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GermanDunk · 01-13-2008, 06:25 PM

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Cassell destined for Dallas?
Posted: Sunday January 13, 2008 07:38AM ET

Sam Cassell has not asked to be traded. He hasn't sought a buyout of the remainder of his contract. He has been a loyal soldier. But that doesn't mean he hasn't thought about a change of scenery. And the Mavericks are a team that makes sense -- a title contender that always is looking for a veteran, calming influence at point guard who has seen his share of playoff battles.

thereaper · 01-13-2008, 06:25 PM

Meh

Tokey41 · 01-13-2008, 06:33 PM

I would trade like... Ager for him.

alby · 01-13-2008, 06:33 PM

i really like the third answer choice

shaw-xx · 01-13-2008, 06:41 PM

We have enough "vets". Stay with fresh legs.

Robillion · 01-13-2008, 06:47 PM

.. if we traded away Terry for a new piece that was not a guard then Id say yeah for him to come here, only if it cost next to nothing though.

GermanDunk · 01-13-2008, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

i really like the third answer choice

True - winds slowly picking up at Texas...

fluid.forty.one · 01-13-2008, 07:23 PM

I'd rather have him than JJB.

SeattleMavsFan · 01-13-2008, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

I'd rather have him than JJB.

are you kidding me? it's your opinion but I find that one hard to swallow.

I wouldn't one him. Like others have said, I'd trade maybe Ager for him. He's old, injury prone, and I don't think he can do much anymore.

Robillion · 01-13-2008, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

I'd rather have him than JJB.

see to me that is rediculous.

JJB doesnt get enough credit, nor playing time. to me I can see him being the Mavs best playmaker... but he doesnt get the chance.

Id much rather have him running point than Terry and Terry just stick to being a 2.

birdsanctuary · 01-13-2008, 09:39 PM

Cassell is the type of veteran piece that can win the Mavs a championship. The mavs need more guys have won before. Anyone who things Cassell will be more than an "assistant coach" is fooling themselves. But if I remember correctly it was an "assistant coach" named Steve Kerr that won SA one of their championships...

LonghornDub · 01-13-2008, 09:42 PM

I'm all for it, even if it meant giving up JJB. Of course JJB has a lot more upside and giving him up could prove to be a bad move down the road, but the Mavs have a group of guys that have about 2-4 more years to win a title before the window closes on them. Anything reasonable they can do to up the odds of winning a title NOW is worth considering.

birdsanctuary · 01-13-2008, 09:47 PM

You are a prodigy dub, because the window is slowly closing on this team. I however think that if things aren't taken care of this year the project is blown up. Hopefully the coach will go first and not the pieces because the Dirk, Josh, and Devin pieces are solid. Well maybe, just Dirk and Devin; I'd give up Josh because he appears to have developed into a very self centered stat oriented player.

Mickey · 01-13-2008, 09:52 PM

Sure.

But only if the Clippers buy him out. Clutch players are never enough.

Otherwise...

SeattleMavsFan · 01-13-2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ProdigyDub

I'm all for it, even if it meant giving up JJB. Of course JJB has a lot more upside and giving him up could prove to be a bad move down the road, but the Mavs have a group of guys that have about 2-4 more years to win a title before the window closes on them. Anything reasonable they can do to up the odds of winning a title NOW is worth considering.

you make a valid point about the window that the Mavs have to win a title. I hadn't really factored that in. With that in mind, I could understand trading away JJ but for Cassel? Is he really going to make that difference. I don't think so. I honestly think we have one of the best teams in the league and have for a while. I hate to say it but when things don't go quite our way, we choke. We settle for way way too many jumpers. Our defense suffers considerbly. It seems to be a pychological thing that the Mavs have when they are losing or the refs are against them or what not. If we can rise above that, we'll have a title no problem and I don't think there are many players out there that are going to make that big a difference (obviously without trading the whole team away).

nashtymavsfan13 · 01-13-2008, 11:55 PM

Don't want him here at all.

fluid.forty.one · 01-14-2008, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ProdigyDub

I'm all for it, even if it meant giving up JJB. Of course JJB has a lot more upside and giving him up could prove to be a bad move down the road, but the Mavs have a group of guys that have about 2-4 more years to win a title before the window closes on them. Anything reasonable they can do to up the odds of winning a title NOW is worth considering.

exactly

rmacomic · 01-14-2008, 01:01 AM

As long as he remembers to advance the ball past half court I'm all for it.

LonghornDub · 01-14-2008, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SeattleMavsFan

you make a valid point about the window that the Mavs have to win a title. I hadn't really factored that in. With that in mind, I could understand trading away JJ but for Cassel? Is he really going to make that difference. I don't think so. I honestly think we have one of the best teams in the league and have for a while. I hate to say it but when things don't go quite our way, we choke. We settle for way way too many jumpers. Our defense suffers considerbly. It seems to be a pychological thing that the Mavs have when they are losing or the refs are against them or what not. If we can rise above that, we'll have a title no problem and I don't think there are many players out there that are going to make that big a difference (obviously without trading the whole team away).

I dunno if Cassell will help, but I think he has more potential to help the Mavs win a title immediately than JJB does.

Again, I'm not saying it'd be a good move 3 years down the road--just that Cassell could be counted on a playoff-type situation more than JJB could right now.

fluid.forty.one · 01-14-2008, 02:15 AM

For the record, I would trade JJB for Armstrong if I was thinking about winning a title NOW. I would trade for Cassell for the same, and more, reason(s).

GermanDunk · 01-14-2008, 02:22 AM

SC might be an option, but only for next season. At this point the team is good enough. If the guys don´t make it to the finals without Cassell they won´t with Cassell either. My opinion is: No

Dirkadirkastan · 01-14-2008, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by rmacomic

As long as he remembers to advance the ball past half court I'm all for it.

I get it!

Robillion · 01-14-2008, 07:41 AM

people be haten on some JJB

mqywaaah · 01-14-2008, 08:44 AM

JJB with enough playing time > Sam Cassell

My answer, any given day.

The Crippler · 01-14-2008, 10:10 AM

wow. this thread goes to show how much posters here love to overrate JJB...

Tokey41 · 01-14-2008, 12:18 PM

On second thought, i'd also give up like... George for him.

If we ever make a trade this season it needs to be for a post player, someone who can contribute for a good three years at least, and preferably an all-star who is unhappy on a losing team. Can anyone think of someone who meets that criteria that we can get for a bargin price? I'll give you a hint... he's in our division, and I would at least consider dealing Josh for him if there was more to the trade.

thereaper · 01-14-2008, 12:31 PM

If we did sign him our Men In Black factor would quadruple to levels not seen since NVE was traded away.

Dirkenstien · 01-14-2008, 04:59 PM

I'd trade Cassell for JJB straight up no questions asked. Sam's a true floor leader and I have no doubt swapping him with JJB would be an improvement for this team.

DirkFTW · 01-14-2008, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by thereaper

If we did sign him our Men In Black factor would quadruple to levels not seen since NVE was traded away.

It's not worth boosting that factor. The Spurs already have it in spades.

Robillion · 01-14-2008, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

I'd trade Cassell for JJB straight up no questions asked. Sam's a true floor leader and I have no doubt swapping him with JJB would be an improvement for this team.

IMO, it would only be an improvement because he would actually get playing time... if JJB was allowed too play he would he a huge factor for this team..he can contribute muchmuch more than what Cassel can. But he isnt given the chance. It is very unfortunate. .. we have vets on our team. We need a post player and people that will take it to the rim, and JJB can do it every time. And if he doesnt have a shot he could be the best on the team at sending it back out and making a play. I cant see how people cant see this in just the lil time he plays.

Dirkenstien · 01-15-2008, 09:37 AM

No matter how good JJB is offensively, he is now and always will be a major liability on the defensive end.

atrewsfan · 01-15-2008, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

No matter how good JJB is offensively, he is now and always will be a major liability on the defensive end.

Just like Cassell.

Robillion · 01-15-2008, 10:00 PM

Is it JUST me or did I see JJB force multiple turnovers from the other team in the past few games?.. and he can keep up with people. I think the only thing that needs much work on him is his BB IQ, which would only get better with more playing time... and yeah he is short but being able to block shots isnt the only way to be good on the defensive end.

Dirkenstien · 01-16-2008, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by atrewsfan

Just like Cassell.

Not really.

Cassell can at least use his size and strength as well as his superb basketball IQ to his advantage. Cassell may be getting older and slower, and he's never been a great defensive player by any stretch of the imagination, but his knowledge of the game keeps him competitive and far from being any kind of liability.

Scoobay · 01-16-2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

Not really.

Cassell can at least use his size and strength as well as his superb basketball IQ to his advantage. Cassell may be getting older and slower, and he's never been a great defensive player by any stretch of the imagination, but his knowledge of the game keeps him competitive and far from being any kind of liability.

sam i am also just dropped 32 on the suns to go with 6 boards and 7 dimes...

wesbrynt · 01-16-2008, 10:09 PM

jjb is an overrated mascot type player. He will never be anything more than a 3rd string or maybe back up PG. Just because he had the great game in the home opener doesn't mean he is this burgeoning superstar.

Tokey41 · 01-17-2008, 01:01 PM

We need someone to stick with Dirk during out title run... and Cassell is going to be good for how much longer? I wouldn't give him three years, he'd be useful this year and maybe next year. Keep in mid he's putting up great numbers on a horrible team that has no all-star caliber player at the moment and little talent elsewhere. The points have to come from somewhere.

dalmations202 · 01-17-2008, 02:13 PM

The best place for Cassell..........Houston Rockets.

He might actually make that team a problem to deal with in the playoffs. They really need his leadership, and gamesmanship.

Not sure what LAC would want in return though, if you have Yao, TMac, and Battier off the table.

horse900703 · 01-17-2008, 07:01 PM

sure~~~