07-01-2015, 06:56 PM
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@espn_macmahon: Heard that Mavs coach Rick Carlisle really impressed DeAndre Jordan with X's and O's discussion during today's meeting.
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Heard the same thing when we wanted Howard to sign
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07-01-2015, 07:06 PM
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Heard the same thing when we wanted Howard to sign
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But I think this is different.
In Dallas he will be a focus on offense where LAC he will be a 5th option on offense...especially with addition of Pierce.
At least that should have been the pitch.
Howard would have been a #1 or #2 option no matter where he went.
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07-01-2015, 07:10 PM
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But I think this is different.
In Dallas he will be a focus on offense where LAC he will be a 5th option on offense...especially with addition of Pierce.
At least that should have been the pitch.
Howard would have been a #1 or #2 option no matter where he went.
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He wont be a focus on offense anywhere until he develops an offense...
At this point its probably more about winning sth. and the chances with CP3, Blake and Paul Pierce are significantly higher than with Parsons and a 37y old Dirk..
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07-01-2015, 07:40 PM
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He wont be a focus on offense anywhere until he develops an offense...
At this point its probably more about winning sth. and the chances with CP3, Blake and Paul Pierce are significantly higher than with Parsons and a 37y old Dirk..
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Completely disagree.
His decision will be more about his ego and the chance to cash in big after the 3rd year.
He has a better chance to do that by being one of the best players on the team than merely a defensive specialist. He has a better chance of becoming an offensive force on the Mavs than on the Clips.
If its all about winning he is only using us to set the bar which could very well be his strategy.
We really don't have much to offer him more than LA other than a chance to be a #1 or #2 player. Not saying that will happen but Cuban should certainly use that to his advantage because that is about all he has.
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07-01-2015, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Underdog
@espn_macmahon: Heard that Mavs coach Rick Carlisle really impressed DeAndre Jordan with X's and O's discussion during today's meeting.
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Picturing a 4 hour meeting of tic tac toe
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07-01-2015, 07:02 PM
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Picturing a 4 hour meeting of tic tac toe
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At least it isn't Connect Four!
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07-01-2015, 07:03 PM
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At least it isn't Connect Four!
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goddamnit, was about to post this.
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07-01-2015, 07:04 PM
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I wanna hear from Clairvoyant Bill.
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07-01-2015, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Underdog
@espn_macmahon: Heard that Mavs coach Rick Carlisle really impressed DeAndre Jordan with X's and O's discussion during today's meeting.
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My concern is that Carlisle might have overdone it. I remember hearing stories about how Doc had to very slowly introduce advanced defensive concepts to DJ. Another way of putting that is that he may not be very basketball smart...whereas Tyson understood very quickly what he needed to do along with everyone else in advanced concepts.
I want DJ, no doubt...but it concerns me just because Carlisle may not be that patient.
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07-01-2015, 09:48 PM
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My concern is that Carlisle might have overdone it. I remember hearing stories about how Doc had to very slowly introduce advanced defensive concepts to DJ. Another way of putting that is that he may not be very basketball smart...whereas Tyson understood very quickly what he needed to do along with everyone else in advanced concepts.
I want DJ, no doubt...but it concerns me just because Carlisle may not be that patient.
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Hope we get a chance to find out just how impatient Carlisle is with DJ.
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07-01-2015, 07:42 PM
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I really dont know whats the problem that we are always in the race and seem like the frontrunner than all of a sudden never get the deal done.
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07-01-2015, 08:25 PM
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I really dont know whats the problem that we are always in the race and seem like the frontrunner than all of a sudden never get the deal done.
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Same thing I wonder. Great owner, willing to spend, no state income tax, great fanbase. Maybe one day we'll land a franchise changing player in FA -_-
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07-01-2015, 08:31 PM
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Same thing I wonder. Great owner, willing to spend, no state income tax, great fanbase. Maybe one day we'll land a franchise changing player in FA -_-
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The part "willing to spend" isnt really true anymore in terms of Donnie and Cuban thats why we nearly completely change the Team besides Dirk since 2011 and thats part of the problem no big FA is coming here.
There is no consistency in the FO decisions.
Let alone that the future isnt looking bright. We have a 37y old Dirk, Parsons and gave the Draft Future away in the Rondo trade that turned out to be a Neckbreaker.
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07-01-2015, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by EastTxMFFL
Same thing I wonder. Great owner, willing to spend, no state income tax, great fanbase. Maybe one day we'll land a franchise changing player in FA -_-
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I still say one of the reasons is that we've had and still have a franchise player on the team.
Big egos want to be the face of the franchise and that aint happening while Dirk is on the team.
I'm not suggesting Dirk is at fault by any means or that we should get rid of him for that reason but I do believe that is part of the reason why we are unable to seal the deal with superstar caliber FAs.
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07-01-2015, 09:08 PM
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I really dont know whats the problem that we are always in the race and seem like the frontrunner than all of a sudden never get the deal done.
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It was also a lot of bad luck
Paul pushed Dwight to sign together with the Mavs but then Dwight did his Dwightmare-opting in crap. Give him the chance to re-do and we have a Big-3 with Paul and Dwight.
remember Deron told it was a 51:49 decision (well, good luck longterm)
Iggy was one hour away from signing with us. Warriors lucked out finding the Jizz to take the giant Biedrins/Jefferson contracts for picks...
Fegan pushed Dwight to sign here because he knew it would be a better fit but since Dwight has no brain he didnt sign here...
Thats a lot of bad luck almosts in a few years.
Yeah and course the ultimate draft brainfart by Cuban himself...overruling the Giannis pick
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07-01-2015, 09:00 PM
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The big reason is probably that other players don't see the Mavs as long term contenders.
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07-01-2015, 09:01 PM
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The big reason is probably that other players don't see the Mavs as long term contenders.
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And we won't be as long as they don't come here... Catch-22.
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07-01-2015, 09:29 PM
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And we won't be as long as they don't come here... Catch-22.
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They needed to hit and retain better non star level pieces... Needed to do a better job in the draft even though they drafted late... And needed to have usage of assets not blow up in their faces. Sure, some of it hindsight... Some of it isn't.
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07-01-2015, 11:07 PM
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I mean really. Cubes had to look Jordan in the eye saying Dirk has a better last run than Pierce right?
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07-01-2015, 11:08 PM
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@ramonashelburne: DeAndre Jordan told a Clippers teammate after the season that he was probably coming back. If he leaves it's because someone swayed him
@ramonashelburne: Have to think Pierce felt pretty good about Clippers chances with DJ before he committed to LA
The more optimistic Ramona Shelburne gets, the better I feel about us signing Jordan... I saw her use this defense mechanism with Dwight -- she's getting nervous.
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@ramonashelburne: Rising concern tonight in Clipperland about DeAndre Jordan bolting. They were confident until today, now feel it's "50-50"
My girl Shel is starting to crack after trying to stay optimistic all day... It's Dwight Howard all over again in LA!
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07-01-2015, 11:09 PM
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@ramonashelburne
Rising concern tonight in Clipperland about DeAndre Jordan bolting. They were confident until today, now feel it's "50-50"
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07-01-2015, 11:14 PM
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Ha, I totally called 50%. I totally rule the interwebs forever.
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07-01-2015, 11:19 PM
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@BA_Turner: DJ will meet with the Knicks Thursday at 10 a.m., Clippers at 5 p.m. Thursday, per source.
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07-02-2015, 09:36 AM
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@BA_Turner: DJ will meet with the Knicks Thursday at 10 a.m., Clippers at 5 p.m. Thursday, per source.
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What are the Clips going to say. You were the third option before and we've got a new small forward that pushes you down to the 4th option?
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07-02-2015, 09:47 AM
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What are the Clips going to say. You were the third option before and we've got a new small forward that pushes you down to the 4th option?
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Or how Doc Rivers is out of touch at coaching. Big example when they blew it on closing out the rockets in the playoffs.
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07-01-2015, 11:19 PM
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Ramona the Pest
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07-01-2015, 11:20 PM
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Cubes was actually serious about winning championships talking to Jordan
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07-01-2015, 11:35 PM
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Cubes was actually serious about winning championships talking to Jordan
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Are the other teams sarcastic?
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07-01-2015, 11:53 PM
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Are the other teams sarcastic?
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07-02-2015, 12:14 AM
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Swaggy P is actually serious about talking championships.
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07-02-2015, 12:37 AM
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David Baumann: Source: Mavs are “optimistic” they lured DeAndre from LAC after meetings today. Prior to FA, DJ texted @RyanTotka “really considering it.”
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07-02-2015, 12:44 AM
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David Baumann: Source: Mavs are “optimistic” they lured DeAndre from LAC after meetings today. Prior to FA, DJ texted @RyanTotka “really considering it.”
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Ryan Totka runs Athlete Promotions, an agency that books sports celebrity appearances, with a focus on brand-building... Both Mark Cuban and Dez Bryant are his clients, among others.
Interesting.
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07-02-2015, 12:48 AM
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David Baumann: Source: Mavs are “optimistic” they lured DeAndre from LAC after meetings today. Prior to FA, DJ texted @RyanTotka “really considering it.”
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Its far from a sure thing but I must say its nice to get some encouraging news atleast. You get Deandre out of the way and then you can move on through free agency.
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07-02-2015, 02:29 AM
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Was Deandre Jordan's twitter always blue??
Psych.
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07-02-2015, 05:25 AM
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To secure Jordan... hire anyone who has ever meant something special to DJ...
I would go so far as to hire his old High School Coach, HS Teamamtes, AAU Friends, Uncles, Cousins, et al. Cuban could find jobs for these guys from locker room assistants to ticket sellers to beer vendors etc...
We go all in on this. Go BIG or go home.
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07-02-2015, 11:39 AM
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To secure Jordan... hire anyone who has ever meant something special to DJ...
I would go so far as to hire his old High School Coach, HS Teamamtes, AAU Friends, Uncles, Cousins, et al. Cuban could find jobs for these guys from locker room assistants to ticket sellers to beer vendors etc...
We go all in on this. Go BIG or go home.
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07-02-2015, 09:51 AM
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Just decide today and dont "sleep over it"
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07-02-2015, 11:51 AM
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@espn_macmahon: Source says Mavs would consider a salary-dump deal for Roy Hibbert if DeAndre Jordan doesn't choose Dallas. But still hopeful about DJ.
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07-02-2015, 11:52 AM
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@espn_macmahon: Source says Mavs would consider a salary-dump deal for Roy Hibbert if DeAndre Jordan doesn't choose Dallas. But still hopeful about DJ.
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In all seriousness I'm getting sad thinking of this. Really sad.
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07-02-2015, 11:55 AM
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Probably Felton for Hibbert...so we would kind of "just" pay 10m for Hibbert....
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