Kevin Martin

[kg_veteran]

Originally Posted by stuportremens

Yes, and his current Defensive Rating is 114 and his defensive win shares is at 0.1 which is godawful.

Roddy's drtg was at 107 last year and 0.8 def win shares, which is bad, too but at least you still expect him to improve, he was just a rookie after all.

18.5 PER / 107 drtg is at least as good as 21.6 PER / 114 drtg as far as overall production is concerned.

Martin doesn't defend. He doesn't pass. He doesn't rebound. He just scores.
He's the definition of a one-dimensional player.

Plus with roddy you can pair him with Kidd agains small combo guards, because he's quick enough to keep up with them. Martin + Kidd against small combos is suicide.

Martin's defensive shortcomings are my only reservation about him, but let's be serious. Are you acquiring Martin to be a defensive stopper? Furthermore, are you expecting Roddy to be a defensive stopper (or even be a really good defender)? If you answer "yes" to either question, then I'd submit that your expectations are unrealistic.

[stuportremens]

Originally Posted by kg_veteran

Martin's defensive shortcomings are my only reservation about him, but let's be serious. Are you acquiring Martin to be a defensive stopper? Furthermore, are you expecting Roddy to be a defensive stopper (or even be a really good defender)? If you answer "yes" to either question, then I'd submit that your expectations are unrealistic.

No, Roddy isn't a defensive stopper.
But he is able to keep up with quick guards (which is important if you also have Kidd on the court) and he has the physical tools to be at least an ok defender and he has already been better than Kevin Martin.

Further, Martin isn't just "not a defensive stopper", he's really, really, really bad. Apart from Steve Nash, it's very difficult to find another "star" player as bad defensively as Kevin Martin. You can mask this in the regular season, but against really good teams in the playoffs? I don't thinks so.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by kg_veteran

Martin's defensive shortcomings are my only reservation about him, but let's be serious. Are you acquiring Martin to be a defensive stopper? Furthermore, are you expecting Roddy to be a defensive stopper (or even be a really good defender)? If you answer "yes" to either question, then I'd submit that your expectations are unrealistic.

I think you are comparing Martin to Jet defensively imo...because at the end of the day, that's who's minutes he'll get..

And there will be a lot of 3guard lineups I expect.