Would a star free agent ever come here? - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Windmill360 · 07-05-2012, 02:00 PM

Who was the last big name/star free agent to ever play in a city outside of LA, South Florida, New York, Chicago?

Nash...

conjurer · 07-05-2012, 02:11 PM

Probably not, unless they are born and grew up here... (SCNR)

LonghornDub · 07-05-2012, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by conjurer

Probably not, unless they are born and grew up here... (SCNR)

Too soon.

dude1394 · 07-05-2012, 02:44 PM

It's a tough question. They just don't move that much when,they are good. Most just get resigned or traded. Only recently have you seen the Carmelo game all over. You can trade me but I won't sign there. I would sort of like to see that challenged.

Okay...well trade you to x, they'll have virus rights and you can give up 20mill or so to move, you bad, jump.

markus1234 · 07-05-2012, 03:14 PM

1st of all the lockout was a waste of time. Nothing has changed (maybe in the future).

And maybe i am wrong but the NBA seemed much more balanced when Dirk entered the league...right now it is predictable as hell. OKC vs. MIA...for the next 5yrs or so. Too many all-NBA guys are on the same team.

rabbitproof · 07-05-2012, 03:16 PM

History says hell no.

Murphy3 · 07-05-2012, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by markus1234

1st of all the lockout was a waste of time. Nothing has changed (maybe in the future).

And maybe i am wrong but the NBA seemed much more balanced when Dirk entered the league...right now it is predictable as hell. OKC vs. MIA...for the next 5yrs or so.

Well, the NBA wasn't that far removed from Jordan winning a title whenever he actually decided to play basketball.. So yeah, it was pretty damn balanced shortly before Dirk came in. Then you had some Lakers dominance..Spurs dominance..

oilfieldtrash · 07-05-2012, 03:37 PM

Cuban thinks so. He's even betting another year of dry powder on it.

clutch#41 · 07-05-2012, 03:43 PM

the cuban from a few years ago who was wheeling and dealing id say any star would come here. now i dont see it. might as well start rebuilding now. im good with it.

Murphy3 · 07-05-2012, 03:44 PM

Honestly, I don't think the Mavs are looked at that favorably right now by players around the league because of the way they broke up the championship team... that and it's Dirk, Marion and a bunch of scrubs.

clutch#41 · 07-05-2012, 03:53 PM

does anybody else think that cuban might be running a little low on cash?

Dnowit41 · 07-05-2012, 04:08 PM

Next season is gonna be painful. Real painful.

EricaLubarsky · 07-05-2012, 06:12 PM

Only way star free agents move is extra money. Teams usually give their guys enough that they can't be topped. Redd was low-balled. Nash was low-balled. There are reports that we offered deron less than max and couldn't compete with my in raises and years anyway.

All things being equal? Perhaps but it's rare. Guys taking less to stay here? Extremely rare? Guys COMING here for less? Unheard of.

Windmill360 · 07-05-2012, 06:23 PM

So then why the hell are we keeping our powder dry for Sammy superstar? The only way we're going to get back to the top is to build it through trades or grow it from a seed.

Re-Dirk-ulous · 07-05-2012, 06:49 PM

Not even a washed-up superstar would wanna sign here

rabbitproof · 07-05-2012, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by clutch#41

does anybody else think that cuban might be running a little low on cash?

Makes you wonder how he did with the recession?

Hopefully better than he did with the FB stock.

ibivibiv · 07-05-2012, 07:33 PM

No, I don't think we can attract a 'star' just yet, I know the one title puffed up egos for a bit but really we are still a second tier team. We need to treat big FA's as a plan B. we should work on honing on prior patterns of success. Trades and taking chances. Look at Nash and dirk, they weren't anything amazing when we got them but we took a chance on potential. Build on those types of successes.

mavsjunkie · 07-05-2012, 07:42 PM

Yesterday I was laughed at when I suggested this. Just look through our history, it proves no one wants to either come here, or doesn't think Dirk is good enough to help them win, although Dirk has proven it.

Now that Mark has blown up the team, people want out.

Murphy3 · 07-05-2012, 08:01 PM

The Mavs haven't really had a combination of being an extremely competitive team and having the cap space available all that often. I don't think there's all that much evidence to go on other than this year.. a year after they had actually decided that tyson chandler wasn't the type of free agent that they'd like to spend money on.

Windmill360 · 07-05-2012, 08:05 PM

Its not that they dont think dirk is any good. I think they admire dirk a lot and respect him. But i thunk Fish also hit on something where he said Dirk is not part of "da Club". Most of these stars grew up knowing eachother playing AAU ball and whatnot. Dirk was in the German army. Dirk doesnt go out and socialize with these guys during the summer, he spends his time in Germany or elsewhere. Outside of basketball Dirk watches Wimbledon. Nothing wrong with any of the above, but its not what attracts athletes from our culture.

Murphy3 · 07-05-2012, 08:07 PM

I don't really buy into the not in da club thing.

LRB · 07-06-2012, 01:24 AM

What superstar in their right mind would want to come to the current train wreck that is the Dallas Mavs. Especially when they'd have to do so for less money that staying where they are now, or the same money as going to a more competitive team. Dirk is great now, but will soon be declining. Marion is very good, but declining. The rest of the team would be hard pressed to beat some D league rosters. We'll probably be a lottery team or at best a very low seed that will be outed in the 1st round this coming year. And Maverick management has proven to be completely clueless on getting quality players added to the roster since the championship. We have virtually no tradable assests and we draft like crap even if we get a decently high draft pick. In fact we'd probably trade a top 10 pick for 4 forth round picks and a snow cone machine.

Dtownsfinest · 07-06-2012, 01:32 AM

You have to ask yourself what 1st tier free agent has ever come to the city of Dallas? Do we have to go back as far as Deion?

I love Dallas as a city and i'm sure more people would if they visited him from another city. But it just doesn't compare in regards to NY and LA in regards to entertainment. Its going to have to take a special player to want to play here. Someone like a Kevin Durant who clearly doesn't mind playing in Oklahoma or a Dirk Nowitzki. Not many of those guys out there.

Dtownsfinest · 07-06-2012, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

Its not that they dont think dirk is any good. I think they admire dirk a lot and respect him. But i thunk Fish also hit on something where he said Dirk is not part of "da Club". Most of these stars grew up knowing eachother playing AAU ball and whatnot. Dirk was in the German army. Dirk doesnt go out and socialize with these guys during the summer, he spends his time in Germany or elsewhere. Outside of basketball Dirk watches Wimbledon. Nothing wrong with any of the above, but its not what attracts athletes from our culture.

This a huge underrated part of the "problem". There's a core of guys that like playing with each other there is no one on this roster who is apart of that culture.

JeffViggiano · 07-06-2012, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ibivibiv

No, I don't think we can attract a 'star' just yet, I know the one title puffed up egos for a bit but really we are still a second tier team. We need to treat big FA's as a plan B. we should work on honing on prior patterns of success. Trades and taking chances. Look at Nash and dirk, they weren't anything amazing when we got them but we took a chance on potential. Build on those types of successes.

is that so easy??? no man...that's our big problem.

He15man · 07-06-2012, 05:20 AM

I don't think its so much the city as its the roster.

The big free agents want to win a championship or make a lot of money. These guys see Dallas and they don't see a championship caliber roster like they do in Miami or LA. They don't see a huge contract like they do in Brookyn.

It's not the city so much as its the $$$ and the roster.

Budapest Maverick · 07-06-2012, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

You have to ask yourself what 1st tier free agent has ever come to the city of Dallas? Do we have to go back as far as Deion?

I love Dallas as a city and i'm sure more people would if they visited him from another city. But it just doesn't compare in regards to NY and LA in regards to entertainment. Its going to have to take a special player to want to play here. Someone like a Kevin Durant who clearly doesn't mind playing in Oklahoma or a Dirk Nowitzki. Not many of those guys out there.

But there will be times when the Los-Angeles and New-York based teams will be set, or even successfull at the moment, and there still will be available top tier talent, that can't go there. You don't necessarily have to chase a top FA all the time obviously, but if you can create cap space, you try it every time. It's not like we're gonna do this every year, this was the first time Cuban tried it in the last 10 years. But you gotta try it, especially when your star player is 34 years old. It's a no brainer, really. Gotta find that next guy, because you won't ever win in this league without him, or maybe once in every 30 years, like the Pistons did, but maybe they are the only team in the history of the NBA who won it without one? They're certainly the only one since the early 80's, so the last 30 years.

stuportremens · 07-06-2012, 07:36 AM

The problem is that you usually need a guy of Dirk's caliber to win a championship.

History says that players of that caliber usually don't move to other teams and if they do so (like Kareem, Shaq, Lebron), they go to the "glamour teams".

For the Mavs, that means they have to draft this type of player or they won't get him. And if they have one, they need to maximize this opportunity, because it might be a long time until they get the next one.

And that's where Cuban's strategy was extremely stupid: you just don't take unnecessary risks which can result in wasting some of the remaining years of Dirk's prime.

When they decided to let Chandler go, I thought that they had some kind of absolute guarantee from Deron that he was going to sign in Dallas no matter what. Turns out they just had a 50% or less chance to get him. And now the rest of Dirks prime is wasted. Great job.

It took the mavs about 20 years to get a first-tier superstar. How long will it take till they luck into the next one?

nowhereman · 07-09-2012, 02:57 PM

Ugh

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Bruce Arthur ‏@bruce_arthur
If Dwight Howard goes to Brooklyn, nine of the 12 members of the 2008 Olympic team will play in New York, LA, or Miami.

iella · 07-09-2012, 03:02 PM

What this mean is that now, 8 of the 12 members of the 2008 Olympic team play in New York, LA, or Miami? 67% ain't no joke.

I hope you're happy, David Stern.

Scott McGuire · 07-09-2012, 03:14 PM

I bet those 3 guys named Durant, Westbrook, and Harden are going to be conspiring about how to force their way onto the same team during the whole London Olympics.

I'd also watch to see if they recruit anyone from Spain during the US-Spain game.

CanadianMavsFan · 07-09-2012, 03:33 PM

NBA is just becoming disgusting a league that had so much promise only a few years ago has turned ugly ever since the culmination of the Boston big three. Teams don't rebuild like they used to, instead great players complain once they are drafted and then force their way onto super teams.

Hell, Kevin Love is already starting now with the Wolves. How long before he joins Chicago, LA, New York, or Miami in order to reduce what parity is left in the NBA? This is not a good product folks.

mac222b · 07-09-2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadianMavsFan

NBA is just becoming disgusting a league that had so much promise only a few years ago has turned ugly ever since the culmination of the Boston big three. Teams don't rebuild like they used to, instead great players complain once they are drafted and then force their way onto super teams.

Hell, Kevin Love is already starting now with the Wolves. How long before he joins Chicago, LA, New York, or Miami in order to reduce what parity is left in the NBA? This is not a good product folks.

Love to LA for Gasol will be the next big rumour

nowhereman · 07-09-2012, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Love to LA for Gasol will be the next big rumour

Minnesota screwed itself over by stiffing Love on his contract extension. Won't be surprised at all when he eventually bolts in free agency or attracts Melo style trade drama.

mac222b · 07-09-2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by nowhereman

Minnesota screwed itself over by stiffing Love on his contract extension. Won't be surprised at all when he eventually bolts in free agency or attracts Melo style trade drama.

That was one of the strangest decisions, or non-decisions, of recent years.

Murphy3 · 07-09-2012, 03:57 PM

Shawn Bradley.. anyone? He's still tall. He's not really old yet. I suppose he's probably about a year or so older than Kidd and probably equally as productive at this point.. Anyone?

LonghornDub · 07-09-2012, 04:20 PM

Kevin Love seems like kind of a dillhole. He said today (paraphrasing), "[The Wolves need to put more pieces around me,] I believe in greatness surrounding itself with greatness."

dude1394 · 07-09-2012, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

Honestly, I don't think the Mavs are looked at that favorably right now by players around the league because of the way they broke up the championship team... that and it's Dirk, Marion and a bunch of scrubs.

The Mavs are the only "contending" team that is stripping down, everyone else is building up. Unless cubes is right and in 2-3 years those teams are hemorrhaging money, this will be on of the biggest screw-ups in sports history.

dude1394 · 07-09-2012, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stuportremens

The problem is that you usually need a guy of Dirk's caliber to win a championship.

History says that players of that caliber usually don't move to other teams and if they do so (like Kareem, Shaq, Lebron), they go to the "glamour teams".

For the Mavs, that means they have to draft this type of player or they won't get him. And if they have one, they need to maximize this opportunity, because it might be a long time until they get the next one.

And that's where Cuban's strategy was extremely stupid: you just don't take unnecessary risks which can result in wasting some of the remaining years of Dirk's prime.

When they decided to let Chandler go, I thought that they had some kind of absolute guarantee from Deron that he was going to sign in Dallas no matter what. Turns out they just had a 50% or less chance to get him. And now the rest of Dirks prime is wasted. Great job.

It took the mavs about 20 years to get a first-tier superstar. How long will it take till they luck into the next one?

It could be never actually.

LonghornDub · 07-09-2012, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

this will be on of the biggest screw-ups in sports history.

Slight overreaction.