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Old 08-14-2014, 06:05 PM   #1
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What a complete and utter crock of shite.
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What a complete and utter crock of shite.
Good argument dude. Now I can see the light.
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I will always be supportive of the nation Israel.

Gen. 12:3 - And I will bless those who bless you,
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Good argument dude. Now I can see the light.
Don't argue with crazy.
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It's this kind of blind obedience that scares me. Is there a limit on the horrible things they are allowed to do or will you follow them into genocide of the Palestinian people?
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Genocide of the Palestinian people. Although I believe they are probably justified in doing it, they are so far from doing genocide on the Palestinian people that using the word is ridiculous.
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I believe they are probably justified in doing it
Care to explain?

As a Jew, I have to admit that I'm extremely uncomfortable hearing or reading anyone talk about "justifiable genocide"... What, exactly, have the people of Palestine done to deserve being eradicated?
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Nothing really, more like the Israelis are Justified in using whatever means necessary to make the Palestinians stop bombing them, kidnapping their citizens and blowing up their busses, restaurants.

In other words, they are completely justified in waging total war, completely occupying and subjugating the Palestinians by any force available until they stop.
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Nothing really, more like the Israelis are Justified in using whatever means necessary to make the Palestinians stop bombing them, kidnapping their citizens and blowing up their busses, restaurants.

In other words, they are completely justified in waging total war, completely occupying and subjugating the Palestinians by any force available until they stop.
You do know that the nation of Israel was STOLEN from the Palestinian people, don't you?

If Mexico invaded Texas and shoved you and your family into a ghetto, would you not retaliate in any way possible?
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You do know that the nation of Israel was STOLEN from the Palestinian people, don't you?

If Mexico invaded Texas and shoved you and your family into a ghetto, would you not retaliate in any way possible?
From what I recall that land was desolate barren wasteland before the Israelis got there. Made it prosperous, could easily have shared that prosperity with the Palestinians but their reluctance to even allow Israelis to live sort makes a two state solution sorta...well...impossible.

With respect to your scenario, if that occurred I would expect the Mexicans to wipe me and mine off the face of the earth if me and mine could not find a way to live peacefully next to them. Strong horse and all.

If the Palestinians can not find a way to get over it, IMO the best thing the Israelis could do ( for the Israelis )would be to end it.

You make it sound as if the Israelis themselves haven't been conquered and driven out of their homeland by first Romans and then Muslims. Like history only started in 1945ish. When exactly did Islam conquer that territory anyway?

Sorry, stuff happens.
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From what I recall that land was desolate barren wasteland before the Israelis got there. Made it prosperous, could easily have shared that prosperity with the Palestinians but their reluctance to even allow Israelis to live sort makes a two state solution sorta...well...impossible.

With respect to your scenario, if that occurred I would expect the Mexicans to wipe me and mine off the face of the earth if me and mine could not find a way to live peacefully next to them. Strong horse and all.

If the Palestinians can not find a way to get over it, IMO the best thing the Israelis could do ( for the Israelis )would be to end it.

You make it sound as if the Israelis themselves haven't been conquered and driven out of their homeland by first Romans and then Muslims. Like history only started in 1945ish. When exactly did Islam conquer that territory anyway?

Sorry, stuff happens.
Gotta call bullshit, Dude... Weren't you saying something about America violently revolting if Obama got elected? I don't believe for one moment that you would peacefully cohabitate with a foreign invader if they took your home by military force. I know I certainly wouldn't, and I'm a pussy liberal pacifist.

The Jewish people were forced out of the Holy Land first by the Caligula, a Roman, then by Saladin, a Khurd (the people America teamed up with to overthrow Saddam Hussein) - the Palestinians are neither... Hell, they even fought alongside Jews against the Christians during the Second Crusade.

Zionism has always been a Western (mostly British) strategy to create unrest in the Muslim world because, well, oil and imperialism.
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What a complete and utter crock of shite.
Sry, I did not read every single word of nikobeis #1 post, but from what i know the aspects mentioned are about right.

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Gotta call bullshit, Dude... Weren't you saying something about America violently revolting if Obama got elected? I don't believe for one moment that you would peacefully cohabitate with a foreign invader if they took your home by military force. I know I certainly wouldn't, and I'm a pussy liberal pacifist.
Nope, can't recall that, about Obama. Maybe you can refresh my memory on that.

I'm not so sure you are hearing me. If I did not find a way to coexist ( much like Indians and they were made of a lot sterner stuff than you or I were ) then I would expect the Mexicans to beat it and kill it out of me.

Tbh..I expect with as little of an independent "state" that the Palestinians had ( much less than Texas for sure ) that I would see the writing on the wall. I sure as shite wouldn't raise my children up to blow themselves up, I'm quite sure of that. So no I call bullshit on your romanticized version of what you would do as well. Winners kick losers arses, they always have been.

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The Jewish people were forced out of the Holy Land first by the Caligula, a Roman, then by Saladin, a Khurd (the people America teamed up with to overthrow Saddam Hussein) - the Palestinians are neither... Hell, they even fought alongside Jews against the Christians during the Second Crusade.

Zionism has always been a Western (mostly British) strategy to create unrest in the Muslim world because, well, oil and imperialism.
As I said, the Palestinians have no more claim of a homeland there than the Israelis as I see it. They are on the wrong side of history. Their lives would be a hell of a lot better if they made peace with Israel and the rest of the Arab nations who have them "ghettoed" just as much as Israel does. Takes more than a single wall to ghetto make.
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I can't pretend to know about all the ins and outs of the points raised in the OP, but what I can say based on my observations on a couple trips to Israel is this: Israelis don't fuck around, and they don't give a shit what you might think about them.

I don't know that I have come across another culture that is more nationalistic. Take that for what it's worth.
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I can't pretend to know about all the ins and outs of the points raised in the OP, but what I can say based on my observations on a couple trips to Israel is this: Israelis don't fuck around, and they don't give a shit what you might think about them.

I don't know that I have come across another culture that is more nationalistic. Take that for what it's worth.
More than Texas?

I wouldn't doubt it tbh, they finally have a homeland and they damn sure aren't going to let anyone take it away from them. At least not without paying a pretty steep price.
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The argument I'm reading here is akin to telling a woman who is being raped to "just go with it, you're not big enough to win this fight."
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The argument I'm reading here is akin to telling a woman who is being raped to "just go with it, you're not big enough to win this fight."
You mean after the woman has bitten off your pecker? Drowned all of your children and burned down your house?
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You mean after the woman has bitten off your pecker? Drowned all of your children and burned down your house?
After you raped her? F*ck yes.

In case you aren't keeping score, Israel started this war and they've killed 10x more people than they've lost... According to Amnesty International, over 70% of Palestinian deaths were unarmed civilians and children. Also, there have been more Israeli soldiers killed in accidents than by the hands of Palestinian freedom fighters.
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After you raped her? F*ck yes.

In case you aren't keeping score, Israel started this war and they've killed 10x more people than they've lost... According to Amnesty International, over 70% of Palestinian deaths were unarmed civilians and children. Also, there have been more Israeli soldiers killed in accidents than by the hands of Palestinian freedom fighters.
No before you raped her. The Palestinians are the ones keeping this hate fest alive.
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No before you raped her. The Palestinians are the ones keeping this hate fest alive.
Are they? What did those children who were killed while going to school last month do to "deserve" getting murdered?

If someone in your neighborhood gets mugged, you don't burn down the entire neighborhood to teach the mugger a lesson... Only a f*cking psychopath would call that justice.


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Please give me the ratio of rockets to retaliation that is appropriate before you try to take out a rocket launcher that has been hidden in a school?

I'll wait? Is it 50,000? 20,000? How many of your citizens get bombed before you are allowed to send a stern letter? I'm just trying to figure out the ratio that Israel is supposed to be following?
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Please give me the ratio of rockets to retaliation that is appropriate before you try to take out a rocket launcher that has been hidden in a school?

I'll wait? Is it 50,000? 20,000? How many of your citizens get bombed before you are allowed to send a stern letter? I'm just trying to figure out the ratio that Israel is supposed to be following?
2014 conflict by the numbers:

800 rocket strikes from Gaza to Israel.
1,300 airstrikes from Israel to Gaza.

Palestinian casualties: 208 militants, 1,959 citizens, 380 children.
Israeli casualties: 65 soldiers, 3 citizens, 0 children.

Palestinians displaced: 520,000
Israelis displaced: 0


Hamas takes credit for a lot of heinous acts (because they're pieces of shit), but using civilians as human shields isn't one of them... They very well could be lying... But on the other hand, maybe Israel needs to break a few eggs if they want to bake a cake - losing a few troops to ensure they hit the targets they seek might cost them a lot less in the court of public opinion than indiscriminately killing women and children.
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Okay...so how many air strikes is Israel allowed in the court of public opinion? Obviously 2-1 makes them genocidal maniacs? Is it 0.5-1?

What is the israeli response to kidnappers digging under their border and shooting rockets into their country?

Inquiring minds want to know what Israel is allowed?

And Hamas isn't using human shields? So all of the israeli air strikes are targeting restaurants?
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This is an interesting table if to be believed. I was wondering why "current conflict" was being used as the baseline.
In other words Israel puts up with rockets from Palestinians on a regular basis. Then they retaliate ( well it appears ) and the data points are cherry picked. It almost looks like the same blokes that create those global warming graphs.

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This is a partial table that summarises the content of the article below.[5]

Month Missiles launched Effect of missiles Retaliation by Israel
Rockets Mortars Killed Injured Killed Injured
January 22 4
February 9
March 65 1 1 1
April 19 5
May 4 3
June 62 3 6
July 2,874 15[6] 6 34 1,122 7,800
Total 3,055 31 6 41 1,123 7,800
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Okay...so how many air strikes is Israel allowed in the court of public opinion? Obviously 2-1 makes them genocidal maniacs? Is it 0.5-1?

What is the israeli response to kidnappers digging under their border and shooting rockets into their country?

Inquiring minds want to know what Israel is allowed?
You mean the 3 boys who were kidnapped by a lone cell that was unaffiliated with Hamas? Yeah, that certainly justifies killing children...

At least Israelis are above that kind of behavior.

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Dude, they're bombing UNITED NATIONS SCHOOLS being used as shelters to house civilian refugees... Try reading a friggin' newspaper, you tool.


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"We're officially through the looking glass here with rockets and United Nations Relief and Works Agency schools in Gaza. For the second time in a week, the United Nations agency disclosed that rockets were discovered in one of their vacant schools. From the U.N.R.W.A. statement:

http://news.yahoo.com/hamas-rockets-...224830922.html
Today, in the course of the regular inspection of its premises, UNRWA discovered rockets hidden in a vacant school in the Gaza Strip. As soon as the rockets were discovered, UNRWA staff were withdrawn from the premises, and so we are unable to confirm the precise number of rockets."

This time, though, it was a little bit different. The rockets were being stored in a facility within close proximity of roughly 3,000 displaced Palestinians.

The school is situated between two other UNRWA schools that currently each accommodate 1,500 internally displaced persons.


And I'm still trying to understand what the ratio of rockets fired into Israel to retaliation is? I guess 0-infinity?
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And I'm still trying to understand what the ratio of rockets fired into Israel to retaliation is? I guess 0-infinity?
Are you seriously asking me to answer a rhetorical question?

None of the schools that were actually bombed were housing rockets, but they were housing children under UN protection... Although I do find it interesting that all those rockets were left unguarded, as if Hamas didn't even know they were there. I mean, it's not like Israel would have any motivation to lie about something like that when their popularity in the court of public opinion is waning, would they?

So what's the appropriate number of children that should be murdered for each rocket (that has the accuracy of a roman candle) launched into Israel? I want mathematically-supported equations - something along the lines of rocket-tonnage vs. pints of blood per child. You know, indisputable maths...
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From what I've heard of your opinion it appears the answer is 0- infinity. No amount of suicide bombers, human shields, rockets launched justify retaliation. Okay, I get your position.

Here is my position....you keep lobbing rockets into my country with the intent to kill my citizens I escalate until you stop. That's my equation, whatever that number is. As high as it needs to go.

What's your number?
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More Israeli antics. In israel this time. I hope these people make it home safe
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A Palestinian citizen of Israel and his fiance, a Jewish Israeli who converted to Islam, have turned to the courts to try and prevent a protest planned at their wedding Sunday night, Haaretz reported.

As I reported here Thursday, the anti-miscegenation, anti-Arab group Lehava publicized the couple’s wedding invitation on social media in full with date and location and called on supporters to show up and protest the union. It doesn’t interest them that the bride has converted and no longer considers herself a Jew, or that they are two consenting adults who wish to spend their lives together. As far as they are concerned, she is an apostate who must be saved from this Muslim man.

The couple requested that the court not only issue an injunction against the protest but also against the group for the harassment they have been subjected to. Along with some of their family members, the two have reportedly received death threats over the phone. As a result, before turning to the court, they were required by the police to hire 33 security guards at a cost of NIS 15,000, of which the wedding hall will pay half.

According to a report in Channel 2 (Hebrew), the judge decided to let the protest go ahead, but ordered it take place 200 meters from the wedding hall so as to prevent any friction between the wedding goers and the protesters. The judge also said that if in fact it is proven that the couple has been harassed and threatened, it will be considered a crime.

The groom, Mahmoud Mansour, told Haaretz: “We’ve been together for five years, but we’ve never encountered such racism. I always knew there were racists, but as long as you’re not affected by it, until you feel it in your own body, you don’t know what it is.”


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I agree, hope they are ok.

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Upon searching "Gal Mekel" (Who BTW, just had a triple-double with the national team - good for him) I stumbled upon this forum and this thread.
OP made a well-elaborated post with nice graphics, so I started reading.

First point - Only Jews are Israeli nationals, Arabs, Druze Bedouins and other minorities are not. Now that, regardless of your political opinions, is factually wrong. The reality is that Jews comprise about 75% of Israeli citizens and the rest are Arabs, Druize, Bedouins etc. Don't take my word for it, check Wikipedia.

In fact, the Israeli Arabs enjoy freedom unparalleled in any other Arab country in the Middle East. For example, as any citizen, they have the right to vote and be elected. In fact 10% of the Israeli parliament members are Arabs. Again, don't take my word for it, check what Wiki has to say.

Israel is ranked 19 in the world in Human Development Index (HDI) with a score of 0.888. The ethnic group with the highest HDI in Israel is...Christian Arabs. In fact, Israel is the only country in the Middle East where the Christian population is growing and flourishing (What happens to other Christian communities in neighboring countries? I'll let you find that out yourself, I'll warn you that it's not a nice reading though). Now, how is that possible under the brutal Israeli apartheid?

I'm not claiming Israel is perfect and that you couldn't find cases of racism and discrimination. My point is, that the first claim of the OP was a blunt lie. I imagine the rest of his post is equally accurate, but I found no point in further reading it. If you want to have a meaningful discussion, then it has to be based on facts and not colorful graphics.
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The following is the text of a speech delivered Wednesday, August 20, 2014 at Platform 17, Holocaust Memorial Site, Berlin
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The Holocaust causes us all to ask of ourselves the same question: What would I have done?

What would I have done if I was a Jew in Berlin in 1933, when Hitler rose to power? Would I have run? Would I have sold my house, my business? Removed my children from school in the middle of the year? Or would I have said to myself: it will pass, it is just momentary madness, Hitler says all these things because he is a politician seeking election. Yes, he’s anti-Semitic, but who isn’t? We’ve been through worse than this. It’s better to wait, to keep my head down. It will pass.

What would I do if I was a German in Berlin on the 18th October 1941, when the first train left this platform, heading East and on it 1,013 Jews – children, women, the elderly — all destined for death.

I don’t ask what I would have done if I was a Nazi, but what would I have done if I was an honest German man, waiting for his train here? A German citizen the same age I am now, with three children like mine. A man who educated his children on the values of basic human decency and the right to life and respect? Would I have remained silent? Would I have protested? Would I have been one of the few Berliners to join the anti-Nazi underground, or one of the many Berliners who carried on with life and pretended that nothing was happening?

And what if I was one of the 1,013 Jews on that train? Would I have boarded the train? Would I have smuggled my 18-year-old daughter to the northern forests? Would I have told my two sons to fight until the end? Would I have dropped my suitcase and started to run? Or would I have attacked the guards in the black uniforms and died an honorable, quick death instead of dying slowly of hunger and torture?

I think I know the answer. I think you do too.

None of the 1,013 Jews departing for their deaths fought the guards. Not them and not the tens of thousands who followed them from this place. Neither did my grandfather, Bela Lampel, when a German soldier took him from his home late at night on the 18th March 1944. “Bitte,” said his mother — my great-grandmother Hermine — to the German soldier. She slowly got down on her knees and hugged the soldiers boots. “Bitte, don’t forget that you also have a mother.” The soldier didn’t say a word. He didn’t know that from the bed, hiding under the duvet, my father was looking at him. A Jewish boy of 13 who over night became a man.

Why didn’t they fight? That is the question that haunts me. That is the question that the Jewish people have struggled with since the last train left for Auschwitz. And the answer – the only answer – is that they didn’t believe in the totality of evil.

They knew, of course, that there were bad people in the world, but they didn’t believe in total evil, organized evil, without mercy or hesitation, cold evil that looked at them but didn’t see them, not even for a moment, as human.

According to their murderers, they weren’t people. They weren’t mothers or fathers, they weren’t somebody’s children. According to their murderers, they never celebrated the birth of a child, never fell in love, never took their old dog for a walk at two in the morning or laughed until they cried at the latest comedy by Max Ehrlich.

That’s what you need to kill another man. To be convinced that he isn’t a man at all. When the murderers looked upon the people who departed from this platform on their final journey they didn’t see Jewish parents, only Jews. They weren’t Jewish poets or Jewish musicians, only Jews. They weren’t Herr Braun or Frau Schwartz, only Jews.

Destruction starts with the destruction of identity. It is no surprise that the first thing done to them, when they arrived at Auschwitz, was to tattoo a number on their arm. It is hard to kill Rebecca Grunwald, a beautiful, fair-haired 18-year-old romantic, but Jew number 7762 A is easy to murder. Yet it remains the same person.

Seventy-five years later, do we know any more? Do we understand more?

The Holocaust placed before Israel a dual challenge:

On the one hand it taught us that we must survive at any price, and be able to defend ourselves at any price. Trainloads of Jews will never again depart from a platform anywhere in the world. The security of the State of Israel and its citizens must forever be in our hands alone. We have friends, and I stand here among friends. The new Germany has proven its friendship to Israel time and again, but we must not, and we cannot, rely on anyone but ourselves.

On the other hand, the Holocaust taught us that no matter the circumstances we must always remain moral people. Human morality is not judged when everything is ok, it is judged by our ability to see the suffering of the other, even when we have every reason to see only our own.

The Holocaust cannot be compared, and must not be compared, to any other event in human history. It was, in the words of the author K. Zetnik, a survivor of Auschwitz, “another planet.” We must not compare, but we must always remember what we learned.

A war like the one we fight today, which looks likely to continue and which the civilized world — whether it wants to or not — will be a part of, causes the two lessons we learned from the Holocaust to stand opposite one another.

The need to survive teaches us to strike hard to defend ourselves.

The need to remain moral, even when circumstances are immoral, teaches us to minimize human suffering as much as possible.

Our moral test is not taking place in a sterile laboratory or upon the philosopher’s page. In the past weeks, the moral test put before us has taken place during intense fighting. Thousands of rockets were fired at our citizens and armed terrorists dug tunnels next to kindergartens with the aim of killing or kidnapping our children. Anyone who criticizes us must ask themselves one question: “What would you do if someone came to your child’s school with a gun in their hand and started shooting?”

Hamas, as opposed to us, wants to kill Jews. Young or old, men or women, soldiers or civilians. They see no difference, because for them we are not people. We are Jews and that is reason enough to murder us.

Our moral test, even under these circumstances, is to continue to distinguish between enemies and innocents. Every time a child in Gaza dies it breaks my heart. They are not Hamas, they are not the enemy, they are just children.

Therefore Israel is the first country in military history that informs its enemy in advance where and when it will attack, so as to avoid civilian causalities. Israel is the only country that transfers food and medication to its enemy while the fighting continues. Israel is the only country where pilots abandon their mission because they see civilians on the ground. And despite it all, children die, and children are not supposed to die.

Here in Europe, and elsewhere in the world, people sit in their comfortable homes, watching the evening news, and tell us that we are failing the test. Why? Because in Gaza people suffer more. They don’t understand — or don’t want to understand — that the suffering of Gaza is the main tool of evil. When we explain to them, time after time, that Hamas uses the children of Gaza as human shields, that Hamas intentionally places them in the firing line, to ensure they die, that Hamas sacrifices the lives of the young to win its propaganda war, people refuse to believe it. Why? Because they cannot believe that human beings — human beings who look like them and sound like them — are capable of behaving that way. Because good people always refuse to recognize the totality of evil until it’s too late.

Time after time we ask ourselves why people in the world prefer to blame us when the facts so clearly indicate otherwise. Across the world, fanatic Muslims are massacring other Muslims. In Syria, in Iraq, in Libya, in Nigeria more children are killed in a week than die in Gaza in a decade. Every week, women are raped, homosexuals are hung and Christians are beheaded. The world watches, offers its polite condemnation, and returns obsessively to condemning Israel for fighting for our lives.

Some of the criticism stems from anti-Semitism. It has raised its ugly head once more. To those people we say: we will fight you everywhere. The days when Jews ran away from you are over. We will not be silent in the face of anti-Semitism and we expect every government, in every country, to stand shoulder to shoulder with us and fight this evil with us.

Other critics, perhaps more enlightened in their own eyes, prefer to blame only us for what happens in Gaza because they know we are the only ones who listen. They prefer to focus their anger upon us not in spite of but because we are committed to the same human values which Hamas rejects – compassion for the weak, rationality, protection of gay people, of women’s rights, of the freedom of religion and freedom of speech.

Let us not fool ourselves. Evil is here. It is around us. It seeks to hurt us. Fundamentalist Islam is an ultimate evil, and like the evil which came before it, has learned how to use all our tools against us: Our TV cameras, our international organizations, our commissions of inquiry and our legal system. Just as terror uses rockets and suicide bombers, it uses our inability to accept that someone would sacrifice the children of their people just to get a supportive headline or an eye-catching photograph.

Standing here, in this place, I want to say clearly that the leaders of Hamas, an anti-western, anti-Semitic terrorist organization, cannot be safe while they continue to target innocent civilians. Just as every European leader would do, just as the United States did with Osama Bin Laden, so we will pursue every leader of Hamas.

This is the evil which we all face and Israel stands at the front. Europe must know, if we will fail to stop them, they will come for you. We must do everything to avoid suffering and the death of innocents but we stand in the right place from which to say to the entire world: We will not board the train again. We will protect ourselves from total evil.

Thank you.
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Couldn't agree more, thanks for the posts.
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My impression is that the Israeli civilian casualty rate is significantly lower because of the Iron Dome. But just because they have that defensive technology does not mean others get to launch rockets at them with reckless abandon.

Say we finished the Star Wars program during the Cold War. Would that mean the USSR could then freely launch their arsenal at us because we now had the ability to shoot them down? I doubt anyone would expect us to just take it like a champ without retaliating. And our response would not be deemed genocide.
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1. Never trust someone else ( especially the UN ) to protect you. A lesson Ukraine/Iraq is learning the hard way.
2. Isreal did some bad shite.
This one was news to me thanks. It also seems a little incongruous since they had just gone through their own genocide. But possibly that was the driver for them to be equally as ruthless, interesting.
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Gen. 12:3 - And I will bless those who bless you,
And the one who curses you I will curse.
And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.”
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