Freedom of expression and islam

[EricaLubarsky]

if you really want to piss off an extremist muslim, you can befriend a jew-- and give her good rep

[Evilmav2]

I almost decided to post this in a new thread, but I figured it would fit in just as well on this one. I don't know if y'all have heard about the animated song titled 'It's in the Koran!' that Google just banned from it's search engine, but the thing is pretty darned hilarious, and in the spirit of freedom of expression, I thought I would disseminate the link for it here:

http://patrickhenry.50megs.com/


It's in the Koran!

[Drbio]

Why is this guy trying to "69" Ronald McDonald? That is just plain sacreligious.




Evil- that was great. Catchy little tune. Thanks for sharing.

[Mavdog]

Iran's envoy to Portugal questions Holocaust

Iran's ambassador to Portugal told a Portuguese radio interviewer it would have taken the Nazis 15 years to burn the corpses of 6 million people, a remark reflecting the denials of the Holocaust made by his president.

"When I was ambassador in Warsaw, I visited Auschwitz and Birkenau twice and made my calculations," ambassador Mohammed Taheri said in an interview with Portuguese state radio RTP on Tuesday.

"To incinerate 6 million people, 15 years would be necessary," he said.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad has repeatedly denied that the Holocaust, the Nazis' killing of 6 million Jews during World War Two, took place. He has also called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

More than 1.5 million people, mostly Jews, died at Auschwitz-Birkenau, a death camp set up by Nazi Germany in occupied Poland.

"When our president wants to talk about the Holocaust with historians and scientists, the whole world is against him," Taheri said, referring to plans by Ahmedinejad to organize an academic conference on what happened in the Holocaust.

"Historians need to get together to give their opinions," the envoy added.

Taheri said the publication by European newspapers of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad, outraging many Muslims and provoking widespread protests, was an Israeli conspiracy designed to cause conflict between Muslims and Christians.

"We think that this is a conspiracy by Zionists who want to put Muslims against Christians in Europe," he said.

Iran's best-selling newspaper, Hamshahri, has responded to the Muslim outrage over published cartoons of the Prophet by organizing a competition for cartoons about the Holocaust, saying it is a test of the West's vaunted freedom of speech.

[Drbio]

They don't believe that crap at all. They might brainwash a few into it, but the leaders all know of the tragic factual events that occurred at Auschwitz-Birkenau.

This is all posturing.

[dude1394]

You go bubba'...Maybe you should bring Jimmah' with you next time and you could have a duet.

Former US president Bill Clinton on Friday condemned the publication of Prophet Muhammad’s (PBUH) caricatures by European newspapers and urged countries concerned to convict the publishers. ...Talking to reporters after meeting Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz in Islamabad, Clinton said he disagreed with the caricatures and that the publication was against religious and ethical norms. He said the people’s religious convictions should be respected at all costs and the media should be disallowed to play with the religious sentiments of other faiths. He said the media could criticise any issue including governments and people, but nobody had the right to play with the sentiments of other faiths.

[kg_veteran]

Clinton thinks they should be convicted? Of what? Offending Muslims? Is that a crime in Denmark?

[Mavdog]

where did you cut from dude? the slant doesn't match any of the other news reports.

they refer to his saying all religious characatures are provocative, and news orgs and artists should respect those religions. he did say he thought it was a "mistake" to publish the cartoons.

"Media should avoid to publish that things which create gap among different religions", Clinton told media men after holding meeting with Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz in Prime Minister House here on Friday.

http://www.onlinenews.com.pk/details.php?id=93407

"He said media can criticise issues including government, policies and people but no one has the right to play with the religious sentiments."

http://pakistantimes.net/latest02180602.htm

I agree with him in large part on the self restraint by media, and there have been some "mistakes" during this episode, but the publishing of these was not one of them imo.

[dude1394]

I cut it from a pakistani news report. This link has the correction and the Pakistani link.
http://markinmexico.blogspot.com/200...s-convict.html

It looks like the "convict" part was mis-reported, you can expect that from overseas news sources.

It does illustrate however why ex-presidents should try to refrain from commenting on foreign policy (especially overseas). Unfortunately our ex-democrat presidents don't seem to have that sort of class.

[Mavdog]

he's there for an aids initiative. riots are happening. it's a news issue.

it's not really in that context our foreign policy issue either.

I gwt the feeling you would only be happy with his being mute. that's too much to ask of anybody- esp clinton- imo.

[dude1394]

Probably. I suffer from CDS fatigue.

[Mavdog]

ok, tell us. what's cds fatigue?

[kg_veteran]

Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

[dude1394]

Time for a little christian armamant.

MAIDUGURI, Nigeria - Nigerian Muslims protesting caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad attacked Christians and burned churches on Saturday, killing at least 15 people in the deadliest confrontation yet in the whirlwind of Muslim anger over the drawings.

It was the first major protest to erupt over the issue in Africa's most populous nation. An Associated Press reporter saw mobs of Muslim protesters swarm through the city center with machetes, sticks and iron rods. One group threw a tire around a man, poured gas on him and set him ablaze.

In Libya, the parliament suspended the interior minister after at least 11 people died when his security forces attacked rioters who torched the Italian consulate in Benghazi.

Right-wing Italian Reforms Minister Roberto Calderoli resigned under pressure, accused of fueling the fury in Benghazi by wearing a T-shirt emblazoned with one of the offending cartoons, first published nearly five months ago in a Danish newspaper.

Danish church officials met with a top Muslim cleric in Cairo, meanwhile, but made no significant headway in defusing the conflict.

And in what has become a daily event, tens of thousands of Muslims protested — this time in Britain, Pakistan and Austria — to denounce the perceived insult.

But it was in Nigeria, where mutual suspicions between Christians and Muslims have led to thousands of deaths in recent years, that tensions boiled over into sectarian violence.

Thousands of rioters burned 15 churches in Maiduguri in a three-hour rampage before troops and police reinforcements restored order, Nigerian police spokesman Haz Iwendi said. Iwendi said security forces arrested dozens of people in the city about 1,000 miles northeast of the capital, Lagos.

Chima Ezeoke, a Christian Maiduguri resident, said protesters attacked and looted shops owned by minority Christians, most of them with origins in the country's south.

"Most of the dead were Christians beaten to death on the streets by the rioters," Ezeoke said. Witnesses said three children and a priest were among those killed.

[Usually Lurkin]

Reaction to this Non-Sequitor cartoon sums up the value of appeasement:


http://www.ucomics.com/nonsequitur/2006/02/20/

The New Straits Times (Malaysia News) bows low before the iron fist:
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/n...cle/index_html

WE APOLOGISE. UNRESERVEDLY.


Feb 24: Obviously, we misjudged how different people would react to Wiley Millers Non Sequitur syndicated cartoon published by the New Straits Times last Monday. We have written to the Internal Security Ministry in response to its letter asking us to show cause, explaining the processes involved and how the cartoon came to be published. It is a process involving the human factor, and humans err.

their last line says it all:

And again, we will willingly accept any action deemed fit by the Government.

[Usually Lurkin]

Michelle Malkin is keeping up a good list of those things we shouldn't do because we should be afraid of Muslim reaction. The latest: No depictions of Mecca on playing cards

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004681.htm
Once again, a recap:

Depictions of Mohammed are not allowed.
Depictions of ordinary human beings and animals are not allowed.
Depictions of mosques are not allowed.
Depictions poking fun on the prohibition of depictions are not allowed.

And now, it's images of Mecca on playing cards--or rather pictures of playing cards with images of Mecca:

SRINAGAR, India, Feb 28 (Reuters) - Police in Indian Kashmir fired teargas on Tuesday to disperse hundreds of Muslims protesting the magazine publication of a picture of a playing card showing an image of Mecca, police and witnesses said. They said at least 10 protesters were detained.

More than 400 Muslim youths gathered near Lal Chowk, in the heart of Srinagar, the summer capital of Jammu and Kashmir, shouting "La Ilaha Illallah" (there is no god but Allah) ... down with India Today."

In its latest issue, the weekly published pictures of playing cards, one showing an image of Mecca. The protesters are angry because gambling is forbidden by Islam. Youths pelted police with stones and set fire to copies of the magazine, witnesses said.

Jammu and Kashmir, torn by 16 years of separatist revolt, is mainly India's only Muslim-majority state. Security has been tight across Kashmir ahead of a visit by U.S. President George W. Bush to India and Pakistan.


Kashmiri Muslim youths burn copies of an Indian magazine in Srinagar February 28, 2006. Dozens of Kashmiri youths on Tuesday took to the streets in Srinagar to protest against an Indian magazine for publishing a picture of a playing card showing an image of the Mecca. REUTERS/Danish Ismail

I spy with my little eye a word that starts with "D."
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[MFFL]

"If they want a war of religions, we are ready," Hassan Sharaf, an imam in Nablus, said in his sermon.

I feel that a religious war is probably inevitable.

[dude1394]

I think you are right MFFL. Islam just doesn't allow competing religions to exist. There will be clashes wherever islam and non-islam meet. It's happened for 60 years in the middle-east with Israel and is happening everywhere else islam comes in contact with another religion.

I think it will probably be a very long term low-intensity deal until and unless Iran gives someone a nuke. Then there is going to be some heck to pay.

[Mavdog]

Sorry, I disagree.

The very same accusations that you make about Islam- that it "doesn't allow competing religions to exist"- could have been said of christianity as recently as the 19th century. ever hear of the pogroms in eastern europe? It changed.

Islam has historically tolerated other faiths to exist in its societies. There is a long history in the middle east of muslims, christians, jews and even animist all co-existing.

Islam will exorcise itself of these radicals who use the faith to further their hate imo.

[orangedays]

Originally Posted by dude1394

I think you are right MFFL. Islam just doesn't allow competing religions to exist. There will be clashes wherever islam and non-islam meet. It's happened for 60 years in the middle-east with Israel and is happening everywhere else islam comes in contact with another religion.

I think it will probably be a very long term low-intensity deal until and unless Iran gives someone a nuke. Then there is going to be some heck to pay.

Israel is a special case - remember, that land was Muslim-occupied for almost a millenia, how would you feel if the U.S. Government moved you off your property (that had been in your family for generations) because some Native Americans had 'original claim' to it? And then, you were forced to live in a refugee camp where there were minimal sanitary facilities, no running water, your children had to go to school in make-shift tents AND every single day when you went to work, you were subjected to taunting and hate-mongering as you waited at gates which separated Israeli-occupied territory and your land (the best example I can think of is from "The Pianist", basically any scene where Jews were crossing into and out of the ghettos under the watch of Nazi soldiers).

[Mavdog]

It is an interesting thought- if Israel had not kept the occupied lands post 67, and had withdrawn from those areas into the pre-1967 borders, would we have the scourge of terrorism today?

would the islamist be able to forment their hate towards the west if the israeli-palestinian conflict never escalated into the situation we now have?

I think not.

that is not to say that the israelis are to blame, they aren't for after all the israelis were in a basic survival mode, but at the same time their refusal to cede the occupied lands has aided the radical elements inside islam, and it has given the radicals a clearly defined enemy to focus their hate onto.

[Drbio]

Pretty short sighted although an interesting thought. People who are committed to terror will always find their "justification".

And for the record....Israel had no obligation to release those lands.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by Drbio

Pretty short sighted although an interesting thought. People who are committed to terror will always find their "justification".

And for the record....Israel had no obligation to release those lands.

and why would those who are "committed to terror" become "committed" if their basis is non-existant?

and for the record- countries who are victorious in war ARE obligated to ultimately release seized lands and NOT annex them (Hague Convention I believe)

[orangedays]

I didn't mean to come off as short-sighted, I was merely responding to that particular part of dude's post. And technically, the 'indigenous', pre-Israel populations had no obligation to leave their land - they were forced off. I mean, the current environment is already an highly imperfect compromise...what I might refer to off-handedly as a clusterf*ck, which makes me hesitant to pass any sort of definite judgment. Also, my understanding of the whole situation is admittedly not That great so I may be entirely off-base.

And a more general statement: I think it is irresponsible for people to declare (as some people in this and other threads have) that there are clashes everywhere Muslims come in contact with non-Muslims. I was in Kuala Lumpur, Penang, and a handful of other cities in Malaysia (a largely Muslim country) this past summer and there is a fantastically high level of civil society. I would even go so far as to describe it as an ideal level of peaceful co-existence - from the rural to the urban areas, on par with that of Western nations such as the United States and Italy. Buddhists co-exist with Muslims, churches sit next to mosques and temples. Another example would be the Maldives...great place, same story as Malaysia...I mean, to be honest, we need only look as far as the corner grocer in many cases to see a Muslim who works hard, and is peaceful (there are currently 8 million Muslims living in the United States [7] & Canada [1]). I encourage us to be tolerant and a little less dismissive of Islam, as a whole. To be honest, I think it is more dangerous for us (the West) to generalize Muslims as all violent rather than trying to understand them (the peaceful majority). Overall, let's just hold off on judging all Muslims for the mistakes of the few. That being said, I am in no way condoning the actions of Muslims who commit acts of violence 'in the name of Islam'. Those f*ckers deserve what's coming to them.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by orangedays

Israel is a special case - remember, that land was Muslim-occupied for almost a millenia, how would you feel if the U.S. Government moved you off your property (that had been in your family for generations) because some Native Americans had 'original claim' to it? And then, you were forced to live in a refugee camp where there were minimal sanitary facilities, no running water, your children had to go to school in make-shift tents AND every single day when you went to work, you were subjected to taunting and hate-mongering as you waited at gates which separated Israeli-occupied territory and your land (the best example I can think of is from "The Pianist", basically any scene where Jews were crossing into and out of the ghettos under the watch of Nazi soldiers).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British...e_of_Palestine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_partition_plan

I'd have to look at it a little closer. Reviewing this from wikipedia it looks like much of the violence began as typical immigration assimilation issues after being conquered during WW1. Nothing particularly outrageous like the government coming in a moving folks off their lands. Just immigration that wasn't desired. However it is obviously a very prominant reminder of the fall of the Ottoman Empire which I think has more to do with it than anyone giving a crapola about the palestinian people in the arab community.

It appears that the violence started the economy to become seperate (obviously not good as very few islamic countries have been successful with modernity). The palestininians might have a gripe, but the rest of the islamic culture either couldn't abide a non-muslim country in their midst or just used it in general to incite their populace. I suspect it was as much a mechanism to avoid the embarressment of the downfall of the islamic empire and to keep the populace of the local tyrants agitated and mad about something besides their own lack of progress.

Palestinian Arab opposition to Jewish immigration
Kibbutz Degania Alef, during the 1930s
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Kibbutz Degania Alef, during the 1930s

During the 1920s, 100,000 Jewish immigrants entered Palestine, and 6,000 non-Jewish immigrants did so as well. Jewish immigration was controlled by the Histadrut, which selected between applicants on the grounds of their political creed. Land purchased by Jewish agencies was leased on the conditions that it be worked only by Jewish labour and that the lease should not be held by non-Jews.

Initially, Jewish immigration to Palestine met little opposition from the Palestinian Arabs. However, as anti-Semitism grew in Europe during the late 19th and early 20th centuries, Jewish immigration (mostly from Europe) to Palestine began to increase markedly, creating much Arab resentment.

There was violent incitement from the Palestine Muslim leadership that led to violent attacks against the Jewish population. In some cases, land purchases by the Jewish agencies from absentee landlords led to the eviction of the Palestinian Arab tenants, who were replaced by the Jews of the kibbutzim. The Arabic speakers before World War I had the status of peasants (felaheen), and did not own their land although they might own the trees that grew on that land. When Jews, who grew up with European laws, purchased land they did not always realise that the villagers on that land owned the trees. This was often a source of misunderstanding and conflict. The olive tree is particularly important as it can remain productive for more than one thousand years.

The British government placed limitations on Jewish immigration to Palestine. These quotas were controversial, particularly in the latter years of British rule, and both Arabs and Jews disliked the policy, each side for its own reasons. In response to numerous Arab attacks on Jewish communities, the Haganah, a Jewish paramilitary organization, was formed on June 15, 1920. Tensions led to widespread violent disturbances on several occasions, notably in 1921, 1929 (primarily violent attacks by Arabs on Jews — see Hebron) and 1936-1939. Beginning in 1936, several Jewish groups such as Etzel (Irgun) and Lehi (Stern Gang) conducted their own campaigns of violence against British and Arab targets. This prompted the British government to label them both as terrorist organizations.

.......
Great Uprising

Main article: Great Uprising

In 1937, the Peel Commission proposed a partition between Jewish and Arab areas that was rejected by both the Arabs and the Zionist Congress.

In 1936-1939 the mandate experienced an upsurge in militant Arab nationalism that became known as the Great Uprising and, "The Arab Revolt." The revolt was triggered by increased Jewish immigration, primarily Jews fleeing Nazi persecution in Germany as well as rising anti-Semitism in Eastern Europe. The revolt was led or co-opted by the Grand Mufti, Haj Amin Al-Husseini and his Husseini family. The Arabs felt they were being marginalized in their own country, but in addition to non-violent strikes, they resorted to violence. Husseini's men killed more Arabs than Jews, using the revolt as an excuse to settle accounts with rival clans. The Jewish organization Etzel replied with its own terrorist campaign, with marketplace bombings and other violent acts that also killed hundreds. Eventually, the uprising was put down by the British using severe measures. After he was implicated in killing the British district commissioner for the Galilee, Haj Amin El Husseini fled first to Lebanon, then to Iraq, and finally to Germany in late 1941.

The British placed restrictions on Jewish land purchases in the remaining land, directly contradicting the provision of the Mandate which said "the Administration of Palestine... shall encourage, in cooperation with the Jewish Agency... close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not acquired for public purposes." A similar proposal to limit immigration in 1931 had been termed a violation of the mandate by the League of Nations, but by 1939 the League of Nations was defunct. According to the Israeli side, the British had by 1949 allotted over 8500 acres (34 km²) to Arabs, and about 4000 acres (16 km²) to Jews.

[dude1394]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4786322.stm

A Yemeni newspaper editor is on trial for his life after publishing the Danish Mohammed cartoons: Yemen editor ‘faces death calls’.

As a precedent for putting this editor to death, the prosecution cited the example of Mohammed himself.

[orangedays]

Ah you caught me at a bad time...I'm on break right now so only getting 10 min of d-m.com a day or so when I'm checking email.

I'll be back on campus next week and we'll pick this back up, look forward to it.

[dude1394]

This article has an interesting turn of phrase in it imo. That of the context of a "muslim nation". Especially since there is no such thing AS a muslim nation. The idea being put forward that the muslim religion constitutes a unified political entity is pretty ominous. It also forces me to take the muslim religion as an entity to be opposed.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...anged#comments

Muslim clerics in Denmark are demanding an apology from the Danish government: Clerics demand cartoon apology. (Hat tip: Gabriela.)

And they’re also demanding that Danish and European laws be changed to criminalize everything that offends them.

[dude1394]

And another nice call for assassination by the ROP.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...ors_Death&only

RoP Calls for Another Author's Death

The author of a book about Islamic repression of women is the latest target of a death sentence from the Religion of Peace™: Call for Internet Publication of Sex, Sharia and Women in the History of Islam. (Hat tip: Paul.)

This is a call for the Internet publication (and eventual translation) of the book Sex, Sharia and Women in the History of Islam by Marywan (sp. Mariwan) Halabjaye (sp. Halabjayee, Halabjayi). The book concerns how Islam is allegedly used to oppress women. Halabjaye’s book is based on an analysis of the Qur’an as well as recognized Sunnah and Hadith. “I wanted to prove how oppressed women are in Islam and that they have no rights,” says Halabjaye.

This call for Internet publication is based on the belief that the best response to those who would suppress publication of a book is to increase publication, promotion and distribution of that book. The most efficient way to do that is on the Internet. This request is also based on the belief that it would be a powerful and timely lesson if the only thing accomplished by those who seek to suppress publication of the book Sex, Sharia and Women in the History of Islam is to cause it to be published to the entire world.

The Islamic League of Kurdistan has issued a “conditional” fatwa to kill Halabjaye if he does not repent and apologize for writing the book. The “conditional” nature of the fatal fatwa is uncertain at best. Halabjaye reports that “a couple of weeks ago in Halabja, the mullahs and scholars said if I go to them and apologize they will give me 80 lashes and then refer me to the fatwa committee to decide if I am to be beheaded. They might forgive me, they might not.” As a result, Halabjaye is in hiding with his pregnant wife and three children.

This request for Internet publication is also being made, in part, because the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) has not offered Halabjaye any protection, much less arrested those who have solicited his murder and made threats against his life. “The Kurdish authorities have not provided any protection from threats and fatwas,” says Halabjaye, “any moment I am expecting a bullet or a hand grenade to be thrown into where I live.” On the contrary, in response to the Halabjaye affair the KRG Minister of Religious Issues, Dr. Mohammad Gaznayi, told protestors that, “we will give those who attack our prophets a sentence so that they can be a lesson for everyone.”

[dude1394]

Man this is really dis-heartening...when the professional organizations of muslim countries are this wacked out, I just don't know if there is much hope for that culture.

Islamic Murder Bounty

Agora reports that a Bar Association in Pakistan is offering a $120,000 reward for murdering a Danish cartoonist: Another Bounty on 12 Cartoonists’ Heads.

Pakistan: Bounty for killing Muhammed Cartoonists
March 12, 2006 13.28 Foreign News

The men behind the Danish Muhammed cartoons are today faced with another bounty on their heads from Pakistan.

It is the Bar Association who are calling for the murder of the 12 Jyllands-Posten cartoonists.

“I offer the reward of 10 Million Rupees (1 Million DKK, 120000US$) for anyone who kills one of the Cartoonists,” says Syes Athar Bukhari, the President of the Bar Association.

Bukhari is supported by the Jamaat-i-Islami party, the second-largest part of the Pakistani coalition government. The local leader, Rao Zafar Iqbal, says that the mebers of the party are willing to die for this sacred cause.

During the demonstration in the city of Multan Danish, Norwegian, Italian, Israeli and American flag were burned, and shouts of “Death to Denmark” were heard.

[Murphy3]

Just think how good a defender a suicide bomber would be on someone like Kobe Bryant....Is it possible to get one signed? Would he be worth waving Powell, PavelP, or Marshall?

[orangedays]

Probably Marshall since we already have Q and Stack. It'd work out pretty well because we'd only have to bring the bomber on for a 10-day...

[FreshJive]

“I offer the reward of 10 Million Rupees (1 Million DKK, 120000US$) for anyone who kills one of the Cartoonists,”

Is this offer only for Muslims? I'm sure a Danish smack junky would do the job for alot less.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

Just think how good a defender a suicide bomber would be on someone like Kobe Bryant....Is it possible to get one signed? Would he be worth waving Powell, PavelP, or Marshall?

The problem with suicide bombers is that they are one-shot players. They'd make better relief pitchers than NBA players because they tend to drink and go to American strip clubs, living decadent lives until the split second they actually do their jobs.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

Iran's envoy to Portugal questions Holocaust

Iran's ambassador to Portugal told a Portuguese radio interviewer it would have taken the Nazis 15 years to burn the corpses of 6 million people, a remark reflecting the denials of the Holocaust made by his president.

"When I was ambassador in Warsaw, I visited Auschwitz and Birkenau twice and made my calculations," ambassador Mohammed Taheri said in an interview with Portuguese state radio RTP on Tuesday.

"To incinerate 6 million people, 15 years would be necessary," he said.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad has repeatedly denied that the Holocaust, the Nazis' killing of 6 million Jews during World War Two, took place. He has also called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

More than 1.5 million people, mostly Jews, died at Auschwitz-Birkenau, a death camp set up by Nazi Germany in occupied Poland.

The ignorance of these people is truly incredible. It's hilarious and tragic at the same time when he says that it would take 15 years to incinerate 6 million people as if that were the number of people that were killed in the Holocaust. Actually, it was about 6 million JEWS that were killed in the death camps.

The total number of human beings (gypsies, slavs, enemies of the state etc...) that died in camps like Auschwitz, Dachau, Sobibor, Bergen-Belsen and others is closer to 11 million. The whole assortment of gas chambers, usually disguised as shower rooms, and the cremetories used to dispose of the bodies that the Nazi regime used in camps throughout Eastern Europe were capable of killing and burning 60,000 people PER DAY. Had the Red Army not been victorious, there probably would not be a single Jew living in Europe today, and that would've been accomplished well before the "necessary" 15 years were up.

[Drbio]

Attention all radical muslims......

Your version of Mohammad can go ass hump a pig

Thank you for listening to my right to free speech.

[Drbio]

This bullcrap has gotten out of hand.....now a university paper editor has been fired in Illinois.

CHAMPAIGN, Illinois (AP) -- An editor who chose to publish caricatures of Prophet Mohammed in the University of Illinois' student-run newspaper last month has been fired, the paper's publisher announced Tuesday.

Acton H. Gorton was suspended, with pay, from The Daily Illini days after the Feb. 9 publication of the cartoons, which sparked Muslim protests around the world after they first appeared in a Danish newspaper.

At the time, Daily Illini publishers said the action was taken against Gorton not for publishing the cartoons, but for failing to discuss it with others in the newsroom first.

The Illini Media Co. board of directors, which comprises students and faculty, voted unanimously to fire the editor after a review "found that Gorton violated Daily Illini policies about thoughtful discussion of and preparation for the publication of inflammatory material," according to a statement.

Gorton has said he sought out advice from The Daily Illini's former editor-in-chief and others before deciding to run the cartoons. He has said that accusations he tried to hide his decision were wrong.

On Tuesday, he called his firing a blow against free speech on college campuses.

"If I can be fired, what will other students think who maybe want to challenge the status quo?" said Gorton, who had briefly addressed a board meeting the previous night. "This is a bad precedent."

Gorton said he intends to sue the publishers of The Daily Illini, citing, among other complaints, unlawful dismissal.

Board member Adam Jung said he is confident the company "has acted properly on this issue."

The paper's opinions page editor, Chuck Prochaska, also was suspended for his role in publishing the cartoons. He declined to be reinstated, the board said.

Prochaska said he and Gorton moved quickly to publish the cartoons because they were newsworthy.

"We had a news story on our hands, with violence erupting about imagery, but you can't show it because of a taboo, because of a taboo that's not a Western taboo but a Muslim taboo?" he said. "That's a blow to journalism."

[Drbio]

Originally Posted by Drbio

Attention all radical muslims......

Your version of Mohammad can go ass hump a pig

Thank you for listening to my right to free speech.

So I say it again.

[orangedays]

That's not very offensive...the gibbly bits aren't even lined up.

[Drbio]

I wish I could photoshop that mohammed pic with the bomb on his head to a guy humping a pig.