10-28-2010, 10:10 AM
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Iggy wants out if the Sixers still suck at deadline
Chris Broussard report.
Well, i definatly could see this. I also dont see the Sixers getting huge talent since Iggy is not even a clear Robin (lack of scoring/shooting ability) + his contract. Dumping Iggy with Brand wont happen, just a dumping with Noci.
Thats my favorite trade:
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade...radeid=5719605
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Kidd combined with Roddy, Iggy and Chandler would be definatly sick.
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10-28-2010, 10:20 AM
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DO IT NOW!
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10-28-2010, 10:36 AM
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I agree UD...do it!
Iggy is a clear upgrade over Caron as the SF, and maybe Marion can backup Dirk, that would leave Nocioni to backup Iggy
we still need a backup PG
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10-28-2010, 11:54 AM
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we still need a backup PG
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Would DJ Agustin be a good fit for that?
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10-28-2010, 12:23 PM
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Would DJ Agustin be a good fit for that?
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I would play him over JJB...however there are better fits than Augustine
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10-28-2010, 12:31 PM
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They just made Augustine their starter (he earned that spot). What are you giving them.. for their starting pg?
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10-28-2010, 12:58 PM
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Iggy to Dallas
Just DO IT!!!
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10-28-2010, 01:24 PM
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PLEASE!
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10-28-2010, 04:16 PM
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Pretty sure the Sixers would ask for Roddy. Turner is a 6'7" "point guard" and we definitely need scoring.
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10-28-2010, 08:12 PM
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Honestly I would give up Roddy for Iggy but also making sure that we rgettin back a lil more if we are doing Roddy and Butler.
We need players now and IMO Roddy is good but not the one that can save us if we need saving
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10-29-2010, 11:50 AM
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I wouldn't give up Roddy before seeing what he can bring to the team this year.
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10-29-2010, 12:13 PM
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I wouldn't give up Roddy before seeing what he can bring to the team this year.
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I agree with you.We must see how he will be play with our team
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10-29-2010, 01:37 PM
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am I nuts?....I would give up Roddy in a second for Iggy!!!
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10-29-2010, 02:53 PM
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am I nuts?....I would give up Roddy in a second for Iggy!!!
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Yes!...I would take at least 10 minutes before i decide to pull the trigger
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10-29-2010, 03:50 PM
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Yes!...I would take at least 10 minutes before i decide to pull the trigger
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I now see that you are wise.
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10-29-2010, 04:23 PM
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no need to include Roddy in any deal unless we're getting back CP or Melo. and man our defense would be sick with this lineup on the floor:
Chandler
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10-29-2010, 04:47 PM
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Am I the only one who thinks this starting lineup Kidd, Iggy, Marion, Nowitzki, Chandler might not work so well in playoffs? There will be a lot of zone defence played against us. As we know there's good chance Terry's shot will not be there and Barea is quite useless against zone. With Iggy and Marion, its quite hard to creat good ISO's for Dirk. Also with 3-2 or 2-3 zone defense we have to send Iggy and Marion to attack from wings. But when they will miss it, then it can leave Nowitzki and Kidd quite offten against PG+SG or maybe even with 3-2 PG+SG+SF vs them on fast break. And its quite awful when they try to defend fast breaks together.
With Butler + Roddy I would say no to this trade, but with only Butler... I would think about it. Because Kidd, Roddy, Iggy, Nowitzki, Chandler is quite nicely balanced starting lineup.
I don't know how high is Roddy's trading value but 3 way deal Roddy+Marion+Stevenson+one France guy+pick+cash for Iggy+Nocioni is nice dream.
Kidd
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10-29-2010, 06:16 PM
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Butler AND Roddy sounds like a lot for Iggy, presuming that Roddy can indeed turn into the player anyone in and around DFW hopes. Even Iggy for Butler might not make us contenders, unless said Roddy really becomes something special in a short period of time.
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10-30-2010, 04:48 AM
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The only way I would put Roddy is a deal for Iggy is if the 76ers put Marreese Speights in the deal.
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10-30-2010, 05:16 AM
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You people just don't get it. As good as Kidd plays sometimes he becomes a real libility in the playoffs when people have time to plan for him. It is also essential for our team to be able to have an answer for the quick points that are in the league. It is also not a given that certain players can play together and complement each other. How many of you thought Butler would be the answer but now after less than a year it's trade Butler time. the most important position on a team aside from Super Super stars is the point. When you have the opportunity to develop someone with the potential that Roddy has and you throw him in as an add on to get an unknown result, then you should all just stick with fantesy basketball where team chemistry plays absolutely no part and all their numbers just transfer over from team to team.
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10-30-2010, 04:08 PM
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Butler + Roddy for Iggy? I don't know why this was even brought up. I know Iggy plays defense and stuff, but he only scores about 18 a game and doesn't shoot the three well. Sure, I'd say he's an upgrade over Caron, but I'm not sure I'd even give up Butler + Dojo for Iggy.
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The only way I would put Roddy is a deal for Iggy is if the 76ers put Marreese Speights in the deal.
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I've heard the name, but I don't know much about him. He looks like a young center who can score a little and sucks at defense (at least shot blocking, which is kind of important). Why do you like him?
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10-30-2010, 06:47 PM
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Speights provides nothing but scoring, he has a terrible bb iq. Kind of the PF version of Al Thornton.
And i dont like to give up Butler AND Roddy.
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11-01-2010, 11:49 AM
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Speights was good his rookie year but he hurt his knee and has been suspect ever since. Elton Brand called him out for his lack of rebounding and that fact he doesn't pas the ball once he gets the ball.
Iggy would have been great for this team before he became the #1 option for Philly. Prior to that he was a pure slasher while still being able to create for others. He was told by the coaching staff to work on his jump shot and he came back with this rainbow looking shot. He hasn't been the same since.
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11-01-2010, 02:32 PM
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You people just don't get it. As good as Kidd plays sometimes he becomes a real libility in the playoffs when people have time to plan for him. It is also essential for our team to be able to have an answer for the quick points that are in the league. It is also not a given that certain players can play together and complement each other. How many of you thought Butler would be the answer but now after less than a year it's trade Butler time. the most important position on a team aside from Super Super stars is the point. When you have the opportunity to develop someone with the potential that Roddy has and you throw him in as an add on to get an unknown result, then you should all just stick with fantesy basketball where team chemistry plays absolutely no part and all their numbers just transfer over from team to team.
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11-01-2010, 02:45 PM
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The problem I've always had with Iguodala trade speculation in the past is that the combination of he and Kidd in the back-court just wouldn't work, for obvious reasons. However, now that Carlisle has made it clear that one of the SF's (Marion so far) is going to come off of the bench, I think an Iguodala trade makes way more sense.
For me to get on board with this, the following criteria must be met:
- Iguodala must replace BUTLER in the lineup, not the starting 2 guard. It seems reasonabale to assume that he will, since Butler is really the only piece that would interest Philly - he gives them the right combo of covering for the hole left by Iggy this season and improving financial flexibility going forward.
- After the trade, Kidd must continue to be paired with a smaller guard who has a chance to keep up with the other team's PG - regardless of what the change in personell does to the team's "ego balance".
- Neither Tyson Chandler nor Roddy Beaubois can be included in the deal.
Iggy can play the 2, but not with Kidd. If he's meant simply as an upgrade at the 3 over the ill-fitting Butler, though, I'm all over it.
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11-01-2010, 04:43 PM
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The problem I've always had with Iguodala trade speculation in the past is that the combination of he and Kidd in the back-court just wouldn't work, for obvious reasons. However, now that Carlisle has made it clear that one of the SF's (Marion so far) is going to come off of the bench, I think an Iguodala trade makes way more sense.
For me to get on board with this, the following criteria must be met:
- Iguodala must replace BUTLER in the lineup, not the starting 2 guard. It seems reasonabale to assume that he will, since Butler is really the only piece that would interest Philly - he gives them the right combo of covering for the hole left by Iggy this season and improving financial flexibility going forward.
- After the trade, Kidd must continue to be paired with a smaller guard who has a chance to keep up with the other team's PG - regardless of what the change in personell does to the team's "ego balance".
- Neither Tyson Chandler nor Roddy Beaubois can be included in the deal.
Iggy can play the 2, but not with Kidd. If he's meant simply as an upgrade at the 3 over the ill-fitting Butler, though, I'm all over it.
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Agreed. The key for me is that third bullet point: having to give up Butler AND another useful piece is not at all worth it for Iguodala. Especially Roddy, but also Chandler or Jones or Marion or maybe even Mahimni (and obviously contracts factor in; the point I'm trying to make is that Butler is not so much worse than Iggy that another player is required to make up that difference. If Philadelphia wants something else, and they are gaining financial flexibility with this, which should help, then they shouldn't ask for much besides a second rounder or something similar).
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11-01-2010, 05:46 PM
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Agreed. The key for me is that third bullet point: having to give up Butler AND another useful piece is not at all worth it for Iguodala. Especially Roddy, but also Chandler or Jones or Marion or maybe even Mahimni (and obviously contracts factor in; the point I'm trying to make is that Butler is not so much worse than Iggy that another player is required to make up that difference. If Philadelphia wants something else, and they are gaining financial flexibility with this, which should help, then they shouldn't ask for much besides a second rounder or something similar).
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Yes to all of this. Iggy gets to the rack better, plays better defense than Caron and is a better passer- but with that contract there's no way Philly should expect much more in return. Roddy and Chandler are keepers unless we're getting back a Paul/Okafor or Melo/Birdman. which as we all know is extremely unlikely.
best offer should be something like Iggy/Nocioni for Caron/DeShawn/2nd/cash
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11-01-2010, 10:10 PM
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We should have jumped all over a Maggette deal. Mega FTA's...
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Yes to all of this. Iggy gets to the rack better, plays better defense than Caron and is a better passer- but with that contract there's no way Philly should expect much more in return. Roddy and Chandler are keepers unless we're getting back a Paul/Okafor or Melo/Birdman. which as we all know is extremely unlikely.
best offer should be something like Iggy/Nocioni for Caron/DeShawn/2nd/cash
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True, just like what tcat and KillerLeft wrote. Giving up Butler and another (important) rotation player for Iggy is too much and wouldn't be enough of a difference maker of a move to justify doing it. It's not that I'm completely against adding another rotation player to either Butler or Chandler's expiring contract, which we may have to do eventually, but not for Iggy.
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We should have jumped all over a Maggette deal. Mega FTA's...
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Was there a Maggette deal supposedly on the table at some point, or are you just referring to the rumors that he was available?
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11-04-2010, 02:56 PM
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we should just try to get Lou Williams, he's the best player on the sixers
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11-05-2010, 04:19 PM
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Im not trading Roddy for Iggy period, if they want anyone save Kidd, Dirk, Chandler, Roddy Id go ahead
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11-06-2010, 03:39 AM
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While we're talking about Iggy, it's perhaps worth noting that the 76ers had a horrible start into the season going 1-5. If they continued to be at the very bottom of the Eastern Conference, they would probably be much more inclined to make some changes to their going-nowhere team. Iggy and his remaining three years at $44 million could certainly be the centerpiece of these changes.
On that note, would the Mavs even be willing to take on his contract if there was something along the lines of Butler for Iggy on the table? I can't really remember the Mavs' opinion on Iggy and his contract.
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11-06-2010, 05:17 AM
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Yes to all of this. Iggy gets to the rack better, plays better defense than Caron and is a better passer- but with that contract there's no way Philly should expect much more in return. Roddy and Chandler are keepers unless we're getting back a Paul/Okafor or Melo/Birdman. which as we all know is extremely unlikely.
best offer should be something like Iggy/Nocioni for Caron/DeShawn/2nd/cash
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11-06-2010, 09:51 AM
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Throwing in Dojo wouldnt be a deal breaker either
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11-06-2010, 12:23 PM
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http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade...radeid=5726992
+ maybe cash/picks/one young France C
As much I love Roddy, this trade could really take us to the next level. Jrue Holiday would help us out with so many things. He can defend quick point guards and can play SG next to Kidd. He can even play back-up PG. And I really like the idea of him learning from Kidd and Terry. With him playing time as SG and PG, our 2nd unit would be quite nice scoring threat with:
PG: Holiday
SG: Terry
SF: Nocioni
PF: Marion
C: Haywood
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Holiday is untouchable for the Sixers, pretty sure they wouldnt trade him for Roddy+Dojo, so no way they throw him in a Iggy trade
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11-06-2010, 04:24 PM
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Holiday is untouchable for the Sixers, pretty sure they wouldnt trade him for Roddy+Dojo, so no way they throw him in a Iggy trade
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So is Roddy for us. But Beaubois got more raw skills then Holiday and could be way better player. But we don't have the time to wait and find out. When Sixers trade Iggy, they do. Add some cash and picks and theres enoght to think about. Pluss they got Louis Williams. Ofcourse in the end this can be also quite negative for us, because Roddy is like young Louis Williams with 3pt shot. So why you need for another one? So I hope FO will figure out some 3-way deal. Beacuase I think Iggy+Noci+Holiday could give us another 2-3 years to fight for championship with this team.
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I wonder if there is any actual fire in the Mavs FO for Iggy...other than all the fan's smoke.
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I wonder if there is any actual fire in the Mavs FO for Iggy...other than all the fan's smoke.
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Im pretty sure they are monitoring the situation. They know he is an upgrade to Butler and if it "just" take Dojo/future pick and taking on Nocis salary next season, then i dont see a reason why they wouldnt do it.
Iggy just hit prime, he would be beside Roddy another player for the next 4+
years.
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