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This thing might get kinda interesting over the days and weeks to come.

Julian Assange turned himself into the po-po, and he's now being held WITHOUT BAIL for the heinous crime of busting a rubber during the dirty, dirty act.

But obviously we know he's not being held without bail because he purchased some cheap condoms, but instead because he's an enemy of the US State.
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Old 12-09-2010, 11:16 AM   #2
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Julian Assange should be awarded Nobel peace prize, suggests Russia
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Yeah, award him a Nobel Peace Prize to further diminish the value of that "award".
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Many interesting things going on here:

- First and foremost, the whole release of classified and secret documents, which has the support of Daniel Ellsberg, the man who leaked the Pentagon Papers. Bottom line: security vs. transparency.

- Social media reporting/movement as a journalistic endeavour. Twitter was massive with the Iraqi elections but now that it's related to domestic issues, how will it be viewed?

- Corporations vs. ragtag operations. Groups of hackers disabling or slowing down major corporation and government websites. So far, the impact appears minimal but it remains to be seen how far things will go.

- Justice system - how they are holding Assange without bail? Is the judicial system just another arm of the law? How much influence do foreign governments have on judicial systems in other countries?

Anything else?
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Old 12-09-2010, 07:00 PM   #5
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Old 12-09-2010, 09:40 PM   #6
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Many interesting things going on here:

- First and foremost, the whole release of classified and secret documents, which has the support of Daniel Ellsberg, the man who leaked the Pentagon Papers. Bottom line: security vs. transparency.
On the iPhone so I'm gonna take this in sections and keep it shorter than i might otherwise.

As for comparisons to the Pentagon Papers, Assange isn't Ellsberg but instead he is the New York Times. He's not a whistleblower he's the guy receiving the leaked docs.

As near as I can tell, Assange and Wikileaks haven't broken a single law....even if they are beholden to US law in the first place. That doesn't mean there won't be a show trial.
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Old 12-09-2010, 09:47 PM   #7
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- Corporations vs. ragtag operations. Groups of hackers disabling or slowing down major corporation and government websites. So far, the impact appears minimal but it remains to be seen how far things will go.
I've seen this described in many places as the first great Internet war. Wikileaks has been subject to a barrage of attacks since it's inception (back when it was mostly outing corruption in China and Kenya and stuff)...its heated up so much that i don't believe there is a Wikileaks.com or .org anymore. Wikileaks has spawned hundreds of mirror sites and it's very much a virtual thing these days.
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The prohibition against excessive bail in England goes back to the Magna Charta. The charges against Assange aren't any more serious than having angered a girlfriend. The only plausible conclusion one can draw from his being held without bail for amazingly trivial charges is that the charges are nothing more than a pretext....let the show trial begin.
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RP--another interesing thing going on here...

....while the battlefield is new, the battle is a practically constant theme: a rigidly structured and hierarchical power fighting a highly decentralized network, a guerrilla force. Bet on the guerillas--as Yeats observed, 'the centre cannot hold, anarchy is loosed upon the world.'
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Be careful, big brother is watching...oh wait, we have all turned into big brother...hmmm rather Ironic. We are all watching all the time, all in the name of progress?
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Yep, the Russians look to be having some fun with this one. Putin is describing the caging of Assange as "undemocratic" -- he's taking potshots at Mr. Hope-n-Change.

In other news...

Fairly interesting read here -- > Army v. Wiki (Warning: Clicking on this link may be a violation of national security. Reading the linked, and leaked, document could bring about the downfall of western civilization. You're probably a terrorist if you're even tempted to click the link.)

It seems a couple of years ago the Army thought that the best way to go about killing Wikileaks would be to successfully persecute the leakers--

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Wikileaks.org uses trust as a center of gravity by assuring insiders, leakers, and whistleblowers who pass information to Wikileaks.org personnel or who post information to the Web site that they will remain anonymous. The identification, exposure, or termination of employment of or legal actions against current or former insiders, leakers, or whistleblowers could damage or destroy this center of gravity and deter others from using Wikileaks.org to make such information public.
That is, what makes wikileaks different is the abject anonymity of it's sources, so the Army's thought (in March of 2008) was that to destroy Wikileaks (and others like it), they have to destroy the center of gravity, "trust".

Maybe that hasn't worked out so well over the last couple of years, so now we're on to Plan "B".
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Alex,
Thought you might find this interesting. It is an essay from Assange himself and then dissected by a blogger:

https://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/201...ent%E2%80%9D/#


Today, the UN human rights chief spoke out for Wikileaks and its freedom of expression:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE6B81WE20101209
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Old 12-10-2010, 11:30 AM   #13
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Yeah, I've read that essay by Assange. He has a really interesting take on things.

There also seems to be a method to his madness in the way he deals with *old* media. He'll shoot something to (for instance) the New York Times and give them a few days to get on the story (and vet the documents for sensitive info) before he releases it to the general public. This gives the NYT a choice of either a) get the scoop and publish the information broadly; or b) sit on it and watch the *new media* get credit.
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Old 01-06-2011, 11:36 AM   #14
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Glen Greenwald pwns the Federal Media.

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The reason there's so little government censorship of the press in America is because it's totally unnecessary; why would the government even want to censor a media this compliant and subservient? Recall the derision heaped upon the media even by Bush's own former Press Secretary, Scott McClellan, for being "too deferential" to administration propaganda. As soon as an entity emerges that provides genuinely adversarial coverage of the U.S. Government -- such as WikiLeaks, whistleblowers, or isolated articles exposing its malfeasance -- the repressive measures come fast and furious. But in general, it's no more necessary for the U.S. Government to censor the American media than it would be for Barack Obama to try to silence Robert Gibbs.
Pretty interesting read. Greenwald has been following Wikileaks for quite sometime and he's been churning out one smackdown after another regarding the fawning deference of the Federal Media to the Federal Government and the abject incompetency of the Federal Media when it comes to getting facts straight.
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The 'Assange-as-Asset' twist is a pretty interesting angle in all of this, and one I don't entirely dismiss out of hand. I do think it's very possible that Wikileaks is a bit of blowback....
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i read the time mag interview and hes just all about himself
Everything thing I've read about him makes me think he's a first-rate doucher. Id say the *rape* charges would be more aptly deemed *being a douche* charges. But his doucherocity isn't terribly important to the story, IMHO.
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Julian Assange Biography Optioned For A Movie

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