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mavErika · 03-12-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Maringa

I haven't heard any updates; however, JJ has a recurring injury that happens time to time when he runs into someone, or when someone blocks is shot. I think he had a previous injury which causes his shoulder gets slightly dislocated...I would not be surprised if he has surgery on that shoulder during the offseason to strengthen the ligaments.

He usually recovers by the next game.

thank you, didn't knew that before(the shoulder-issue, of course his toughness is well-known to me). I'll keep an eye on that.
However, in the meantime db.com answered all injury-related questions:

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1414

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INJURY UPDATE: All sorts of news here, and stuff that we’ll update throughout the day:

*J.J. Barea, who had earned his second consecutive start, drove to the hole early in the fourth and was absolutely hammered by giant Joel Przybilla. Przybilla used one hand to goaltend the layup try (no call) and the other hand to accidentally fist JJB right in the face. … and I think, very near where JJB recently underwent dental surgery. Barea appeared to be clutching his arm as he retired for the evening, but I think when he wakes up this morning he’s going to be clutching his battered face.

*Only seconds later, another bad break: Devean George leaked out for a one-pass, length-of-the-floor fast break from Kidd and as he went up for the layup. … he never went up. George was fouled on the attempt, and his right knee wobbled. He made one of his FTs and then wobbled away to the locker room.

*Josh Howard’s ankle is still subject to more tests. But J-Ho reportedly plans on joining the team in Oakland before Friday night.

*Jerry Stackhouse may not be ready to play on that foot, but he’s ready to travel and will also be in Golden State. (Given the state of the economy, I’m thinking Stack and J-Ho can get together for some sort of Buddy Pass?)

LonghornDub · 03-12-2009, 01:31 AM

It's incredible that the Mavs are very much on pace for a 50-win season and this board has been doom-and-gloom for most of the year. Really puts things in perspective.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-12-2009, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

It's incredible that the Mavs are very much on pace for a 50-win season and this board has been doom-and-gloom for most of the year. Really puts things in perspective.

Eh, not really. It depends on what you mean by "doom and gloom." I don't think anyone here was predicting that the Mavs wouldn't win 50 at the beginning of the season. Nor do I think that 50 wins is that impressive a feat considering how many years in a row the Mavs have done it. We're sort of used to it by now.

LonghornDub · 03-12-2009, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Eh, not really. It depends on what you mean by "doom and gloom." I don't think anyone here was predicting that the Mavs wouldn't win 50 at the beginning of the season. Nor do I think that 50 wins is that impressive a feat considering how many years in a row the Mavs have done it. We're sort of used to it by now.

Have you been on the board much at all this season (not a sarcastic question)? "Doom and gloom" is a perfectly accurate depiction of a strong contingent of the folks on this board after half or so of our losses this year.

And, for what it's worth, I disagree that 50 wins is not impressive. It's certainly not the 60+ win Mavericks of yesteryear, but winning 50 games in a tough conference is impressive to me. I don't come to "expect" anything in sports, personally.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-12-2009, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Have you been on the board much at all this season (not a sarcastic question)? "Doom and gloom" is a perfectly accurate depiction of a strong contingent of the folks on this board after half or so of our losses this year.

And, for what it's worth, I disagree that 50 wins is not impressive. It's certainly not the 60+ win Mavericks of yesteryear, but winning 50 games in a tough conference is impressive to me. I don't come to "expect" anything in sports, personally.

Be specific. What is "doom and gloom?" That this team isn't very good? That we're not contenders? That we probably won't get out of the first round? Those things are still true. A win against Portland doesn't change that.

LonghornDub · 03-12-2009, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Be specific. What is "doom and gloom?" That this team isn't very good? That we're not contenders? That we probably won't get out of the first round? Those things are still true. A win against Portland doesn't change that.

I don't know how you can say this team "isn't very good." They're in the thick of the West playoff race, less than a game or two behind some teams that are undoubtedly good.

Regardless, no, I'm not referring to folks who say things like, "We aren't a contender." That's fine, whatever. And I didn't say anything about a win over Portland changing anything. I just noted that the Mavs are on pace to win over 50 games; that's a good team. Not an excellent team--not a Lakers, not a Celtics--but a good team. And recognition that the Mavs are a good team is very incongruent with the general attitude that permeates this walls after a tough loss.

Underdog · 03-12-2009, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

It's incredible that the Mavs are very much on pace for a 50-win season and this board has been doom-and-gloom for most of the year. Really puts things in perspective.

That's because the Cowboys ingrained a permanent sense of entitlement into Dallas sports fans (baseball aside...)

ghazi · 03-12-2009, 01:33 AM

Regarding J-Ho

We're 13-7 with J-Ho

And 27-18 without.

One ominous stat I find though is that the Mavs have lost by 15+ 9 times this year, and all 9 of those came in games J-ho has played.

So in 20% of the 45 games J-Ho has played, we've lost badly.

In 0% of the 20 games J-Ho hasn't played have we lost badly

Take it for what you will, it could very well be variance.

The offense is much more aesthetically vexing without J-Hos stepback jumpers, but at the same time, without J-ho we look like a team that's over reliant on the scoring of just 2 players and severely lacking talent (Wright/Barea in starting lineup, yeesh!).

LonghornDub · 03-12-2009, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ghazi

The offense is much more aesthetically vexing without J-Hos stepback jumpers, but at the same time, without J-ho we look like a team that's over reliant on the scoring of just 2 players and severely lacking talent (Wright/Barea in starting lineup, yeesh!).

Now you're just forcing the word in there. That doesn't even make sense.

Dirkadirkastan · 03-12-2009, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ghazi

Regarding J-Ho

We're 13-7 with J-Ho

And 27-18 without.

I think this is backwards.

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One ominous stat I find though is that the Mavs have lost by 15+ 9 times this year, and all 9 of those came in games J-ho has played.

So in 20% of the 45 games J-Ho has played, we've lost badly.

In 0% of the 20 games J-Ho hasn't played have we lost badly

As far as I remember, the first @PHX game got out of hand immediately after Howard injured himself and left the game, however that factors in.

Zki41 · 03-12-2009, 02:11 AM

As long as the Mavs play this way in the first round of the playoffs ... if we play any team other than Los Angeles, San Antonio, Utah, New Orleans, and MAYBE Denver, then we have a respectable chance of making the second round.

Great effort tonight.

ghazi · 03-12-2009, 02:15 AM

Some "doom and gloom" permeates from the heart break of the past and the standard the Mavs had set 2-3 years ago.

Beloved Mavs had a beautiful year in 2006, until the whistles decided our boys in blue were unworthy of a championship.

And another beautiful year in 2007, until the Warriors hit a bunch of luck ass off balanced halfcourt three's and slayed our season in the 1st round.

Really some peoples' disappointment doesn't stem from this year as much as the past.

The gentle decline the Mavs have faced would be far more tolerable if not for the heartbreaks our boys in blue have endured in the past.

But yes, we're a good team. But considering the past, there's still an empty feeling at times that this team doesn't have a shot to win the elusive ring, the ring that eluded in 2006 not because we weren't good enough, but because the refs decided D-Whistle is worthy of shooting 48 FT's in the final 2 games and 97 for the entire series.

Regardless I still enjoy watching our beloved Mavs, and shall follow them until the ends of time, the ends of the Earth.

cinemablend · 03-12-2009, 02:36 AM

This game gives me hope.

It's probably false hope, but almost can't help myself.

They played with so much INTENSITY tonight. There was even a minute in the game where every single player on the floor wasn't completely dialed in.

And they were playing against a team just as determined to beat them as they were to win... and the manned up and held on. The Blazers kept throwing punches and the Mavs kept punching right back. When the Mavs started having trouble scoring... they simply made up for it by tightening the screws on defense to make sure the Blazers didn't score either.

It's hard not to be impressed by this win.

Granted it's not a win against the Lakers, Spurs, or Celtics but the Blazers I'd say are about on the same level as the Mavs (especially with injuries, Mavs miss Howard Blazers miss Fernandez and Greg Oden). It's not just who they beat though, but how they beat them. They did it with constant, consistent intensity. They never let up, they never ran away.

And yeah, they are better without Josh Howard. It doesn't make any sense, even if Howard is a ball stopper... but everything seems to work better. It's as if they become a team when Howard is out, and when Howard is there... there's always the potential that the team could fall apart into a bunch of scared individuals at any moment. The whole team starts to mirror Howard in the 4th quarter.

I think Kidd especially deserves some credit tonight for the way he manned up, and manhandled the Blazers when they tried to play tough defense on him. Loved that play where he was being hasseled so he just put his back to the basket, shoved his defender to the hoop, and did a sweet little layup from close range. He looked energized like I haven't seen in a while. The whole team just looked like it wasn't going to take any crap anymore.

The Blazers were really ALL over them and in the past the Mavs would have just given up right then, but tonight they just ignored them and shoved right past them. Glorious.

dalger · 03-12-2009, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by cinemablend

And yeah, they are better without Josh Howard. It doesn't make any sense, even if Howard is a ball stopper... but everything seems to work better. It's as if they become a team when Howard is out, and when Howard is there...

I wouldn't say that we're better off without Josh, but it's remarkable that we're not noticeably worse, if at all. Not even 18 months ago, prior to last year's all-star break and his good buddy Devin being traded, some people around these parts thought that Josh might be ready to take Dirk's place as our #1 option. Dirk had a relatively slow start to the season and missed a few games whereas Josh played better than ever during that period (47 points vs. Utah). Granted a lot of people wouldn't have supported that kind of a switch, but Josh, as far as his perceived importance is concerned, was much closer to being considered a formidable, can't-miss second option than a guy the Mavs can easily replace. Strange.

After last season and until few weeks ago I actually thought that the Mavs should try to get rid of Josh as soon as possible due to him not being reliable at all. Later I changed my mind as I thought that we should try to keep Josh and his solid production and do something with Stack's and Damp's contracts instead. Trading those two, who don't produce compared to Josh, and keeping Howard, whose salary/production ratio is quite nice, looked even more promising to me.

But now I'm thinking again. Maybe we should indeed try to use Stack's, Damp's, AND Josh's contracts this summer to make this team a contender again. Having almost $30 million in desirable expiring contracts is significant, and losing a contributor like Josh along the way might be okay if his great talents don't fit the team.

Underdog · 03-12-2009, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dalger

But now I'm thinking again. Maybe we should indeed try to use Stack's, Damp's, AND Josh's contracts this summer to make this team a contender again. Having almost $30 million in desirable expiring contracts is significant, and losing a contributor like Josh along the way might be okay if his great talents don't fit the team.

Everybody take note of this paragraph - this is what we'll be discussing for the next 6 months...

Sportstudi · 03-12-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Everybody take note of this paragraph - this is what we'll be discussing for the next 6 months...

Go and tell it Donnie...

Underdog · 03-12-2009, 10:05 AM

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Go and tell it Donnie...

I'm pretty sure Donnie knows all about the upcoming $30mil in expirings between Josh, Damp and Stack - it's probably been the fallback plan from the get-go...

mavErika · 03-12-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dalger

But now I'm thinking again. Maybe we should indeed try to use Stack's, Damp's, AND Josh's contracts this summer to make this team a contender again. Having almost $30 million in desirable expiring contracts is significant, and losing a contributor like Josh along the way might be okay if his great talents don't fit the team.

I'm all for it, although I'm not delighted by the idea of giving up damp, unless it brings a capable, big center back. But if these contracts are as worthy as we all hope, they better find away to throw Carroll in there, too.

For now, let's hope Josh can shake off (some of) his injuries to come back soon and contribute.

left texas · 03-12-2009, 03:39 AM

I still can remember vividly, that I would have given anything for the Mavs to have 50 wins in a season. Good game Mavs!

mqywaaah · 03-12-2009, 03:44 AM

I love the recaps that we used to get from last year. Who did we get it from again?

ghazi · 03-12-2009, 04:22 AM

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I love the recaps that we used to get from last year. Who did we get it from again?

You break my heart holmes

tcat075 · 03-12-2009, 06:06 AM

Oh, man, I wish Kidd would have got that triple double.

Nevertheless...we just beat a WEST CONTENDER on the ROAD on the END OF A BACK TO BACK! That hasn't happened much this season...I wish I would have been able to watch the 4th quarter of this game. Looked like it was good.

Go Mavs!

StackAttack · 03-12-2009, 07:01 AM

Are we peaking at the perfect time? Much has been made of our struggles against good teams, but in the span of a week we've beaten the Spurs, the Suns, and the Blazers, none of whom are chopped liver.

alexamenos · 03-12-2009, 07:48 AM

favorite win of the year for me....

dreamteamCP3 · 03-12-2009, 08:28 AM

Im looking to make a trip up there and I'm not too sure how the seating is arranged. Row B up top would be 2nd row right? I've never been and i dont want to be stuck on the last row. Can someone confirm this?

MX425 · 03-12-2009, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dreamteamCP3

Im looking to make a trip up there and I'm not too sure how the seating is arranged. Row B up top would be 2nd row right? I've never been and i dont want to be stuck on the last row. Can someone confirm this?

row b would be about 12 rows up. They start aa, bb, cc, dd, etc, then go into a b c d format. However I have sat at the very top and it ain't that bad.

dreamteamCP3 · 03-12-2009, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MX425

row b would be about 12 rows up. They start aa, bb, cc, dd, etc, then go into a b c d format. However I have sat at the very top and it ain't that bad.

thanks man. You know off a good place to buy tickets from? I usually get them through stub hub.

dude1394 · 03-12-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dreamteamCP3

Im looking to make a trip up there and I'm not too sure how the seating is arranged. Row B up top would be 2nd row right? I've never been and i dont want to be stuck on the last row. Can someone confirm this?

Go the mavs website. They have seating charts as well as some sort of 360degree dealy-whop that allows you to review your site lines from whatever seat you purchase. At least they used to.

MX425 · 03-12-2009, 08:52 AM

50 wins is very impressive and any one that thinks otherwise is crazy. Keeping this streak alive would be an amazing feat and I feel like while we might be on the outside looking in for a championship it will come

Flacolaco · 03-12-2009, 10:07 AM

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"Dirk hit some tough ones," Portland guard Brandon Roy said. "He was just throwing them up and they were going in."

http://www.kptv.com/sports/18914270/detail.html#-

I don't care for his connotation here.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-12-2009, 10:15 AM

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http://www.kptv.com/sports/18914270/detail.html#-

I don't care for his connotation here.

Just like we threw up three wins against your team this season, Roy. They must have all been wild flukes.

fluid.forty.one · 03-12-2009, 12:29 PM

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http://www.kptv.com/sports/18914270/detail.html#-

I don't care for his connotation here.

Roy is a complaining douchebag, but the national media hasn't caught wind of it yet. Everyone thinks he's an angel.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-12-2009, 01:24 PM

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Roy is a complaining douchebag, but the national media hasn't caught wind of it yet. Everyone thinks he's an angel.

I'm not sure what you guys don't like about his comment here. He's absolutely right. Dirk WAS just throwing them up. He seriously had no business making some of those shots last night.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-12-2009, 01:28 PM

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I'm not sure what you guys don't like about his comment here. He's absolutely right. Dirk WAS just throwing them up. He seriously had no business making some of those shots last night.

Dirk has been doing that all season though. If you are surprised that he made those shots, then you haven't been watching him play this year.

DavidDaMonkey · 03-12-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

I'm not sure what you guys don't like about his comment here. He's absolutely right. Dirk WAS just throwing them up. He seriously had no business making some of those shots last night.

No business? What about the all the times we hear about him just shooting shot after shot after shot alone in the gym with Holger? I have no business making the shots that Dirk was making, but Dirk has no business NOT making them.

He has worked hard to be able to make those shots, it's not a fluke.

ghazi · 03-12-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

I'm not sure what you guys don't like about his comment here. He's absolutely right. Dirk WAS just throwing them up. He seriously had no business making some of those shots last night.

oh yes he damn well did!

it's not as if Dirk was scorching anyway. 29 points on 24 shots and 5 free throw attempts. just a solid efficient game from our beloved dirk with a big time shot at the end.

dirk missing 2 free throws was more "flukish" than any shot he made last night.

cinemablend · 03-12-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

I'm not sure what you guys don't like about his comment here. He's absolutely right. Dirk WAS just throwing them up. He seriously had no business making some of those shots last night.

You talk as if it were luck. That's what Dirk Nowitzki does. That's what he's done his entire career. It's not some random, happenstance where the clouds parted and Dirk just got lucky for one night.

MX425 · 03-12-2009, 02:50 PM

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I'm not sure what you guys don't like about his comment here. He's absolutely right. Dirk WAS just throwing them up. He seriously had no business making some of those shots last night.

I don't like you.

If it was luck, I don't think, and maybe I am wrong, theat the coach would put a play in the continually made Dirk take luck shots. I mean you don't see a lot of half court heaves in most NBA play books. Those are luck shots.

Also, thespiralgoeson? Maybe Mark Cuban stole your girlfriend, or you bet your house on a 2006 championship, or your wife got run through by the entire team but whatever happened to piss you off towards the team why live as such a negitive person. Pick a team to root for and not against and move on. chode.

SMC0007 · 03-12-2009, 02:57 PM

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I don't like you.

If it was luck, I don't think, and maybe I am wrong, theat the coach would put a play in the continually made Dirk take luck shots. I mean you don't see a lot of half court heaves in most NBA play books. Those are luck shots.

Also, thespiralgoeson? Maybe Mark Cuban stole your girlfriend, or you bet your house on a 2006 championship, or your wife got run through by the entire team but whatever happened to piss you off towards the team why live as such a negitive person. Pick a team to root for and not against and move on. chode.

Boy, that escalated quickly... I mean, that really got out of hand fast.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-12-2009, 03:01 PM

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Also, thespiralgoeson? Maybe Mark Cuban stole your girlfriend, or you bet your house on a 2006 championship, or your wife got run through by the entire team but whatever happened to piss you off towards the team why live as such a negitive person. Pick a team to root for and not against and move on. chode.

Excuse me, I have NEVER in my life rooted against the Mavericks. I'm angry at the direction this team has taken because I F*CKING CARE! I care about this team losing the opportunity to win a championship. I care about management making bad decisions. I care about players losing faith in the organization.

What happened to piss me off is that the team moved backwards. I care about that, and I'm angry. If you don't like that, I suggest you find a different topic to discuss, because you will never find a sports forum that doesn't have angry fans.