11-01-2009, 12:29 PM
|
#1
|
Guru
Join Date: May 2001
Location: sport
Posts: 39,432
|
A follow up on hitman's thread.
So, now the mods are deciding what's thread worthy? That's out of line from a mod in my opinion. If it's not repetitive but something that won't necessarily generate alot of interest, the thread will die a quick death. There's no reason for Mods to micro manage this forum.
Last edited by Murphy3; 11-01-2009 at 12:32 PM.
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 12:51 PM
|
#2
|
Lazy Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Lazytown
Posts: 18,721
|
I so wanted to merge this with Hitman's thread, but the whine fest that would have ensued would not have been worth it. It would have been funny though.
We merge threads all the time. There's nothing wrong with directing the flow of posting. Without that, you get what DB.com has, an unreadable forum.
His original post had nothing of any substance. If it had included an article worth discussing I would have left it.
You don't agree that's fine, it's not a huge issue.
Last edited by jthig32; 11-01-2009 at 12:56 PM.
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 04:56 PM
|
#3
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Jul 2001
Posts: 8,668
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by jthig32
I so wanted to merge this with Hitman's thread, but the whine fest that would have ensued would not have been worth it. It would have been funny though
|
I would have totally supported you doing that for the lulz.
__________________
"Ok, Go Mavericks!"
-Avery Johnson
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 05:05 PM
|
#4
|
Golden Member
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,431
|
But don't you understand the value of having a debate over specific things? Danilo Gallinari is a young newcomer to the NBA who has a lot of hype. He has played in the first few games of the season. I, as a member of this website since 2002 have been impressed by his play and started a thread considering the prospect of Gallinari someday over taking Dirk as the greatest player to ever come from Europe.
And this thread is deemed unworthy and lumped into the "General NBA watching thread." If you are not interested in the thread, don't post in it. But the micro-managing that goes on is detrimental to the community here.
Pointing out the fact that- that is ridiculous- is not whining.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jthig32
I so wanted to merge this with Hitman's thread, but the whine fest that would have ensued would not have been worth it. It would have been funny though.
We merge threads all the time. There's nothing wrong with directing the flow of posting. Without that, you get what DB.com has, an unreadable forum.
His original post had nothing of any substance. If it had included an article worth discussing I would have left it.
You don't agree that's fine, it's not a huge issue.
|
__________________
Follow me on twitter: @briancpatterson
Put Your Brand On Everyone's Lips: http://www.java-ads.com
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 05:19 PM
|
#5
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,222
|
Starting a new thread bumps another thread to the second page, where it will likely never be viewed again. Trying to defend all threads is like trying to kick yourself in the crotch.
Last edited by Dirkadirkastan; 11-01-2009 at 05:20 PM.
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 05:33 PM
|
#6
|
Golden Member
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,431
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan
Starting a new thread bumps another thread to the second page, where it will likely never be viewed again. Trying to defend all threads is like trying to kick yourself in the crotch.
|
Who is trying defend all threads?
__________________
Follow me on twitter: @briancpatterson
Put Your Brand On Everyone's Lips: http://www.java-ads.com
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 05:37 PM
|
#7
|
Golden Member
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,431
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan
Starting a new thread bumps another thread to the second page, where it will likely never be viewed again. Trying to defend all threads is like trying to kick yourself in the crotch.
|
And FYI the last two thread on main page of the NBA section are about Rashard Lewis getting suspended for 10 games and the NBA fining the Rockets and the Wolves for leaking the schedule.
Would D-M.com have suffered if those two threads were bumped to the second page?
__________________
Follow me on twitter: @briancpatterson
Put Your Brand On Everyone's Lips: http://www.java-ads.com
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 05:39 PM
|
#8
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,222
|
The board certainly won't suffer when your thread gets bumped out.
And you better agree with me, lest you become a hypocrite.
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 05:48 PM
|
#9
|
Golden Member
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,431
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan
The board certainly won't suffer when your thread gets bumped out.
And you better agree with me, lest you become a hypocrite.
|
Why are you trying to turn this into a stupid internet insult thread? You don't think the board will suffer when my thread gets bumped out? Oh god, what will I do? Dirkadirkastan doesn't think the internet message board will suffer if my thread gets bumped out. Actually, he doesn't even know anything and is just posting nonsense on a message board.
But I am not mad, oh Dirkadirkastan. You have a right to your opinion and peace be with you, my internet friend.
My point was not to insult you or anyone, merely to question why what I believe to be a perfectly acceptable post to the "General NBA watching thread" was "deleted," and moved to the General NBA thread.
You can respond with a juvenile comment about how no one will miss my posts or comments now.
Proceed.
__________________
Follow me on twitter: @briancpatterson
Put Your Brand On Everyone's Lips: http://www.java-ads.com
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 05:58 PM
|
#10
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,222
|
Actually, I was making a specific logical point. Not sure what this has to do with anyone's emotions.
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 06:09 PM
|
#11
|
Golden Member
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,431
|
And your specific, logical point was what?
That a poster who has belonged to the site for 7 years should not start be allowed to start a thread in the General NBA section comparing Dirk to Danillo Gallinari, a tall sweet shooting Euro who has lit it up in the first few games of the season?
Again, I am not asking that you agree with me that he is going to be great. Or even good. Or anything.
I am asking why I, a member of this site for 7 years, can not start a thread about an interesting topic of conversation that involves the Mavs and the NBA and the world without having it moved to the "General NBA" thread.
What was your specific, logical point again?
"Starting a new thread bumps another thread to the second page, where it will likely never be viewed again."
So, you were concerned about the fact that the 'Rashard Lewis getting suspended in the offseason' and the 'Rockets and Wolves getting fined in the offeason' stories would be bumped off the main page.
Brilliant point.
__________________
Follow me on twitter: @briancpatterson
Put Your Brand On Everyone's Lips: http://www.java-ads.com
Last edited by Hitman; 11-01-2009 at 06:11 PM.
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 06:34 PM
|
#12
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,222
|
There is a reason mods merge threads at times. If every tiny bullet point had its own thread, then most of these threads, as well as the more general ones, would continually disappear off the first page. So instead, to keep the board cleaner and more organized, the mods occasionally merge threads that cover similar topics. They will also do this if one is a subcategory of another.
If you're so concerned about the Rashard thread, they probably should have merged it too. I don't know why they didn't; I'm not a mod. Was it another horse thread?
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 06:42 PM
|
#13
|
Member
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 952
|
I wanted to start the Galinari-Thread...
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 06:55 PM
|
#14
|
Lazy Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Lazytown
Posts: 18,721
|
I guess I don't understand what you're upset about. Go have your "debate" in the thread it was moved to.
As I said to Murph, we do merge threads relatively often around here. If you want a free environment where you're free to post whatever you want whereever you want, DallasBasketball.com says "hi".
If you would like a more organized and moderated site that is possible to navigate, then this site is for you, as long as you're willing to every once in a while have your feelings hurt when you disagree with a decision to move/merge/delete a thread.
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but if we caved every time someone complained about something, we might as well just leave the board open and unmoderated.
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 07:07 PM
|
#15
|
Guru
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Cowboys Country
Posts: 23,336
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by jthig32
we might as well just leave the board open and unmoderated.
|
Good idea.
Don't we moderate it ourselves anyway? As far as I can tell, 99% of what the mods do is erase cuss words and correct thread titles.
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 07:28 PM
|
#16
|
Guru
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Cowboys Country
Posts: 23,336
|
Why hasn't this thread been moved to the appropriate forum?
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 07:37 PM
|
#17
|
Lazy Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Lazytown
Posts: 18,721
|
Which is?
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 07:58 PM
|
#18
|
Rooting for the laundry
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 21,342
|
Oh look, someone stated an opinion. Quick, I better disagree with it and start an argument...
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 08:32 PM
|
#19
|
Guru
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Cowboys Country
Posts: 23,336
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flacolaco
Oh look, someone stated an opinion. Quick, I better disagree with it and start an argument...
|
Do you have any opinions of your own?
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 09:51 PM
|
#20
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 8,195
|
the problem with the board of late has been too many "general blah blah discussion" threads. You can't discuss anything in there, cause another discussion within the same thread bumps the related posts to previous pages. How can that be better than bumping an old, tired thread off the first page of a forum? It makes more sense to keep separate discussions in their own threads (isn't that what a thread is?) and let them die natural deaths when nobody posts in them than to put them all into a single thread in which it becomes impossible to track all the posts on any given subject.
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 09:52 PM
|
#21
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 8,195
|
. . . and to delete all the useless, off-topic back and forth bickering posts that do nothing to add to the discussion underway.
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 10:01 PM
|
#22
|
Guru
Join Date: May 2001
Location: sport
Posts: 39,432
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by jthig32
I guess I don't understand what you're upset about. Go have your "debate" in the thread it was moved to.
As I said to Murph, we do merge threads relatively often around here. If you want a free environment where you're free to post whatever you want whereever you want, DallasBasketball.com says "hi".
If you would like a more organized and moderated site that is possible to navigate, then this site is for you, as long as you're willing to every once in a while have your feelings hurt when you disagree with a decision to move/merge/delete a thread.
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but if we caved every time someone complained about something, we might as well just leave the board open and unmoderated.
|
The forum is absolutely stagnant in the Mavs section.. and here you are pulling out your mod penis and pissing on a thread because...? This forum is absolutely BEGGING for content and begging for discussion in the Mavs section. The fact that you cannot see that throws up a red flag as to your competency to moderate a forum.
This forum is easy to navigate because so very little is being said the Mavs forum. So congrats. You've got your wish. Let's have one thread for the entire season..
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 10:06 PM
|
#23
|
Guru
Join Date: May 2001
Location: sport
Posts: 39,432
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin
the problem with the board of late has been too many "general blah blah discussion" threads. You can't discuss anything in there, cause another discussion within the same thread bumps the related posts to previous pages. How can that be better than bumping an old, tired thread off the first page of a forum? It makes more sense to keep separate discussions in their own threads (isn't that what a thread is?) and let them die natural deaths when nobody posts in them than to put them all into a single thread in which it becomes impossible to track all the posts on any given subject.
|
That is a huge problem. It is very difficult to have a good conversation or debate about anything when everything is posted in so few threads. The whole "off season thread" for a Mavs forum is absolutely idiotic. That completely stagnates discussion. Many people don't even open the thread because it's one big cluster f*** of different discussions.
It's fine to keep non Mavs content out of the Mavs section. It's fine to keep the threads that say "i'm new here and just wanted to say hi" out of the Mavs section. That is absolutely ok. But what has gone on here over the past several months is absolutely over the line. Threads about the Mavs that no one is interested in will die a very, very quick death. That is absolutely fine. But give the members of this site an opportunity to make that decision.. We don't need a moderator deciding that one particular Mavs topic is better than another in his opinion. If it's Mavs related and has no offensive material, the moderator should just do what has always been done on this site.. stay the hell out of the thread unless they want to contribute to the conversation.
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 10:09 PM
|
#24
|
Golden Member
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 1,650
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin
the problem with the board of late has been too many "general blah blah discussion" threads. You can't discuss anything in there, cause another discussion within the same thread bumps the related posts to previous pages. How can that be better than bumping an old, tired thread off the first page of a forum? It makes more sense to keep separate discussions in their own threads (isn't that what a thread is?) and let them die natural deaths when nobody posts in them than to put them all into a single thread in which it becomes impossible to track all the posts on any given subject.
|
I completely agree with this... I for one would like to have more specific topics of discussion.. where yeah I can bring up something in the general thread, it may be over looked if another conversation is going on in the thread at the time. It shouldnt have to have an article in the thread for it to be thread worthy.. all it should be is discussion worthy for it to be thread worthy.
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 10:16 PM
|
#25
|
Lazy Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Lazytown
Posts: 18,721
|
1. You're acting like we're moderating this board into the ground with an iron fist. This is the first time I've merged/moved a thread in quite a long time, to my memory.
2. I agree on the Generic threads. They are not the best place for discussion. Which is why I generally post stuff to them that I don't think will garner much attention. "This Itailian dude rocks" qualifies, in my opinion, so I moved it. I'm certainly open to a discussion on whether people would have preferred it be kept there, but let's not act like moving an insignificant thread is the end of the world, please.
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 10:16 PM
|
#26
|
Guru
Join Date: May 2001
Location: sport
Posts: 39,432
|
I suppose the moderators forget that the members of this forum are much more capable of taking care of the site than they could ever be...
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 10:28 PM
|
#27
|
Guru
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Cowboys Country
Posts: 23,336
|
Is Thiggy a moderator? God help us, if that's the case.
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 11:19 PM
|
#28
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 8,195
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by jthig32
1. You're acting like we're moderating this board into the ground with an iron fist. This is the first time I've merged/moved a thread in quite a long time, to my memory.
2. I agree on the Generic threads. They are not the best place for discussion. Which is why I generally post stuff to them that I don't think will garner much attention. "This Itailian dude rocks" qualifies, in my opinion, so I moved it. I'm certainly open to a discussion on whether people would have preferred it be kept there, but let's not act like moving an insignificant thread is the end of the world, please.
|
I'd prefer you closed the general topic threads. If you don't have something specific to talk about, don't post it. If you've got something specific to talk about, see if it fits in another discussion. If it doesn't, post a new thread. If no one likes it, you will get razzed into submission.
|
|
|
11-01-2009, 11:23 PM
|
#29
|
Rooting for the laundry
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 21,342
|
Well...the General NBA discussion thread serves a good purpose, just like the NFL thread.
I often feel like saying "Stupid Celtics just handed the Spurs that game at the end." or something like that, etc.
It doesn't warrant a thread, and maybe a post or two of discussion because it's likely no one else cares.
Just like some random Italian guy most of us have never heard of.
|
|
|
11-02-2009, 12:22 AM
|
#30
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 8,195
|
Being "Savovic Shocked!!!" is still one of my all time favorite D-M.com memories. Sadly, you've taken away the possibility of being "Gallinari shocked!!!!" sometime in the near future.
and a Pointless Game Comment Thread would be better than a General Discussion thread.
|
|
|
11-02-2009, 03:46 AM
|
#31
|
Golden Member
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,431
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by jthig32
I guess I don't understand what you're upset about. Go have your "debate" in the thread it was moved to.
As I said to Murph, we do merge threads relatively often around here. If you want a free environment where you're free to post whatever you want whereever you want, DallasBasketball.com says "hi".
If you would like a more organized and moderated site that is possible to navigate, then this site is for you, as long as you're willing to every once in a while have your feelings hurt when you disagree with a decision to move/merge/delete a thread.
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but if we caved every time someone complained about something, we might as well just leave the board open and unmoderated.
|
I'm not trying to be a jerk, and you are right it is not a big deal, but I think you are too over zealous in your responsibilities as a thread merger.
I never, ever click on this insane "season" threads that are filled 95% pointless dribble that I am not interested in.
You should have left the post where it was. Just admit it and we can all move on.
__________________
Follow me on twitter: @briancpatterson
Put Your Brand On Everyone's Lips: http://www.java-ads.com
|
|
|
11-02-2009, 04:56 AM
|
#32
|
Golden Member
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,431
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by jthig32
2. I agree on the Generic threads. They are not the best place for discussion. Which is why I generally post stuff to them that I don't think will garner much attention. "This Itailian dude rocks" qualifies, in my opinion, so I moved it. I'm certainly open to a discussion on whether people would have preferred it be kept there, but let's not act like moving an insignificant thread is the end of the world, please.
|
The post was not "This Italian dude rocks"
I attended the Knicks game @ MSG on Saturday night. I watched Danilo Gallinari, a tall, sweet shooting Euro in basically his rookie season and came away thoroughly impressed. Every person in the building was like, "Holy Shit. This guy is like Nowitzki. Could he be better?" Thought to myself- "I'll post that to D-M.com. Surely the "General NBA Section" of that site would be enhanced by a thread devoted to that topic, even as it demoted threads such as "Rashard Lewis gets suspended during the offseason" and "The Spurs got fined $25,000 in August."
Was the thread long? No. Did it contain a link to an article? No. It was an attempt to start a discussion, and as I stated previously, there are very few "good threads" started anymore. Everything is buried in "The Official Season Thread," "The Official Off Season Thread," "The Game Day Thread," and the the "Post Game Thread."
And Flacolaco, maybe you have never heard of him, but isn't part of the reason you visit an internet message board to learn things that you don't already know?
Whatever. It seems around here, you can't start a discussion without it being moved to the "General" thread and you can't state an opinion without being insulted by hacks.
Did I mention this place was not as dynamic as it used to be?
__________________
Follow me on twitter: @briancpatterson
Put Your Brand On Everyone's Lips: http://www.java-ads.com
|
|
|
11-02-2009, 05:50 AM
|
#33
|
Rooting for the laundry
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 21,342
|
Quote:
Did I mention this place was not as dynamic as it used to be?
|
Let's talk about this instead. This sounds like it needs a little exposition.
|
|
|
11-02-2009, 09:07 AM
|
#34
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 8,195
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flacolaco
Let's talk about this instead. This sounds like it needs a little exposition.
|
general discussion threads stagnate the board.
they pull discussion out of otherwise active threads, and reduce some portion of the discussion group down to those few willing to slog through the other topics and the drivel in order to maintain some semblance of a discussion on any one topic. You end up with multiple overlapping threads in the same discussion that can't go as deep as they otherwise would, and include fewer posters than they otherwise would. That kind of posting is exactly what the invention of threaded discussions was supposed to correct.
Last edited by Usually Lurkin; 11-02-2009 at 09:12 AM.
|
|
|
11-02-2009, 09:33 AM
|
#35
|
Lazy Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Lazytown
Posts: 18,721
|
This is such an over dramatization. There is little, if anything at all, in the General NBA thread that would elicit any discussion at all in its own thread. It is almost all random thoughts that would otherwise have nowhere to go.
We can discuss whether the thread I merged deserved to stand on its own. That's enough of a gray area that I'm certainly willing to let similar threads stand if that's the consensus. But on the whole I think the General threads have their place and have been very useful. And I think most of the regular posters would agree with that.
And for the record, let it be noted that I mocked the General Mavs thread for 2009. THAT is going overboard. I'm with you on that. But the general offseason thread? It was great.
Last edited by jthig32; 11-02-2009 at 09:34 AM.
|
|
|
11-02-2009, 12:45 PM
|
#36
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 8,195
|
right now in the general nba thread, it looks like there is what might be a pretty good discussion on how Euros in the league are doing. Unfortunately, it's mixed up with posts about Rambis' goggles, how petulant the celtics are, and long dead opinions about Carmelo v. LeBron.
|
|
|
11-02-2009, 04:12 PM
|
#37
|
Member
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 952
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin
right now in the general nba thread, it looks like there is what might be a pretty good discussion on how Euros in the league are doing. Unfortunately, it's mixed up with posts about Rambis' goggles, how petulant the celtics are, and long dead opinions about Carmelo v. LeBron.
|
so why isnt a mod creating new threads...
|
|
|
11-11-2009, 07:14 PM
|
#38
|
Golden Member
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: In The Paint
Posts: 1,897
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flacolaco
Oh look, someone stated an opinion. Quick, I better disagree with it and start an argument...
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by chumdawg
Do you have any opinions of your own?
|
He must because he has 19,569 post to your 19,538.
|
|
|
11-11-2009, 08:52 PM
|
#39
|
Rooting for the laundry
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 21,342
|
Well, 15,238 of those were gay jokes, so...
|
|
|
11-12-2009, 02:16 PM
|
#40
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,531
|
My cat has diarrhea.
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:30 AM.
|