The only serious way he costs Cuban money is through the luxury tax.
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03-05-2004, 03:57 PM
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RE:How would you rate these former players?
Does Rigadeau really need to be mentioned?
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03-10-2004, 11:43 AM
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RE:How would you rate these former players?
Hubert Davis was more like a 6
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03-28-2004, 02:42 AM
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RE:How would you rate these former players?
Nick Van Exel: 8
Greg Buckner: 7 Adrian Griffin: 7 Gary Trent: 7 Raja Bell: 7 Juwan Howard: 6 Raef LaFrentz: 6 Calvin Booth: 6 Walt Williams: 6 Howard Eisley: 5 Christian Laettner: 4 Hubert Davis: 4 Courtney Alexander: 4 Avery Johnson: 3 Johnny Newman: 3 Evan Eschmeyer: 2 Tariq Abdul-Wahad: 2 Donnell Harvey: 2 Popeye Jones: 1 Wang Zhizhi: 1 Mamadou N'diaye: 1 |
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03-28-2004, 02:49 AM
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RE:How would you rate these former players?
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