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grndmstr_c · 11-28-2003, 03:04 PM

Here's the link to the ESPN blurb.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1673180

madape · 11-28-2003, 03:20 PM

Now let's see the Mavericks' reaction.

sike · 11-28-2003, 03:24 PM

seems heavy...is three games the usual, or pretty extreme...

as long as the suspension puts this "Fortson is a thug" crap behind us, lets move on and be happy with the three games....but please lets not dwell on it for the next couple days....the team is sucking on the road....and that is a much more discussion worthy topic....

grndmstr_c · 11-28-2003, 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by: sike
seems heavy...is three games the usual, or pretty extreme...

as long as the suspension puts this "Fortson is a thug" crap behind us, lets move on and be happy with the three games....but please lets not dwell on it for the next couple days....the team is sucking on the road....and that is a much more discussion worthy topic....

Amen.

FilthyFinMavs · 11-28-2003, 05:10 PM

He got exactly what he deserved. I'd be very dissapointed if the Mavs added any games to this suspension. That would be promoting the Mavs to be soft. Now don't take what I just said out of context. I don't think injuring a player makes you a thug or a rough player but I don't think Mavs players should be playing lightly because they are afriad they are going to injure a player and be suspended.

LRB · 11-28-2003, 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by: sike
seems heavy...is three games the usual, or pretty extreme...

as long as the suspension puts this "Fortson is a thug" crap behind us, lets move on and be happy with the three games....but please lets not dwell on it for the next couple days....the team is sucking on the road....and that is a much more discussion worthy topic....

The real thug here is David Stern. At worst Danny Fortson was doing what King David wants done. Stern if he had is way would see each team with several players who did nothing but commit these types of fouls. So long as they don't do it to one of his precisous superstars, and Fortson didn't, then Stern just sees this as great marketing material.

grndmstr_c · 11-28-2003, 06:33 PM

Steven A. Smith just reported that the Mavs will NOT appeal the suspension. There's your reaction Madape.

mikeinrowlett · 11-28-2003, 08:04 PM

So much for the "Soft White Boyz" label.

grndmstr_c · 11-28-2003, 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by: mikeinrowlett
So much for the "Soft White Boyz" label.

I don't mean to be patronizing, but could we maybe do without comments of that sort? I see them as needlessly polarizing and misguided, especially given the seriousness of what happened and the strong opinions that many people hold regarding this issue.

Simon2 · 11-28-2003, 08:47 PM

I don't think the Mavs will appeal. Nellie is against this stuff. I would be disappointed if they added their own suspension. Fortson wants to establish that he can provide toughness and muscle outside. If the Mavs add to his suspension, I think that sends the wrong message.

dude1394 · 11-28-2003, 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by: grndmstr_c

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Originally posted by: mikeinrowlett
So much for the "Soft White Boyz" label.

I don't mean to be patronizing, but could we maybe do without comments of that sort? I see them as needlessly polarizing and misguided, especially given the seriousness of what happened and the strong opinions that many people hold regarding this issue.

Pretty funny however. The truth often is.

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drummer · 11-28-2003, 09:26 PM

From a Phx. Fan.....

By the responses I've read on here all I can say is you have got to be kidding me???

The obvious two handed push to the back while another player is in the air going for a dunk can not only break a players wrist, it can break their freakin neck. Your boy Fortsen should be ashamed for his actions. He actually got off quite easy. Only three games, no fine???

If this would have been any of your players you would have been screaming if one of our players only got 3 games. Fortsen is known for this type of play and no, that kind of play doesn't make your team tougher. You can play tough without taking someones legs out from under them while going up for a dunk. ESPECIALLY WHEN THE GAME IS TOTALLY OVER WITH TWO MIN. LEFT!!!! It was a bullshit play on his part and you know it!!!

Zarko is a promising young player. In his first start as a rookie he had 17 pts, (would have been 19), and 9 boards. I heard it wasn't a bad break to his shooting hand, but it could have been career threatening if it was a bad break. There's been nba players in the past that have broken their wrist and never shot the same again. Hopefully he can bounce back from this. If you think playing like this way and possibly ruining a players career is the way to play ball you have a lot to learn!!

I would never condone any such action by one of our players to yours. IT WOULD MAKE ME SICK!! You people should be ashamed condoneing such actions. Viewing it as making your team "tougher" is not only disturbing, it is a sign of poor sportsmanship.

I only hope and pray that our boy Jahidi doesn't retaliate the next game with the Mavs. That would only put him in the same category as your thug Fortsen.

grndmstr_c · 11-28-2003, 09:37 PM

Drummer, two things:

1) it's three games without pay. That equals about a $200,000 fine.

2) if you think the posters on this forum are condoning what Fortson did, you didn't read carefully enough.

LRB · 11-28-2003, 09:50 PM

drummer I don't think that anyone here is condoning Fortson's actions. On the contrary, many are very much condemning them.

mavsman · 11-28-2003, 10:19 PM

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Originally posted by: grndmstr_c
I don't mean to be patronizing, but could we maybe do without comments of that sort? I see them as needlessly polarizing and misguided, especially given the seriousness of what happened and the strong opinions that many people hold regarding this issue.

Wow, you are one politically correct guy. Dont' wet your pants. Do you ever watch games? Where were you when freaking Malone elbowed Dirk? The KG-incident? I can't remember seeing you around here whining for people to calm down. It's not like Fortson murdered Zarko. Hell, if another guy puts his foot under Dirk's while he's landing, Dirk might be done for the season. Even if the guy didn't want to hurt Dirk, like Danny didn't want to hurt Zarko, in his own clumsy way. What are we going to do then? Strangle cute animals because you don't allow us to vent our anger here? Because comments on a FAN-BOARD might be polarizing? Gimme a break.

mavsman · 11-28-2003, 10:28 PM

Oh, and while I'm at it, grndmstr_c, why don't you like mikeinrowlett's comment? Don't you think that -
even if I don't like what Fortson did - there might be players who originally thought "I can go straight to the basket, all I can possibly get is a slap on the wrist" do now think twice?

grndmstr_c · 11-28-2003, 11:14 PM

Well, mavsman, you're right in not remembering me, and maybe if you'd taken your head out of your own you-know-what (how's that for politically correct) and looked at that little thing underneath my icon that says "Joined: Oct 2003" you'd have realized that I wasn't a member of the forum when those incidents occured.

And if you had bothered to check out the other thread discussing the foul you might have clued in on a couple other facts, like, for instance, that I've been one of the more vocal defenders of Fortson. And perhaps you also would have noticed that statements about shedding the soft label and the like have been at the root of a lot of the arguments in that other thread. Then, maybe, just maybe, and I'm only saying this because I have a tremendous amount of faith in your analytical abilities, it would have dawned on you that my aim in that post was to try to keep a second thread from turning into a rehashed, carbon copy of the first one.

MavsFanFinley · 11-29-2003, 02:03 AM

League suspends Fortson 3 games for flagrant foul
Mavericks forward unhappy with Suns owner's comments

Saturday, November 29, 2003
By EDDIE SEFKO / The Dallas Morning News

DENVER – Danny Fortson wasn't happy with the three-game suspension he received from the NBA on Friday for his shove on Zarko Cabarkapa that resulted in a fractured wrist for the Phoenix player, who was put on the injured list.

But what bothered Fortson more were comments by Suns owner Jerry Colangelo, which Fortson thought were out of line.

Colangelo called Fortson a thug after the incident and called for the NBA to suspend the Mavericks forward for as long as Cabarkapa is out – expected to be six-to-eight weeks.

"All I can say is they said worse things about Jesus, and he still was able to keep going and be successful," Fortson said. "Jesus is my role model.

"But I thought that comment was a little unprofessional. I never even met the guy. Why me? But it's part of the game. Stuff happens. I understand that he's pretty much like a god as far as the league is concerned."

The Mavericks were without Fortson on Friday night at Denver, and he will miss home games Saturday against Minnesota and Tuesday against Washington. Fortson will lose approximately $180,000 in salary for the three games.

The Mavericks questioned whether the suspension was deserved since it was Fortson's first flagrant foul of the season. The league has a points systems for determining suspensions for players who commit multiple flagrant fouls. But Stu Jackson, the league's senior vice president for basketball operations, said the league reserves the right to impose fines and/or suspensions in addition to the guidelines set forth by the league.

Mavericks owner Mark Cuban said the punishment was probably just.

"It's within the realm of what the league has done in the past, so you can't really argue it," he said.

As for Colangelo's comments, Cuban said, "Maybe that wasn't appropriate, but I can understand because he was upset and standing up for his player, so we're not going to make an issue of it. If I was in the same position, I might have done the same thing."

Mavericks coach Don Nelson does not condone Fortson's foul, but he stood up for his player's reputation.

"I don't think he [Colangelo] knows Danny Fortson," Nelson said. "Danny Fortson is not a thug. He's a physical player who makes poor decisions sometimes. But he's not a thug."

Fortson's teammates said he may have some recourse if he chooses to take on Colangelo.

"I told Danny he should take that up with the players association," Antawn Jamison said. "When it comes to expressing those kinds of thoughts, that's defamation of character."

MightyToine · 11-29-2003, 02:50 AM

Defamation of Character, Antawn?

What will complaining to the Player's Association get him? He'll still serve the suspension and lose money regardless...

Lvubun1 · 11-29-2003, 04:32 AM

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Originally posted by: mavsman
Oh, and while I'm at it, grndmstr_c, why don't you like mikeinrowlett's comment? Don't you think that -
even if I don't like what Fortson did - there might be players who originally thought "I can go straight to the basket, all I can possibly get is a slap on the wrist" do now think twice?

Exactly, I have a better idea, next time Fortson can elbow the guy in the nuts or he can body slam them and do a 450 pound big splash from the top of the backboard, then nobody will ever go into the hole. That's not tough play its cheap play, the Mavs are paying Fortson 30-40 million whatever the hell he makes for that kind of "tough" play, how hard is it to stand underneath the basket, stand still and push somebody on the ground. Hey Cube only has to pay me a couple thousand and I can do that. Yea and lets break the "soft white boys" thing by having Fortson doing that on a regular basis, then I soon wonder what will happen when Nash or Dirk go to the hole, hmmmmmmm, maybe other teams will start playing "tough" themselves, that will really be good. Hey but who cares? atleast the Mavs won't be considered "soft" anymore.

dallas_esq · 11-29-2003, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by: MightyToine
Defamation of Character, Antawn?

What will complaining to the Player's Association get him? He'll still serve the suspension and lose money regardless...

They have some way of making specific greivances against owners or other players I suppose. Fortson will want to try to clear his name of the "thug" allegations.

drummer · 11-29-2003, 04:16 PM

drummer · 11-29-2003, 04:33 PM

I'm sure if your sixth man, who is it, Jamison?, went to the hole on a break, took off for a dunk and one of our players were to push him 10' out of bounds behind the basket and break his wrist, you wouldn't be looking at our player as playing tough!!!! You would be saying is was a bullshit coward poor sport defensive play. Fortsen got beat and he couldn't take it so he pushes him while in the air. What the hell was he thinking???

Fortsen had no intent on making a defensive play. His only goal was to put him on the ground. What's really sad is the game was over at the time. There's no place in hoops for that kind of play. It was an obvious intentional act of violence toward another player, plain and simple.

Fortsen said he didn't mean to hurt him. What else do you think would happen when you push a guy at the mid section flying full throttle with his head 10' in the air?

Pesonally, I've watched a lot of hoops and never seen anything like it. I've seen hard fouls where a player comes DOWN hard on someone, I've seen many fights in the heat of battle and elbows thrown, but I've never seen someone not even try to make an effort to stop the ball and push someone while that high in the air.

I can't believe some of you regard this as tough play. I even read where someone wrote and I quote,, "Maybe this will make another player think twice about taking it to the hole against us from now on instead of just getting a slap on the wrist" What a fucking MORON!!!! Another quote stated that they thought 3 games was too severe!!!!

Let's see how you feel some night when Dirk or Antwoin go up for a dunk and get their legs taken out from under them ON PURPOSE and they break their arm, out for the majority of the season. Or worse yet break their neck.

True, some of you don't condone it, but some of you idiots think it was a display of "tough play". We'll see some day when it happens to one of your key players how you think it's tough play. You'l want the guys nuts as well.

I'm out.

bingocasino · 11-29-2003, 04:40 PM

thanks for being this kind
farewell

Chiwas · 11-29-2003, 04:51 PM

I think everybody has considered it a 2 flagrant foul, drummer; maybe the difference is that you or others think that this is usual. It is not. I think is the first flagrant on Fortson with the Mavs, and rarely you see a flagrant from any Mav and far less like the Fortson's against Denver.

drummer · 11-29-2003, 05:16 PM

Forstsen is known for this kind of play. I think I read on another post that he had 8 flagrant fouls in one season, EIGHT!!! That's a flagrant foul every 10 games. Flagrant means no intent to make a good defensive play. It means putting a hit on a player with no regards what so ever to the player he does it too.

He's big and he can run, and he's in there to play rough. He has no other skills.

He's damn lucky nobody has been seriously hurt. There's no room for this kind of play in hoops. What if every team incorporated a thug type player to bang on the other teams players, in turn chancing an injury each time? Then it happens to one of your key players? There's no reason a player needs to play like that. It's not good hoops.

FilthyFinMavs · 11-29-2003, 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by: drummer
I'm sure if your sixth man, who is it, Jamison?, went to the hole on a break, took off for a dunk and one of our players were to push him 10' out of bounds behind the basket and break his wrist, you wouldn't be looking at our player as playing tough!!!! You would be saying is was a bullshit coward poor sport defensive play. Fortsen got beat and he couldn't take it so he pushes him while in the air. What the hell was he thinking???

Fortsen had no intent on making a defensive play. His only goal was to put him on the ground. What's really sad is the game was over at the time. There's no place in hoops for that kind of play. It was an obvious intentional act of violence toward another player, plain and simple.

Fortsen said he didn't mean to hurt him. What else do you think would happen when you push a guy at the mid section flying full throttle with his head 10' in the air?

Pesonally, I've watched a lot of hoops and never seen anything like it. I've seen hard fouls where a player comes DOWN hard on someone, I've seen many fights in the heat of battle and elbows thrown, but I've never seen someone not even try to make an effort to stop the ball and push someone while that high in the air.

I can't believe some of you regard this as tough play. I even read where someone wrote and I quote,, "Maybe this will make another player think twice about taking it to the hole against us from now on instead of just getting a slap on the wrist" What a fucking MORON!!!! Another quote stated that they thought 3 games was too severe!!!!

Let's see how you feel some night when Dirk or Antwoin go up for a dunk and get their legs taken out from under them ON PURPOSE and they break their arm, out for the majority of the season. Or worse yet break their neck.

True, some of you don't condone it, but some of you idiots think it was a display of "tough play". We'll see some day when it happens to one of your key players how you think it's tough play. You'l want the guys nuts as well.

I'm out.

Why do you keep telling us how we will feel if one of our players were hurt? They weren't so why do you keep bringing that up? I'm sure alot of us would have differnet opinions if one of our players were hurt but they weren't. Zarko got hurt. It's unfortunate but complaining and bitching about it isn't going to change a thing. Fortson made a bad mistake. Who hasn't admited this? Zarko is not one of your key players so quit protesting it. If he was he wouldn't have been in the game the time he was.

And no you haven't watched much hoops and you may haven't even watched many Suns games because you would remember the play about 3 years ago when John Starks flipped Shawn Marion over his back and Marion had to go to the hospital on a stretcher.

bingocasino · 11-29-2003, 05:30 PM

let me see no skills.how come he was an all american.and there is another skill beside being rough he is a pretty decent rebounder.lol
if given the time he is the best in the whole league.
beside that i feel sorry for chubaca and the foul was nothing more then dumb!!!

mavsman · 11-29-2003, 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by: grndmstr_c
Well, mavsman, you're right in not remembering me, and maybe if you'd taken your head out of your own you-know-what (how's that for politically correct) and looked at that little thing underneath my icon that says "Joined: Oct 2003" you'd have realized that I wasn't a member of the forum when those incidents occured.

Hey, you really found it. And I thought you must've thought that you were here a lot longer to tell everybody that you "don't want to be patronizing". Anyhow, you didn't answer the question, thank you.

grndmstr_c · 11-29-2003, 08:01 PM

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Hey, you really found it. And I thought you must've thought that you were here a lot longer to tell everybody that you "don't want to be patronizing". Anyhow, you didn't answer the question, thank you.

At least I can always cite you as an example of how small a correlation there is between seniority and having something worthwhile to say.

As to your question, yeah. Next time we're getting blown out and the game is effectively over, if Fortson's manning the middle on a play like that the guy will probably shoot a pull-up jumper rather than take it to the hole. Wow, that's really a boon for the team. I can't believe I didn't see it before.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]

Fortson has a rep for commiting flagrants around the league that pretty much everybody knew about before the Suns game. There are probably a couple rooks who had their eyes opened this week, but not much else. Personally, I'd rather that opposing players were concerned about the possibility that a skinny, uncoordinated white boy was going to embarass them by blocking their shot.

dallas_esq · 11-29-2003, 08:14 PM

I just saw it and it looked to me like he just shoved him. Pretty thuggish to me. I don't buy his defense either. Ultimately I think Dude nailed it, look in the mirror fans, this is what the NBA calls basketball.

LoveMyMavs14 · 11-30-2003, 11:30 PM

Did anyone see Peter Vecsey's article on the incident? He was basically all over Colangelo's you-know-what, and he couldn't hide his blantant hatred for Dallas.

dirk2003 · 12-01-2003, 12:01 AM

damn, does this mean he wont be giving shaq the "fits"

LRB · 12-01-2003, 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by: LoveMyMavs14
Did anyone see Peter Vecsey's article on the incident? He was basically all over Colangelo's you-know-what, and he couldn't hide his blantant hatred for Dallas.

I'd pay big bucks to see Fortson or anyone else put a flagrant on Vecsey. A perfect example of someone who thinks that they are a legend in their own mind.

EricaLubarsky · 12-01-2003, 11:35 AM

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Originally posted by: LoveMyMavs14
Did anyone see Peter Vecsey's article on the incident? He was basically all over Colangelo's you-know-what, and he couldn't hide his blantant hatred for Dallas.

I'd pay big bucks to see Fortson or anyone else put a flagrant on Vecsey. A perfect example of someone who thinks that they are a legend in their own mind.

Or Shaq.....oh thats right he wont be around for the nationally televised LAker/Mavericks game....=( \

Thats what concerns me more- a foul is a foul just like poor behavior is poor behavior or a technical is a technical but when it affects ability to play, then you as a player are to make sure you arent guilty of those things. Fortson's unnecessary shove just made him unable to play for days and that hurts the team. I guess its asking too much to ask him to think ahead and thnk of his team first.

BTW I watched the clips of the foul and although he obviously didnt intend to break bones and he seems to not know how strong he is, he definitely intended a very hard, stupid foul.

madape · 12-01-2003, 11:42 AM

Great, Fortson won't be around for Shaq to drop 40 on him again. Woe is me.

EricaLubarsky · 12-01-2003, 11:56 AM

great,

winded Bradley and ankle-sprain Nowitzki will play Shaq. That just whets my whistle.

grndmstr_c · 12-01-2003, 12:19 PM

Didi I miss something? Fortson's three games will be up after Tuesday night. He should be available for the LA game.

LRB · 12-01-2003, 12:59 PM

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Didi I miss something? Fortson's three games will be up after Tuesday night. He should be available for the LA game.

No, you didn't miss anything. The potato's last night of suspension is Tuesday night against the Wizards. He'll be available for the Fakers. He he may not be as agressive fearing another suspension. Against the Fakers, I hope not. Shaq and Malone, especially Malone, have given far more dirty plays than they have taken. Not that I want Fortson to commit a dirty play against them or anyone else, I just don't want him to lose his agressiveness. Tame it a little would be nice though.

EricaLubarsky · 12-01-2003, 01:04 PM

I missed something, sorry