Vince Carter rumor

[Max Power]

Originally posted by: Murphy3
Ultra small ball

PG - Daniels
2G - Carter
SF - Finley
PF - Stack
C - Dirk

Don't even JOKE about it.

[Murphy3]

Originally posted by: Max Power

Don't even JOKE about it.

That lineup might not average 10 assists a game.

[Dirkenstien]

If we are involved in any type of trade for Vince Carter it better bring us back a legitimate center. Whether it be Dampier, Illguskas, Dalembert, I dont care; just get us someone that can play down low. Otherwise move on, find a damn 5 for crying out loud, and ignore the temptation to load up on offense and go through the replica of last season.

[basketball jonessss]

Carter for Walker so fast there is a dust storm in Canada

I can't believe what I'm reading here. Vince is a superstar. If there is any truth to this, you guy should be on cloud nine.

Just because you think this team needs a center you sure don't turn down Vince for a player I would simply put on the IR.

[DubOverdose]

Get Vince, then ship him off for a center

[Hitman]

Lets see....someone mentioned that we have Stackhouse already, right?

But Vince is way better than him, right?

Lets see...in 2002/2003, when he played the full year (unlike this past year when he was out with an injury, Stack

took 17 shots a game, averaged 21. 5 points, 4.5 assists, 3.7 rebounds, and shot 7.4 free throws per game.

Last year, Vin "Sanity"

took 20 shots a game, averaged 22.5 points, 4.8 assists, 4.8 rebounds and took 5.7 free throws per game.

Both are shooting guards from North Carolina, both are 6'6", both are "decent" defensively when they are motivated. Vince is two years younger.

Ummmm...why the hell would we want Vince Carter? Please Madape or AE explain the logic to me.

[EricaLubarsky]

wasn't Vin battling injury last season too? (like every other year of his career?)

Also Vince has a MUCH better FG%

Carter has shot over 45% 4 out of 6 seasons and never shot below 41.7%.
Stackhouse has only shot 45% one time in 11 seasons and has had 3 sub-.400 seasons (two of them in the past three years) while Carter has never shot below 40%

Stackhouse is a career 40.9% shooter (but interestingly enough a 35.3% career playoff shooter)
Carter is a career 44.7% shooter (and 41.5% in the playoffs.)

It's completely true that Stack is a poor man's Vince Carter. Pure and simple.

[Murphy3]

One thing to remember also is that Stack gets to the free throw line almost two more times per game on average. No, this doesn't completely eliminate the discrepancy in shooting, but it does drastically decrease it.

However, Stack turns the ball over much more than vince. I also believe that Vince is a better rebounder and probably a better overall defender. I don't have the stats in front of me, but I'm willing to bet that Vince averages more steals and blocks per game than Stackhouse.

One thing to keep in mind about VC is that he hasn't necessarily shown the ability to take the ball to the rack the in awhile like he did earlier in his career. This has decreased his efficiency the past couple of years...so perhaps this even reduces the gap between the two players even more in terms of efficiency.

Yes, I know that I'm throwing out positives and negatives for each..but oh well.

[V]

Steven A Smith reports Carter wants to go to Dallas but he doubts anything will happen since Dallas can't put together a package of "box office" players to Toronto.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally posted by: V
Steven A Smith reports Carter wants to go to Dallas but he doubts anything will happen since Dallas can't put together a package of "box office" players to Toronto.

Steven A Smith has been right far less than Dartmouth's stock-picking monkey.

[V]

Originally posted by: EricaLubarsky

Steven A Smith has been right far less than Dartmouth's stock-picking monkey.

Are you making a point here or just throwing stones? Smith said he thinks Carter will play in Toronto next year. You think he's wrong?

[PepperTheMavsFan41]

Nah Toronto doesnt have the guts to trade VC15

[EricaLubarsky]

Are you making a point here or just throwing stones? Smith said he thinks Carter will play in Toronto next year. You think he's wrong?

Just throwing stones.

[Jamisonite]

Everyone is comparing VC and Stack and for good reason. Even if VC is better, He makes twice as much as Stack and his contract goes on for 4 more years.

The ONLY way i trade for VC is under the following circumstance

Dallas trades: PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.4 minutes)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 12.4 minutes)
SF Jerry Stackhouse (13.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.0 apg in 29.8 minutes)
Dallas receives: SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -0.4 ppg, -3.3 rpg, and -0.5 apg.

Toronto trades: SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes)
Toronto receives: PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 33 games)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 58 games)
SF Jerry Stackhouse (13.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.0 apg in 26 games)
Change in team outlook: +0.4 ppg, +3.3 rpg, and +0.5 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

OR

Dallas trades: PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.4 minutes)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 12.4 minutes)
SF Jerry Stackhouse (13.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.0 apg in 29.8 minutes)
SG Michael Finley (18.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Dallas receives: SG Jalen Rose (15.5 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -3.5 ppg, -3.8 rpg, and +1.6 apg.

Toronto trades: SG Jalen Rose (15.5 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes)
Toronto receives: PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 33 games)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 58 games)
SF Jerry Stackhouse (13.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.0 apg in 26 games)
SG Michael Finley (18.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 72 games)
Change in team outlook: +3.5 ppg, +3.8 rpg, and -1.6 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

[aexchange]

Originally posted by: Hitman
Lets see....someone mentioned that we have Stackhouse already, right?

But Vince is way better than him, right?

Lets see...in 2002/2003, when he played the full year (unlike this past year when he was out with an injury, Stack

took 17 shots a game, averaged 21. 5 points, 4.5 assists, 3.7 rebounds, and shot 7.4 free throws per game.

Last year, Vin "Sanity"

took 20 shots a game, averaged 22.5 points, 4.8 assists, 4.8 rebounds and took 5.7 free throws per game.

Both are shooting guards from North Carolina, both are 6'6", both are "decent" defensively when they are motivated. Vince is two years younger.

Ummmm...why the hell would we want Vince Carter? Please Madape or AE explain the logic to me.

he also faced constant double and triple teams. you put him on this team, pair him with dirk, you have a complete offensive nightmare for opposing teams. carter is more explosive than anyone we have on our team right now. bar none. he also wouldn't be counted on to do everything here in dallas like he is in toronto. in nellie's guard friendly system, he would easily put up 20 pts, 5 boards, 5 assists a game.

he also makes finley and stackhouse completely expendable. even howard. if you can get a VC for howard, walker, and trash you have to pull the trigger.

[aexchange]

Originally posted by: Jamisonite
Everyone is comparing VC and Stack and for good reason. Even if VC is better, He makes twice as much as Stack and his contract goes on for 4 more years.

Dallas trades: PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.4 minutes)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 12.4 minutes)
SF Jerry Stackhouse (13.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.0 apg in 29.8 minutes)
SG Michael Finley (18.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Dallas receives: SG Jalen Rose (15.5 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -3.5 ppg, -3.8 rpg, and +1.6 apg.

Toronto trades: SG Jalen Rose (15.5 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes)
Toronto receives: PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 33 games)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 58 games)
SF Jerry Stackhouse (13.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.0 apg in 26 games)
SG Michael Finley (18.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 72 games)
Change in team outlook: +3.5 ppg, +3.8 rpg, and -1.6 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

i don't mind this trade, although i'd still like an energy player. if we could add in fortson and take back junk yard dog, i think this would be a good deal. you'd get a bigger better version of eddie, you can slide jalen over to the PG spot, you and you still have offensive mismatches all over the floor.

rose
daniels
carter
nowitzki
your momma

whoever at the 5 spot. our rebounding would be adequate and takes a hit, but otherwise i wouldn't be terribly opposed to getting that deal.

[NewMexiMav]

The VC proponents argue that you never pass up on a player with VC's talent, whether its a "fit" for the Mavs or not. Especially if you can get him for Walker and change. They also argue that VC then becomes a valuable bargaining chip to obtain that elusive "fit" player: a starting 5.

Well, look at Toronto's roster. Don't you think they'd like a decent 5 to start so Bosh can play the 4? If VC is so valuable, why doesn't Toronto just trade him for Dampier or the like?

[aexchange]

Originally posted by: NewMexiMav
The VC proponents argue that you never pass up on a player with VC's talent, whether its a "fit" for the Mavs or not. Especially if you can get him for Walker and change. They also argue that VC then becomes a valuable bargaining chip to obtain that elusive "fit" player: a starting 5.

Well, look at Toronto's roster. Don't you think they'd like a decent 5 to start so Bosh can play the 4? If VC is so valuable, why doesn't Toronto just trade him for Dampier or the like?

b/c dampier is a complete scrub. and they know better.

[nowitzki_prophecy]

A scrub who's averaged 12 boards a game last year and 53 % from the field on 32 minutes of playing time.

[dalmations202]

Originally posted by: NewMexiMav
The VC proponents argue that you never pass up on a player with VC's talent, whether its a "fit" for the Mavs or not. Especially if you can get him for Walker and change. They also argue that VC then becomes a valuable bargaining chip to obtain that elusive "fit" player: a starting 5.

Well, look at Toronto's roster. Don't you think they'd like a decent 5 to start so Bosh can play the 4? If VC is so valuable, why doesn't Toronto just trade him for Dampier or the like?

Don't be surprised if they don't trade him to Cleveland for Ilgaukas. Especially if they could get Big Z to sign an extension or somesuch. Toronto with Bosh at the 4 and Big Z at the 5 become a better team. Cleveland with LBJ and VC have enough offense then, that Battie and Diop might be able to make them pretty descent as well.

IMO, Cleveland would prefer to use Big Z for a stud PF instead of VC, but it could happen.

[knowitall]

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[knowitall]

every gm in the league knows dallas is vulnerable and easily fleeced.

[robattacks5]

I would love to see Vince Carter in a Dallas uniform.

[endtroducing]

quite simply, if carter, dirk, stackhouse and daniels are in your starting line-up...you could throw earl boykins in at center and win 50 games.

[LordOfTheMavs]

Originally posted by: endtroducing
quite simply, if carter, dirk, stackhouse and daniels are in your starting line-up...you could throw earl boykins in at center and win 50 games.

Um, maybe if the game is first one to a hundred, or two-ball-indoor-basketball. I doubt you could win many 'real' basketball games with that lineup.

That would be one kick ass fantasy league lineup. I think my 12 year old nephew had that lineup last year and almost won his league.

[endtroducing]

they'd be the greatest offensive team in history...I mean, seriously, throw any one of the guys we have at center and it's fine. last year's playoff roster was no better.

[LordOfTheMavs]

Sorry, that lineup does not get my Mavs pants all happy. Rumors of Vince Carter coming to Dallas just make me groan and wonder what the HELL the Mavs are doing anyway. What is thier philosophy? They need a vet PG and a Center. What the hell are they doing flirting with Vince Carter. This this same crap they pulled last year.

I know the Nash thing really threw any plans they had out the window, but damn it - Vince-freaking-Carter!!! It's like Cubes gets up every morning and randomly picks a guy to go after who would most not help the Mavericks get better as a team. NVE was luxury, Raef was a puss, Jamison was the most extravagantly talented 6th man ever, Walker was #$@#$%.

SOMEBODY NAME ME ONE DAMN AQUISITION THAT DIDN'T COME FROM THE DRAFT THAT HAS MADE THIS TEAM BETTER UNDER CUBES.

Vince-freaking-Carter - give me a freaking break. I'm not falling for this crap again this summer.

[Poindexter Einstein]

Originally posted by: LordOfTheMavs
Vince-freaking-Carter - give me a freaking break. I'm not falling for this crap again this summer.

Okay. See ya around. Feel free to come back when you get over the pouting stuff.

[grndmstr_c]

All this Vince Carter hating actually gives me some hope that there might be something to the rumors. I mean, if so many people here don't recognize what a player he is, maybe others outside of the Mavs organization are similarly blind and will want to trade him to us.

[twelli]

Class of 1998

Nowitzki, LaFrentz, Jamison, Carter

next in line: Pierce?

[Poindexter Einstein]

Nope. Next in line will be Nazr Mohammd, their REAL target on the Knicks (not KT).

Remember - if, and only if it happens, that is [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] - you heard it here FIRST.

[Evilmav2]

Stinking Dog Turd

Nazr Mohammed is a fat, wobbling, animated tub of turd crap. I have watched that underachieving, worthless spare throw around his out of shape, 6-9 frame since he played for Kentucky, and I will be very, very angry and very, very unhappy if he ever wins the privilege of donning the hallowed Black and Blue jersey of our Dallas Mavericks...

[Poindexter Einstein]

Okay, quit mincing words....tell us what you REALLLLLLLLLLY think!!

[Mavs Rule]

Fri, July 16, 2004


Rumour off the Mark

MAVS OWNER SAYS HE HAS NOT TALKED TO RAPS ABOUT VINCE

By STEVE BUFFERY, TORONTO SUN



THE OWNER of the Dallas Mavericks poured cold water on the hot Vince Carter trade rumour yesterday. According to published reports, a three-way deal between the Raptors, Mavericks and New York Knicks is brewing that ultimately would send Carter to Texas.

But there is one stumbling block. Mavericks owner Mark Cuban indicated yesterday that no such deal is brewing.

"I have not spoken to the Raptors," Cuban told the Toronto Sun last night, via e-mail.

According to a report, the Mavericks were looking to send Antoine Walker to New York and the Knicks would send a combination of players to Toronto, with the names Shandon Anderson, Kurt Thomas and Dikembe Mutombo mentioned.

Mutombo would certainly fill the need for an experienced big man, which the Raptors so desperately need to spell off, and mentor, first-round draft pick Rafael Araujo.

Babcock told reporters on Wednesday that he wants Carter to play in Toronto this season and is not actively attempting to trade him, although he did admit that he has talked to many teams about various possible moves.

Carter, who reportedly is disgruntled because he was not consulted prior to the Raptors hiring Babcock and new head coach Sam Mitchell this summer, is still on board for his annual charity all-star game, to be on July 30 at the Air Canada Centre. The game -- which will feature Toronto's Jamaal Magloire, of the New Orleans Hornets, the Raptors' Jalen Rose and 2004 NBA sixth man of the year Antawn Jamison -- gained three more participants yesterday with the addition of newly acquired Raptors point guard Rafer Alston, Philadelphia 76ers forward Kenny Thomas and Boston Celtics guard Chucky Atkins.

[uberfan]

Originally posted by: Poindexter Einstein
Nope. Next in line will be Nazr Mohammd, their REAL target on the Knicks (not KT).

Remember - if, and only if it happens, that is [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] - you heard it here FIRST.

Nope, I have been posting that one on here and other boards for weeks. Been blasted about it, too.

Nazr, Scot Pollard, and Diop are the types of players that Donnie hinted about yesterday.

As to Nazr, he would be my first choice on this list. There is a reason that Zeke has not been shopping him but has been throwing out KT and Mutombo out in trade scenarios.

And for those that are concerned that Dampier will drop back in production from last year once he gets a bigger contract, well Nazr solves that problem. He is signed for 2 more years at a reasonable contract (especially after this offseason) is 26 years old, and provides the kind of production we need for at least 20 minutes a game in a rotation with our other centers.

Mavs may have to wait until Dampier is settled somewhere before the next Mavs deal gets done.

Atlanta is supposedly talking to him now starting at $9mm per.

[Max Power]

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...=tsn&type=lgns

For a long time, the obstacle to trading Raptors SG Vince Carter was his popularity. The fear was that, if the team traded Carter, attendance would plummet and the franchise eventually would have to move. Now, attendance is a concern even with Carter, whose popularity is at an all-time low--the Raptors drew a franchise-low 13,863 fans for a game earlier this month; Carter has been booed at home, and a poll by The Globe and Mail asking whether the team should trade Carter tallied 949-146 in favor of a deal at one point. For the Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment group, which owns the Raptors and NHL's Maple Leafs, the timing to move Carter is perfect. Getting rid of SG Jalen Rose and his $47 million over three years along with Carter would be a nice bonus. The ownership group is losing massive revenue from the NHL lockout and would like to pare its NBA payroll. . . .