The Rick Carlisle appreciation thread

[Marvin Jackson]

Avery Johnson was a better coach. He won 58, 60 and 67 games in his three seasons.
He also really won that title in 06 but Stern was rigging it against Cuban because of the hate there.

Avery also coached a better defense.


Carlisle is the only coach in NBA history to lose 5 straight First Rounds in the playoffs and still keep his job.

I looked it up.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Marvin Jackson

Avery Johnson was a better coach. He won 58, 60 and 67 games in his three seasons.

Originally Posted by Marvin Jackson

Carlisle has never had a 60+ win season.

Counterpoint:

[Marvin Jackson]

[QUOTE=Underdog;1408853]Counterpoint:

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That's like saying Robert Horry is better than Charles Barkley. It's not a real basketball argument.

there were completely different circumstances with the 05-08 Mavericks as with the 08-16 Mavericks.

Like for one was Carlisle ever going against his coaching mentor in a series Larry Bird. no he wasn't. But Avery was nearly every series with Don Nelson and Greg Popovich. Those people raised him. It's hard to beat you're mentor when they taught you everything and also when the commissioner is rigging games against your owner because your owner is outspoken and criticizes the league and commissioner constantly form 01-08.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Marvin Jackson

That's like saying Robert Horry is better than Charles Barkley.

No it isn't -- Horry was a role-player who hitched on with some great stars, Barkley was a star who didn't have enough Robert Horrys... Apples & oranges.

Avery was a head coach who lost the Finals with Dirk & Co, Carlisle is a head coach who won the Finals with Dirk & Co... Apples & apples.

[Marvin Jackson]

Originally Posted by Underdog

No it isn't -- Horry was a role-player who hitched on with some great stars, Barkley was a star who didn't have enough Robert Horrys... Apples & oranges.

Avery was a head coach who lost the Finals with Dirk & Co, Carlisle is a head coach who won the Finals with Dirk & Co... Apples & apples.

It's not apples to apples. Avery had 3 seasons. Carlisle had 9 seasons with the Mavs. Also Avery was going against David Stern who was trying to get even with Mark Cuban. After that Mark Cuban and David Stern buried the hatchet. It was an easier path for Carlisle. Much easier. He didn't have David Stern rigging it against him and infact David Stern and Mark Cuban became friends around 2010.

Notice how they didn't send LeBron to the foul line 25 times per game like they did Wade in the 06 Finals. It's because they weren't rigging it against the Mavericks in 11 like they did in 06. So it's not Apples to Apples. It's apples to oranges. RC wouldn't never beat the Miami Heat and David Stern sending Wade to the FTL 25 times per game.

Also David Stern would do the same thing for Tim Duncan everytime the Mavs played the Spurs. Duncan would barely get touched and get 18 free throws per game against the Mavs. It was silly. Yet Still Avery somehow beat Duncan, Popovich and the Spurs in 06. He beat the best coach in the GAME. He beat his old team. Avery was the coach that taught Dallas how to first beat San Antonio and taught them what they like to do.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Marvin Jackson

It's not apples to apples. Avery had 3 seasons. Carlisle had 9 seasons with the Mavs. Also Avery was going against David Stern who was trying to get even with Mark Cuban. After that Mark Cuban and David Stern buried the hatchet. It was an easier path for Carlisle. Much easier. He didn't have David Stern rigging it against him and infact David Stern and Mark Cuban became friends around 2010.

Notice how they didn't send LeBron to the foul line 25 times per game like they did Wade in the 06 Finals. It's because they weren't rigging it against the Mavericks in 11 like they did in 06. So it's not Apples to Apples. It's apples to oranges. RC wouldn't never beat the Miami Heat and David Stern sending Wade to the FTL 25 times per game.

Also David Stern would do the same thing for Tim Duncan everytime the Mavs played the Spurs. Duncan would barely get touched and get 18 free throws per game against the Mavs. It was silly. Yet Still Avery somehow beat Duncan, Popovich and the Spurs in 06. He beat the best coach in the GAME. He beat his old team. Avery was the coach that taught Dallas how to first beat San Antonio and taught them what they like to do.

David Stern cannot melt steel beams.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Underdog

David Stern cannot melt steel beams.

So let me get this straight: Stern was behind 9/11?