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Im not in favor of the comments either, but thats the type of stuff that does keep fans away from D-M.com. We need posters to keep going.
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06-23-2016, 05:18 PM
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Im not in favor of the comments either, but thats the type of stuff that does keep fans away from D-M.com. We need posters to keep going.
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Right now we may need PLAYERS to keep this thing going... Here's to hoping the FO doesn't totally sh!t the bed this summer!
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06-24-2016, 08:08 AM
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Also f*ck durant. Pimple faced f*ggot.
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So is allowing comments like these part of the site revitalization effort? Not sure that's gonna work.
And in light of recent and current events?
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06-23-2016, 01:16 PM
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Parsons-or-bust?? What if he doesn't want to come back to Dallas, even for max? What if he finds a better fit -- maybe a team where he can be a true #2 behind someone who isn't on the verge of retiring?
Then what?
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06-23-2016, 01:23 PM
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Parsons-or-bust?? What if he doesn't want to come back to Dallas, even for max? What if he finds a better fit -- maybe a team where he can be a true #2 behind someone who isn't on the verge of retiring?
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Move Anderson into the starting role at SF. Then invest a lot in the bench. Find a way to bring in Howard. You'll have a solid rebounding team to start with.
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06-23-2016, 01:25 PM
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Move Anderson into the starting role at SF. Then invest a lot in the bench. Find a way to bring in Howard. You'll have a solid rebounding team to start with.
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Going to be tough to convince Dwight to come without his buddy Parsons on the team.
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06-23-2016, 01:25 PM
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Move Anderson into the starting role at SF. Then invest a lot in the bench. Find a way to bring in Howard. You'll have a solid rebounding team to start with.
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Howard isn't coming to Dallas unless Parsons lures him here... And even then, it sounds like the Mavs have no interest in paying him max either.
Try again.
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06-23-2016, 01:27 PM
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Howard isn't coming to Dallas unless Parsons lures him here... And even then, it sounds like the Mavs have no interest in paying him max either.
Try again.
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We'll see.
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06-23-2016, 01:36 PM
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Parsons-or-bust?? What if he doesn't want to come back to Dallas, even for max? What if he finds a better fit -- maybe a team where he can be a true #2 behind someone who isn't on the verge of retiring?
Then what?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U7rOUSvYM8
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06-23-2016, 01:42 PM
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Basically.
(+rep for The Last Starfighter reference)
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06-23-2016, 01:29 PM
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I reposted this Jthig tweet in the 'Dirk Opts Out' thread that probably bears repeating in this one too:
@jared_thigpen: If the Mavs really don't offer Parsons the Max, I think there's a legitimate chance they're ready for Dirk to leave and start over.
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06-23-2016, 01:34 PM
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I reposted this Jthig tweet in the 'Dirk Opts Out' thread that probably bears repeating in this one too:
@jared_thigpen: If the Mavs really don't offer Parsons the Max, I think there's a legitimate chance they're ready for Dirk to leave and start over.
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Aren't we screwed without a first round draft pick till 2020?
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06-23-2016, 01:37 PM
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Aren't we screwed without a first round draft pick till 2020?
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Maybe consider Google to get the facts first.
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06-23-2016, 01:42 PM
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Maybe consider Google to get the facts first.
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How bout you answer for me, big guy.
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06-23-2016, 01:49 PM
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How bout you answer for me, big guy.
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06-23-2016, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Underdog
I reposted this Jthig tweet in the 'Dirk Opts Out' thread that probably bears repeating in this one too:
@jared_thigpen: If the Mavs really don't offer Parsons the Max, I think there's a legitimate chance they're ready for Dirk to leave and start over.
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I'm wondering if that is a mutual understanding. Dirk doesn't want to play for a rebuilding team and if we don't land at least one all-star caliber player he'd most likely be playing for a lotto bound team.
Dirk may want out if we don't land a decent FA....that may have already been discussed behind closed doors.
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06-23-2016, 01:56 PM
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I'm wondering if that is a mutual understanding. Dirk doesn't want to play for a rebuilding team and if we don't land at least one all-star caliber player he'd most likely be playing for a lotto bound team.
Dirk may want out if we don't land a decent FA....that may have already been discussed behind closed doors.
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I would have never considered this to be a possibility until Golden State mentioned that Dirk was their Plan B after Durant... It just makes so much sense for everyone -- Dirk gets to compete for a ring in a low-pressure situation as the #3 option on a team that can maximize his skill set while Dallas is free to get on with its rebuild from a position of strength (probable sign-and-trade instead of retirement).
Plus, Parsons would be free to maximize his payday on a team that might actually be able to better utilize him... I mean, we brought him in to be our #1 scorer and he isn't. Maybe he needs a situation where he's the clear-cut #2 option? I dunno, but it seems like there are several teams in better situations than Dallas that are willing to max him out.
Win-win?
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06-23-2016, 03:12 PM
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I would have never considered this to be a possibility until Golden State mentioned that Dirk was their Plan B after Durant... It just makes so much sense for everyone -- Dirk gets to compete for a ring in a low-pressure situation as the #3 option on a team that can maximize his skill set while Dallas is free to get on with its rebuild from a position of strength (probable sign-and-trade instead of retirement).
Plus, Parsons would be free to maximize his payday on a team that might actually be able to better utilize him... I mean, we brought him in to be our #1 scorer and he isn't. Maybe he needs a situation where he's the clear-cut #2 option? I dunno, but it seems like there are several teams in better situations than Dallas that are willing to max him out.
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And we have to eventually ask ourselves if the treadmill of mediocrity really is that satisfying. Last year's team wasn't anywhere near as good as the Spurs, Thunder, or Warriors. Not even close. And that's your path to the finals.
I don't believe in tanking, but I am fully on board with developing young players because the Mavs don't understand that is how you groom assets. Watching Powell (at times), Anderson, and Mejri develop made me feel better than watching a broken down Deron play with effort 50% of the time.
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06-23-2016, 03:36 PM
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Perhaps the answer to the "Chandler Parsons dilemma", is the same given to all Mavs related issues..... "Just ask Dirk." His answer is all Donnie, Cuban or anyone on the DM.com board should need......Right??
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06-23-2016, 01:58 PM
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Right before Parsons got hurt, I was thinking 4yrs/$80M was about right for him. Apparently his first-year salary on a five-year max deal is $22M with whatever the requisite raises are. Now, assuming the Mavs are comfortable with $20M per year like I guessed, what in the world would prevent them from an extra $2M this summer and like $6M in year five? I know we're talking MILLIONS of dollars here, but do you really want to lose him because of about $40M over five years (most of that being about $28M or so in year five)? That seems silly to me, unless you've talked with other prospective targets' agents and the word is we won't be in the running for anyone. Then I understand rebuilding. But man, would I hate to lose Dirk because we didn't pay Parsons an extra $2M this year and subsequently dropped out of the running for a lot of other top-tier free agents.
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06-23-2016, 02:18 PM
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Right before Parsons got hurt, I was thinking 4yrs/$80M was about right for him. Apparently his first-year salary on a five-year max deal is $22M with whatever the requisite raises are. Now, assuming the Mavs are comfortable with $20M per year like I guessed, what in the world would prevent them from an extra $2M this summer and like $6M in year five? I know we're talking MILLIONS of dollars here, but do you really want to lose him because of about $40M over five years (most of that being about $28M or so in year five)? That seems silly to me, unless you've talked with other prospective targets' agents and the word is we won't be in the running for anyone. Then I understand rebuilding. But man, would I hate to lose Dirk because we didn't pay Parsons an extra $2M this year and subsequently dropped out of the running for a lot of other top-tier free agents.
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I think it has less to do with the "extra $2M" part and more to do with the "right before Parsons got hurt" part... $20m/year sounded reasonable until he missed his second playoffs in two years because of injury.
Chandler Parsons playoff stats in a Mavs uniform: GP 1 / MIN 37 / PTS 10.0 (5-15 FG, 0-4 3P, 0-0 FT) / REB 6.0 / AST 2.0 / BLK 0.0 / STL 0.0 / PF 1.0 / TO 1.0
You could argue that it's a small sample size, but it's a small sample size because the guy is never healthy for the playoffs... Parsons has done squat to advance the Mavericks' status as a contender, but we should max him out after overpaying him for the last 2 seasons? Lol, nope.
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I think it has less to do with the "extra $2M" part and more to do with the "right before Parsons got hurt" part... $20m/year sounded reasonable until he missed his second playoffs in two years because of injury.
Chandler Parsons playoff stats in a Mavs uniform: GP 1 / MIN 37 / PTS 10.0 (5-15 FG, 0-4 3P, 0-0 FT) / REB 6.0 / AST 2.0 / BLK 0.0 / STL 0.0 / PF 0.0 / TO 1.0
You could argue that it's a small sample size, but it's a small sample size because the guy is never healthy for the playoffs... Chandler Parsons has done almost NOTHING for the Mavericks, and we're gonna max him out after overpaying him for the last 2 seasons? Lol, nope.
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If we don't max him out we better have the inside track on Conley and/or Whiteside. If we miss out on all three, might as well let Dirk walk.
Tough position for the Mavs... Parsons definitely doesn't deserve the max, but the market determines value.
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If we don't max him out we better have the inside track on Conley and/or Whiteside. If we miss out on all three, might as well let Dirk walk.
Tough position for the Mavs... Parsons definitely doesn't deserve the max, but the market determines value.
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Yep.
Doc Rivers killed the sh!t out of this team last summer... (well, final nail in the coffin -- Cuban's new CBA strategy did most of the damage...)
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I think it has less to do with the "extra $2M" part and more to do with the "right before Parsons got hurt" part... $20m/year sounded reasonable until he missed his second playoffs in two years because of injury.
Chandler Parsons playoff stats in a Mavs uniform: GP 1 / MIN 37 / PTS 10.0 (5-15 FG, 0-4 3P, 0-0 FT) / REB 6.0 / AST 2.0 / BLK 0.0 / STL 0.0 / PF 1.0 / TO 1.0
You could argue that it's a small sample size, but it's a small sample size because the guy is never healthy for the playoffs... Parsons has done squat to advance the Mavericks' status as a contender, but we should max him out after overpaying him for the last 2 seasons? Lol, nope.
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Those are good points, but to be fair Parsons' second knee injury was minor and just incredibly bad luck/timing.
And I'd argue that he's mostly responsible for us getting so close on DAJ and certainly don't blame him for that falling apart. I still have faith in Parsons as a recruiter but understand if the MBT pulls the plug on him here. It just has to be for a better reason than "we don't feel like he's a max guy". It has to be because there is a concrete alternative plan in which Parsons doesn't fit.
If we lose Parsons and don't get someone in the Howard/Whiteside/Conley ilk, I'm going to be pretty pissed off.
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Right before Parsons got hurt, I was thinking 4yrs/$80M was about right for him. Apparently his first-year salary on a five-year max deal is $22M with whatever the requisite raises are. Now, assuming the Mavs are comfortable with $20M per year like I guessed, what in the world would prevent them from an extra $2M this summer and like $6M in year five? I know we're talking MILLIONS of dollars here, but do you really want to lose him because of about $40M over five years (most of that being about $28M or so in year five)? That seems silly to me, unless you've talked with other prospective targets' agents and the word is we won't be in the running for anyone. Then I understand rebuilding. But man, would I hate to lose Dirk because we didn't pay Parsons an extra $2M this year and subsequently dropped out of the running for a lot of other top-tier free agents.
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I wonder if keeping Parsons would actually keep Dirk happy? If not, why bother?
I do think this could all be a massive smoke screen since the usual offseason is the Mavs being interested in every free agent.
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It was a nice gesture, but giving Wes that extra bump is salary could hurt us this offseason.
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Just posted a new thread that seems to further indicate that Parsons may not be back...
http://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/showthread.php?t=39582
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It would break my heart to see Dirk finish his career for any other team (especially the f*cking Warriors.) It truly would. But man, if we have to max out the already overpaid Parsons just to keep Dirk for one more year, maybe two? That's a tough pill to swallow.
I honestly don't know what the right answer is, but I know I'm sick of constantly "retooling" every year desperately hoping for one more playoff push and never getting anything out of the draft. At some point we have to begin the actual rebuilding process. We've just been delaying it year after year .
As gut-wrenching as it would be to see Dirk wear a different jersey, if keeping means we have to max out Parsons just so we can hope to lure another big free agent to max out, it seems like it does make more sense to just let them both go and start completely over. Maybe get some decent players and/or picks so we have something to rebuild with instead of being stuck with Parsons and whoever else we probably won't want after Dirk retires.
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What does a max contract look like for Parsons? Does it start at $18M? $20M? $22M?
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What does a max contract look like for Parsons? Does it start at $18M? $20M? $22M?
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Roughly 4 years/$96m, $22m the first year.
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@espn_macmahon: Dallas' ideal scenario of landing both Mike Conley and Hassan Whiteside would not leave enough cap space to re-sign forward Chandler Parsons. The Mavs are willing to take the risk of Parsons accepting an offer from another team while they pursue their Plan A, sources say.
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@espn_macmahon: Dallas' ideal scenario of landing both Mike Conley and Hassan Whiteside would not leave enough cap space to re-sign forward Chandler Parsons. The Mavs are willing to take the risk of Parsons accepting an offer from another team while they pursue their Plan A, sources say.
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Bye Felicia.
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@espn_macmahon: Dallas' ideal scenario of landing both Mike Conley and Hassan Whiteside would not leave enough cap space to re-sign forward Chandler Parsons. The Mavs are willing to take the risk of Parsons accepting an offer from another team while they pursue their Plan A, sources say.
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Which means starting Anderson at SF is a real possibility.
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That's potential to be a spry defensive team.
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I think the Mavs are ready to move on from Parsons because he just screwed an aweseome pitch for Conley and Whiteside with not opting in.
With everyone opting out (Dirk, Parsons, Deron) we have ~61m cap. Chandler opting in fo his ~16m would still mean around 45m cap (i think Dirk gives the green light to re-sign for the small exection if they strike gold in the FA). Thats enough to offer Conley and Whiteside their max and make the pitch about having a complete awesome S5 (Conley-Wes-Parsons-Dirk-Whiteside) and three solid bench guys (Barea/Devin/Justin). Awesome looking team and pitch.
All Parsons had to do for this was collecting a 16m paycheck next season and trusting Cubans promise (pretty sure he made that) to take care of him next summer with a big contract. The Mavs trusted Parsons and gave him the huge contract (everyone saying they overpaid) and what did Parsons? Got hurt two times in a row and let a close friend screw the franchise last summer, after all the GM Parsons attention whore bullshit on social media. You should think that Parsons kind of "owned" the Mavs one (specially Dirk, who made Chandlers huge contract possible).
But again no, Chandler wasnt willing to do this. And its not even sacrificing something when you know that Cuban would always keep his word and pay him next summer. Now the pitch is "Wes and Dirk and around 15m to spend on someone we dont know who it would be"
So yeah im pretty tired of injuried Parsons, wannabe GM Parsons and "me first" Parsons and ready to move on. The last thing i want is the FO being on Chandlers door after midnight "here, you are awesome, take your 20m+ contract"
He fucked us two times in the playoffs, last summer as part of the Jordan bullshit and now he ruined an awesome FA situation (adding two max contracts to a Dirk/Wes/Parsons core) with selfish opting out. If he would be all about winning and Mavs are awesome and Dirk is awesome he would have give the franchise the possibilty to add two new max guys.
Im pretty sure Cuban was pretty pissed about Chandlers attitude here.
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I think the Mavs are ready to move on from Parsons because he just screwed an aweseome pitch for Conley and Whiteside with not opting in.
With everyone opting out (Dirk, Parsons, Deron) we have ~61m cap. Chandler opting in fo his ~16m would still mean around 45m cap (i think Dirk gives the green light to re-sign for the small exection if they strike gold in the FA). Thats enough to offer Conley and Whiteside their max and make the pitch about having a complete awesome S5 (Conley-Wes-Parsons-Dirk-Whiteside) and three solid bench guys (Barea/Devin/Justin). Awesome looking team and pitch.
All Parsons had to do for this was collecting a 16m paycheck next season and trusting Cubans promise (pretty sure he made that) to take care of him next summer with a big contract. The Mavs trusted Parsons and gave him the huge contract (everyone saying they overpaid) and what did Parsons? Got hurt two times in a row and let a close friend screw the franchise last summer, after all the GM Parsons attention whore bullshit on social media. You should think that Parsons kind of "owned" the Mavs one (specially Dirk, who made Chandlers huge contract possible).
But again no, Chandler wasnt willing to do this. And its not even sacrificing something when you know that Cuban would always keep his word and pay him next summer. Now the pitch is "Wes and Dirk and around 15m to spend on someone we dont know who it would be"
So yeah im pretty tired of injuried Parsons, wannabe GM Parsons and "me first" Parsons and ready to move on. The last thing i want is the FO being on Chandlers door after midnight "here, you are awesome, take your 20m+ contract"
He fucked us two times in the playoffs, last summer as part of the Jordan bullshit and now he ruined an awesome FA situation (adding two max contracts to a Dirk/Wes/Parsons core) with selfish opting out. If he would be all about winning and Mavs are awesome and Dirk is awesome he would have give the franchise the possibilty to add two new max guys.
Im pretty sure Cuban was pretty pissed about Chandlers attitude here.
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I'm not disagreeing with any of this, but knowing Parsons injury history the last 2 years maybe he sees it like he needs to get paid now because he doesn't know what his future could hold health wise. It's easy to say Cuban could promise him a max contract next summer, but what if he blows out his knee for a third time? No way you can pay him that kinda money in the event that happened. While I agree Parsons owes Cuban, Dirk, and the Mavs a huge favor he has to look out for himself too. If he does in fact leave I feel really bad that Dirk took less money to sign that chump.
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06-23-2016, 07:11 PM
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nah, knowing Cuban he was willing to take the risk giving Parsons now his word to pay him next summer no matter what happens again injury wise....
So yeah i think my theory is right.
And with 45 million in the books Parsons is really a poor guy, no way he could trust Cuban to pay him later
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06-24-2016, 03:43 AM
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I think the Mavs are ready to move on from Parsons because he just screwed an aweseome pitch for Conley and Whiteside with not opting in.
With everyone opting out (Dirk, Parsons, Deron) we have ~61m cap. Chandler opting in fo his ~16m would still mean around 45m cap (i think Dirk gives the green light to re-sign for the small exection if they strike gold in the FA). Thats enough to offer Conley and Whiteside their max and make the pitch about having a complete awesome S5 (Conley-Wes-Parsons-Dirk-Whiteside) and three solid bench guys (Barea/Devin/Justin). Awesome looking team and pitch.
All Parsons had to do for this was collecting a 16m paycheck next season and trusting Cubans promise (pretty sure he made that) to take care of him next summer with a big contract. The Mavs trusted Parsons and gave him the huge contract (everyone saying they overpaid) and what did Parsons? Got hurt two times in a row and let a close friend screw the franchise last summer, after all the GM Parsons attention whore bullshit on social media. You should think that Parsons kind of "owned" the Mavs one (specially Dirk, who made Chandlers huge contract possible).
But again no, Chandler wasnt willing to do this. And its not even sacrificing something when you know that Cuban would always keep his word and pay him next summer. Now the pitch is "Wes and Dirk and around 15m to spend on someone we dont know who it would be"
So yeah im pretty tired of injuried Parsons, wannabe GM Parsons and "me first" Parsons and ready to move on. The last thing i want is the FO being on Chandlers door after midnight "here, you are awesome, take your 20m+ contract"
He fucked us two times in the playoffs, last summer as part of the Jordan bullshit and now he ruined an awesome FA situation (adding two max contracts to a Dirk/Wes/Parsons core) with selfish opting out. If he would be all about winning and Mavs are awesome and Dirk is awesome he would have give the franchise the possibilty to add two new max guys.
Im pretty sure Cuban was pretty pissed about Chandlers attitude here.
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I think he was merely trying to free up the extra 4m or so that we would save from his cap hold which is 20m now that he declined to opt in. 4m would not keep us from some sort of pipe dream scenario of Whiteside and Conley(which btw is absolutely ludicrous to think we could get both of them with and especially without parsons) . Harris and Barea both have 4m cap hits and could be moved if something like that fell in our lap.
I highly doubt our FO is ready to move on solely because he wouldn't save us 4m in cap space. Especially considering the fiasco that goes on here every off season in free agency. Every year we covet our cap space and every year we sign anything except "plan a", with the sole exception of when we had to overpay parsons to get him as a RFA. If our grand plan was for ppl to take team friendly discounts/opt in to help the FO, so we could once again chase a highly unlikely scenario, and in that scenario we also try to get those highly unlikely players to also take unlikely to highly unlikely discounts as well... then the fault lies in the FO not the players. Outside of Dirk and a handful of guys in the NBA, not many are walkin around taking discounts. And only dirk is doing it for failed plan after failed plan which happens to be... the exact same plan every off season.
In short, IMO if our FO is upset over a guy not saving us 4m so we could literally pull out the same blueprint plan we do every off season... then our FO should probably all start looking into alternate career paths. If they move on it will be because they feel the salary he wants outweighs his expected production/role. Not because he didn't opt in to help a problem they created years ago and a problem that they have exacerbated every year since by using the same tired old plan.
I don't know how I feel personally about resigning him. I don't want to pay him the max. But the Free agent class is garbage and if they want to keep dirk on a competitive team in a mavs uniform they could be forced to pay him more than they want. If he's gone I hope they just play Anderson though and not overpay someone else at the position.
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I think he was merely trying to free up the extra 4m or so that we would save from his cap hold which is 20m now that he declined to opt in. 4m would not keep us from some sort of pipe dream scenario of Whiteside and Conley(which btw is absolutely ludicrous to think we could get both of them with and especially without parsons) . Harris and Barea both have 4m cap hits and could be moved if something like that fell in our lap.
I highly doubt our FO is ready to move on solely because he wouldn't save us 4m in cap space. Especially considering the fiasco that goes on here every off season in free agency. Every year we covet our cap space and every year we sign anything except "plan a", with the sole exception of when we had to overpay parsons to get him as a RFA. If our grand plan was for ppl to take team friendly discounts/opt in to help the FO, so we could once again chase a highly unlikely scenario, and in that scenario we also try to get those highly unlikely players to also take unlikely to highly unlikely discounts as well... then the fault lies in the FO not the players. Outside of Dirk and a handful of guys in the NBA, not many are walkin around taking discounts. And only dirk is doing it for failed plan after failed plan which happens to be... the exact same plan every off season.
In short, IMO if our FO is upset over a guy not saving us 4m so we could literally pull out the same blueprint plan we do every off season... then our FO should probably all start looking into alternate career paths. If they move on it will be because they feel the salary he wants outweighs his expected production/role. Not because he didn't opt in to help a problem they created years ago and a problem that they have exacerbated every year since by using the same tired old plan.
I don't know how I feel personally about resigning him. I don't want to pay him the max. But the Free agent class is garbage and if they want to keep dirk on a competitive team in a mavs uniform they could be forced to pay him more than they want. If he's gone I hope they just play Anderson though and not overpay someone else at the position.
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You should read Mavs Moneyball recent post "Mavs are heading for disaster". It touches on a lot of what you posted here.
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You should read Mavs Moneyball recent post "Mavs are heading for disaster". It touches on a lot of what you posted here.
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http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2016/6/...conley-parsons
Thanks for telling me about this. I'm sure it was posted somewhere before but thought i'd throw up another link. I hadn't seen this article till you mentioned it. Well I saw the title yesterday when watching draft and searching updates on phone but the title actually made me not click it.
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Instead, the Mavericks appear to be shooting for the stars again. And again, they will likely miss the stars, slingshot back to earth, detonate upon impact and burn everyone to the goddamn ground. The sun rises in the East, sets in the West and the Mavs will never land a big-name free agent. That's how this works.
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Oh, and they will fail. Not only are the Mavericks chasing Conley, they're doing so with the same Holier Than Thou approach that has led to the previous summers of death. The Mavs aren't pitching money, because Memphis can better them. They aren't pitching contention, because the Spurs (who are also interested in Conley) can beat them in spades. Instead, the Mavericks are pitching to Conley to give up some stuff to come to Dallas for the greater good.
Yeah, that's exactly what a player being recruited wants to hear.
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But ... no. They won't. I've seen this movie five times in the last five years. It has the same ending. The Mavericks will open free agency by meeting with Conley. They'll ask Williams to be "loyal" and chill while the Mavericks publicly try to replace him.
Williams will tell the Mavs to suck a tailpipe and pounce on the first big-money contract that comes his way. As soon as Williams, Lin and the other free agent point guards agree to their contracts, Conley will come to a decision.
He'll decide to join a new team for the first time in his NBA career. That team will be from Texas.
It will be the Spurs.
Conley will cite not being able to pass up the chance to play for a burgeoning MVP candidate in Kawhi Leonard and the greatest coach in the league.
Scrambling to fill the starting point guard spot, the Mavericks will see the landscape dried up. They will bring back Raymond Felton on a three-year deal and he will be your 2016 starting point guard. Williams will post a snapchat three weeks before the season saying the Mavericks are a hypocritical, clown organization.
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This article desperately needs some time of *SPOILERS* tag at the top. Because now there is no point in watching free agency, I'm confident this is exactly how it plays out.
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