GDT: Mavs@Jazz Playoff game 4 3:30pm CST

[JTmoney2424]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Fuck Gobert, and fuck those trash refs.

Gobert did all he could to keep the Mavs in the game with all those missed free throws. The mavs played like shit in the 4th quarter and if they were even average that quarter, it doesn’t come down to a Powell choke job

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by JTmoney2424

Gobert did all he could to keep the Mavs in the game with all those missed free throws. The mavs played like shit in the 4th quarter and if they were even average that quarter, it doesn’t come down to a Powell choke job

Yeah I don't get all this ref hate.

The FT's were about even and TBH with the game in Utah you'd usually see the Jazz have a huge FT disparity.

BUt they called fouls both ways.....

Bottom line is Gobert killed the Mavs on the boards. Yes he's big and strong but if you go back and watch that 4th Qtr some of those rebounds were because Powell was not looking to box out. He was out of position often and the 1st thing you teach a big is to locate his man and box out.

If dude grabs just 2 defensive rebounds in that QTR the Mavs win

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Yeah I don't get all this ref hate.

The FT's were about even and TBH with the game in Utah you'd usually see the Jazz have a huge FT disparity.

BUt they called fouls both ways.....

Bottom line is Gobert killed the Mavs on the boards. Yes he's big and strong but if you go back and watch that 4th Qtr some of those rebounds were because Powell was not looking to box out. He was out of position often and the 1st thing you teach a big is to locate his man and box out.

If dude grabs just 2 defensive rebounds in that QTR the Mavs win

42 to 23 is even?? They almost doubled us in FT attempts.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by BPo001

42 to 23 is even?? They almost doubled us in FT attempts.

That # went up significantly after the Mavs decided to intentionally hack a Gobert in the 4th QTR though

It wasn't like Mitchell and BOG's were the guys getting to the FT line in that 4th Qtr

It was the Mavs strategy to make Rudy beat them on FT's if he got the offensive rebound which of course he did every damn possession it seemed like.

[JTmoney2424]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Yeah I don't get all this ref hate.

The FT's were about even and TBH with the game in Utah you'd usually see the Jazz have a huge FT disparity.

BUt they called fouls both ways.....

Bottom line is Gobert killed the Mavs on the boards. Yes he's big and strong but if you go back and watch that 4th Qtr some of those rebounds were because Powell was not looking to box out. He was out of position often and the 1st thing you teach a big is to locate his man and box out.

If dude grabs just 2 defensive rebounds in that QTR the Mavs win

I don’t think the refs were that bad outside of missing a few over the backs and elbow shots by Gobert. Most of the fouls today were pretty legit and intentional. Especially against Gobert in the 4th. The Mavs have to find a way to put a body on him when the shots go up. It’s too easy for Gobert playing against a smurf team like the Mavs.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by JTmoney2424

I don’t think the refs were that bad outside of missing a few over the backs and elbow shots by Gobert. Most of the fouls today were pretty legit and intentional. Especially against Gobert in the 4th. The Mavs have to find a way to put a body on him when the shots go up. It’s too easy for Gobert playing against a smurf team like the Mavs.

Man, 3 of Maxi fouls were phantom. It's the playoffs and there were ridiculous ones called on him.

You just said "I don't think they were that bad outside of a few over the backs and elbow shots by Gobert." By your own estimation that's 4 or 5 fouls alone. If you're being sarcastic and I missed it, my bad but they all matter. When refs miss 5-8 fouls that makes a big difference.

I'm not saying the refs were the biggest reason we lost. Shit happens, but let's be real here the missed calls and phantom calls should have be noticeable to everyone outside Utah.

[JTmoney2424]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Man, 3 of Maxi fouls were phantom. It's the playoffs and there were ridiculous ones called on him.

You just said "I don't think they were that bad outside of a few over the backs and elbow shots by Gobert." By your own estimation that's 4 or 5 fouls alone. If you're being sarcastic and I missed it, my bad but they all matter. When refs miss 5-8 fouls that makes a big difference.

I'm not saying the refs were the biggest reason we lost. Shit happens, but let's be real here the missed calls and phantom calls should have be noticeable to everyone outside Utah.

Actually, it wasn’t sarcasm but that’s just little faith I have in refs when you play in an opposing arena. You expect that many so I figured they could be even worse. I think they were much worse in game 3 though.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Yeah I don't get all this ref hate.

The FT's were about even and TBH with the game in Utah you'd usually see the Jazz have a huge FT disparity.

BUt they called fouls both ways.....

Bottom line is Gobert killed the Mavs on the boards. Yes he's big and strong but if you go back and watch that 4th Qtr some of those rebounds were because Powell was not looking to box out. He was out of position often and the 1st thing you teach a big is to locate his man and box out.

If dude grabs just 2 defensive rebounds in that QTR the Mavs win

Free throws were about even? Wtf? 42 - 23 so if you mean we had half as many then yes, about even.

When you actually go back and watch the 4th quarter and you'll see Maxi face planting back down to earth. Powell didn't come back in until 5:35. Then he immediatelywent back out for Maxi who was 5 feet behind the line anytime he got the ball and not ready to shoot. Maxi fouled out at 4:19. So Powell played maybe 5 mins in the 4th.
- He boxed out well at 3:42 and wasn't credited with a rebound because Gobert smashed Luka in the face and somehow got called for a foul.
- Powell finishes a tough lob after that.
-At 2:36 he gets hit in the face and gets called for a foul.
- 2:08 Luka straps the ball clean from Gobert and takes an elbow /forearm to the face. No way that's a jump ball.
-1:43 Powell gets an offensive rebound and fouled. Hits 2 free throws.
-:57 seconds Powell gets a defensive rebound after being in perfect position to help against Mitchell driving.
-:31 seconds he stops Mitchell from scoring at the rim and gets hit in the head. Luka fouls and 1.
-:19 seconds Powell makes a good cut and catch then misses 2 free throws.
-:11 seconds DFS fails to switch to Gobert and Luka has no time to slide over on the pNr defense and Gobert gets a free lob finish. Powell executed his assignment.

Powell had 11p 7 rebs. 2 rebs in the 4th so idk what you think you saw. Just say you're mad that DP missed those 2 free throws.

Meanwhile Maxi had 3pts and 6rbs and fouled out.
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[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Free throws were about even? Wtf? 42 - 23 so if you mean we had half as many then yes, about even.

When you actually go back and watch the 4th quarter and you'll see Maxi face planting back down to earth. Powell didn't come back in until 5:35. Then he immediatelywent back out for Maxi who was 5 feet behind the line anytime he got the ball and not ready to shoot. Maxi fouled out at 4:19. So Powell played maybe 5 mins in the 4th.
- He boxed out well at 3:42 and wasn't credited with a rebound because Gobert smashed Luka in the face and somehow got called for a foul.
- Powell finishes a tough lob after that.
-At 2:36 he gets hit in the face and gets called for a foul.
- 2:08 Luka straps the ball clean from Gobert and takes an elbow /forearm to the face. No way that's a jump ball.
-1:43 Powell gets an offensive rebound and fouled. Hits 2 free throws.
-:57 seconds Powell gets a defensive rebound after being in perfect position to help against Mitchell driving.
-:31 seconds he stops Mitchell from scoring at the rim and gets hit in the head. Luka fouls and 1.
-:19 seconds Powell makes a good cut and catch then misses 2 free throws.
-:11 seconds DFS fails to switch to Gobert and Luka has no time to slide over on the pNr defense and Gobert gets a free lob finish. Powell executed his assignment.

Powell had 11p 7 rebs. 2 rebs in the 4th so idk what you think you saw. Just say you're mad that DP missed those 2 free throws.

Meanwhile Maxi had 3pts and 6rbs and fouled out.
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Of those 42 FT's Rudy shot 18 of them most were from intentional fouls on him

Powell sucks plain and simple (Those lobs are less available in the playoffs)

The dude misses tons of defensive box out opportunities. Sure he might know his assignments but he's a terrible big man and can't be relied upon especially in late game situations to grab one key defensive rebound. Yes he plays hard and hustles but so does Josh Green. In fact despite Green being only 6'6 I honestly believe he would grab more rebounds in traffic late in games than Powell would on defense.

We've all seen Powell pull the same crap vs Zubac in previous post seasons getting bullied on the boards.

Maxi does have his issues at times but he isn't as irritant at Powell when it comes to defensive rebounding. But Maxi is usually out on the perimeter being asked to defend wing players much more than Powell.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Of those 42 FT's Rudy shot 18 of them most were from intentional fouls on him

Powell sucks plain and simple (Those lobs are less available in the playoffs)

The dude misses tons of defensive box out opportunities. Sure he might know his assignments but he's a terrible big man and can't be relied upon especially in late game situations to grab one key defensive rebound. Yes he plays hard and hustles but so does Josh Green. In fact despite Green being only 6'6 I honestly believe he would grab more rebounds in traffic late in games than Powell would on defense.

We've all seen Powell pull the same crap vs Zubac in previous post seasons getting bullied on the boards.

Maxi does have his issues at times but he isn't as irritant at Powell when it comes to defensive rebounding. But Maxi is usually out on the perimeter being asked to defend wing players much more than Powell.

I'm not championing Powell as a great big man. I'm saying you rattled off a lot of stuff about the 4th quarter that wasn't true. I just broke the whole thing down as I re watched it. Go back and really rewatch it. DP played his ass off. He's 4 inches shorter than Gobert and more importantly his wingspan is 9 inches less. Gobert is a fvcking monster and there's no way around it. When Powell has to step up on a switch or help on a drive there's no way anyone can do anything about Gobert getting boards if the ball is headed anywhere near him.

Yea it sucked really bad that he missed free throws.

Blame the FO for not pursuing an actual big.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Blame the FO for not pursuing an actual big.

Yeah that is definitely on the FO

For years they have neglected adding a big who can simply rebound if nothing else.

Mavs might be on a short list of teams in the Playoffs who don't have a legit big.

I would love for this team to advance to play Phoenix so I can get some playoff tickets but I know going from Gobert to Ayton is going to be brutal.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Yeah that is definitely on the FO

For years they have neglected adding a big who can simply rebound if nothing else.

Mavs might be on a short list of teams in the Playoffs who don't have a legit big.

I would love for this team to advance to play Phoenix so I can get some playoff tickets but I know going from Gobert to Ayton is going to be brutal.

It would have been nice if WCS would have worked out for us.
Kidd needs that type of tool for a series like this and most likely Phoenix if we move on.

It is imperative that gets addressed in off-season.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Of those 42 FT's Rudy shot 18 of them most were from intentional fouls on him

Powell sucks plain and simple (Those lobs are less available in the playoffs)

The dude misses tons of defensive box out opportunities. Sure he might know his assignments but he's a terrible big man and can't be relied upon especially in late game situations to grab one key defensive rebound. Yes he plays hard and hustles but so does Josh Green. In fact despite Green being only 6'6 I honestly believe he would grab more rebounds in traffic late in games than Powell would on defense.

We've all seen Powell pull the same crap vs Zubac in previous post seasons getting bullied on the boards.

Maxi does have his issues at times but he isn't as irritant at Powell when it comes to defensive rebounding. But Maxi is usually out on the perimeter being asked to defend wing players much more than Powell.

Intentional fouls or fouls to avoid an easy put back and make him earn them? Because there’s a difference in my opinion. Hack-a-Rudy is fouling him at half court before they setup the offense. Making him earn it is after he gets the ball under the hoop and is about to dunk it is different.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Free throws were about even? Wtf? 42 - 23 so if you mean we had half as many then yes, about even.

When you actually go back and watch the 4th quarter and you'll see Maxi face planting back down to earth. Powell didn't come back in until 5:35. Then he immediatelywent back out for Maxi who was 5 feet behind the line anytime he got the ball and not ready to shoot. Maxi fouled out at 4:19. So Powell played maybe 5 mins in the 4th.
- He boxed out well at 3:42 and wasn't credited with a rebound because Gobert smashed Luka in the face and somehow got called for a foul.
- Powell finishes a tough lob after that.
-At 2:36 he gets hit in the face and gets called for a foul.
- 2:08 Luka straps the ball clean from Gobert and takes an elbow /forearm to the face. No way that's a jump ball.
-1:43 Powell gets an offensive rebound and fouled. Hits 2 free throws.
-:57 seconds Powell gets a defensive rebound after being in perfect position to help against Mitchell driving.
-:31 seconds he stops Mitchell from scoring at the rim and gets hit in the head. Luka fouls and 1.
-:19 seconds Powell makes a good cut and catch then misses 2 free throws.
-:11 seconds DFS fails to switch to Gobert and Luka has no time to slide over on the pNr defense and Gobert gets a free lob finish. Powell executed his assignment.

Powell had 11p 7 rebs. 2 rebs in the 4th so idk what you think you saw. Just say you're mad that DP missed those 2 free throws.

Meanwhile Maxi had 3pts and 6rbs and fouled out.
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Must spread rep.. great breakdown