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Chicago JK · 12-12-2003, 03:35 PM

I haven't seen Ely play since I saw him in high school, but this is still brainer. Why would the Clippers trade a young big for a point guard making the minimum on a one year deal. Can't see this happening though.
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The Clippers may be looking to shake things up. They're still looking for a point guard, so don't be surprised if they take a run at Travis Best, offering Melvin Ely to Dallas in return

Big_Dog · 12-12-2003, 03:53 PM

I thought Best couldn´t be traded because he signed for the minimum?

madape · 12-12-2003, 04:03 PM

Ely is no stud by any means, but that trade is a bonefied rip-off. The only problem is that the move would produce a gaping hole at backup point. I don't think I'm confortable with Daniels or Delk manning big time minutes in releif of Nash. If Nash went down to injury, goodbye season.

uberfan · 12-12-2003, 04:31 PM

I would do it. I have mentioned Ely as a real possibility on other threads here before. He has decent upside and would not slow down the mavs on fast breaks.

kg_veteran · 12-12-2003, 04:35 PM

A 6'10", 260 lb center with a strong frame who's regarded as a pretty good low post defender for Best? Heck, a 6'10", 260 lb center with a pulse for Travis Best?

Where do I sign?

grndmstr_c · 12-12-2003, 05:01 PM

I don't really know anything about Ely, but count me in on KG's logic. You pretty much know Walker's not going anywhere, and if Walker's running point forward he could effectively be the backup to Nash running the show. Let Delk and Daniels take turns playing the smaller guard slot since both can defend.

Max Power · 12-12-2003, 05:43 PM

I don't know how that trade could work - Ely makes $1.6M and Best makes $930K.

The only trade restriction I can find is that Best couldn't be traded until after Dec 15th.

LRB · 12-12-2003, 06:24 PM

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Originally posted by: Max Power
I don't know how that trade could work - Ely makes $1.6M and Best makes $930K.

The only trade restriction I can find is that Best couldn't be traded until after Dec 15th.

Isn't it within 15% + 100K?

MavKikiNYC · 12-12-2003, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by: madape
Ely is no stud by any means, but that trade is a bonefied rip-off. The only problem is that the move would produce a gaping hole at backup point. I don't think I'm confortable with Daniels or Delk manning big time minutes in releif of Nash. If Nash went down to injury, goodbye season.

I was for the Best signing, but he's looking more and more like a donut of a spare. And if Nash goes down, it's goodbye season, Best or no Best.

Max Power · 12-12-2003, 06:39 PM

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Originally posted by: LRB

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Originally posted by: Max Power
I don't know how that trade could work - Ely makes $1.6M and Best makes $930K.

The only trade restriction I can find is that Best couldn't be traded until after Dec 15th.

Isn't it within 15% + 100K?

Still $500K off. I couldn't get it to work on real gm either.

LRB · 12-12-2003, 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by: Max Power

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Originally posted by: LRB

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Originally posted by: Max Power
I don't know how that trade could work - Ely makes $1.6M and Best makes $930K.

The only trade restriction I can find is that Best couldn't be traded until after Dec 15th.

Isn't it within 15% + 100K?

Still $500K off. I couldn't get it to work on real gm either.

You're right, sorry my math skills quit at 5:00PM today. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

Max Power · 12-12-2003, 06:49 PM

We'd have to throw the Iceman in the deal.

EDIT - Still won't work

Rhylan · 12-12-2003, 06:51 PM

Small and old for big and young?

Any. day. of. the. week. And twice on Sunday.

There's no way the Clips are stupe enough to make a deal where these two are the centerpieces. Unless we throw in Daniels.........

Rhylan · 12-12-2003, 06:52 PM

MP, cash could always be used to even out the deal, I assume.

aexchange · 12-12-2003, 07:59 PM

best is a big pile of crap.

smell ya later.

LRB · 12-12-2003, 09:28 PM

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best is a big pile of crap.

smell ya later.

Actually Best is a short pile of crap. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

Tony tha Mavs fan · 12-13-2003, 02:17 AM

a Melvin Ely for Tony Delk trade would work......

Dallas trades: PG Tony Delk (8.6 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.8 apg in 20.3 minutes)
Dallas receives: PF Melvin Ely (4.8 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 18.4 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -3.8 ppg, +1.2 rpg, and +0.1 apg.

L.A. Clippers trades: PF Melvin Ely (4.8 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 18.4 minutes)
L.A. Clippers receives: PG Tony Delk (8.6 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.8 apg in 14 games)
Change in team outlook: +3.8 ppg, -1.2 rpg, and -0.1 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to Dallas being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Dallas had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

You have been assigned Trade ID number 1337906

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I know your given up a proven scorer in Delk, for a unproven player in Ely. But a young , hustle type power Forward/Center, who can do dirty work under the boards like Najera/Fortson, could be very good for this young Mavs team.

LRB · 12-13-2003, 02:27 AM

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Originally posted by: Tony tha Mavs fan
a Melvin Ely for Tony Delk trade would work......

Dallas trades: PG Tony Delk (8.6 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.8 apg in 20.3 minutes)
Dallas receives: PF Melvin Ely (4.8 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 18.4 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -3.8 ppg, +1.2 rpg, and +0.1 apg.

L.A. Clippers trades: PF Melvin Ely (4.8 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 18.4 minutes)
L.A. Clippers receives: PG Tony Delk (8.6 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.8 apg in 14 games)
Change in team outlook: +3.8 ppg, -1.2 rpg, and -0.1 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to Dallas being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Dallas had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

You have been assigned Trade ID number 1337906

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I know your given up a proven scorer in Delk, for a unproven player in Ely. But a young , hustle type power Forward/Center, who can do dirty work under the boards like Najera/Fortson, could be very good for this young Mavs team.

I'd do it, unless Cleveland accepts on the Mihm for Delk trade. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

Tony tha Mavs fan · 12-13-2003, 02:40 AM

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Originally posted by: LRB

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Originally posted by: Tony tha Mavs fan
a Melvin Ely for Tony Delk trade would work......

Dallas trades: PG Tony Delk (8.6 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.8 apg in 20.3 minutes)
Dallas receives: PF Melvin Ely (4.8 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 18.4 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -3.8 ppg, +1.2 rpg, and +0.1 apg.

L.A. Clippers trades: PF Melvin Ely (4.8 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 18.4 minutes)
L.A. Clippers receives: PG Tony Delk (8.6 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.8 apg in 14 games)
Change in team outlook: +3.8 ppg, -1.2 rpg, and -0.1 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to Dallas being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Dallas had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

You have been assigned Trade ID number 1337906

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I know your given up a proven scorer in Delk, for a unproven player in Ely. But a young , hustle type power Forward/Center, who can do dirty work under the boards like Najera/Fortson, could be very good for this young Mavs team.

I'd do it, unless Cleveland accepts on the Mihm for Delk trade. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

AWW MAN i forgot about the Mihm for Delk deal , maybe the three teams can work a three -way deal[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

uberfan · 12-13-2003, 10:49 AM

Clipps would probably come closer to doing this deal. I think Delk fits there style better than Best.

Max Power · 12-14-2003, 10:53 AM

Cash and/or draft picks are used to balance the talent involved in a trade but the salaries still have to match up. However the folks at LMF say that the Mavs have a $1.3M trade exception so we should be able to make the deal on Dec 15th (the earliest that Best can be traded since he signed a contract in the offseason).

bogey · 12-14-2003, 12:05 PM

The Mavs do in fact have a 1.3 trade exemption at their disposal.

Max Power · 12-14-2003, 02:17 PM

But is Ely worth a trade exception?

And is it worth offending possible free agents by trading ANOTHER free agent who chose us?

LRB · 12-14-2003, 02:34 PM

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And is it worth offending possible free agents by trading ANOTHER free agent who chose us?

Great question MP. I've thought a lot about this one. IMO since Best has performed so poorly it shouldn't be a problem. I think that we have a responsibility to FA's not to just acquire them for trade bait. But the FA has a responsibility to show up and play. Best hasn't lived up to his end of the bargain, so IMO that makes it OK for us to trade him.

Max Power · 12-14-2003, 10:59 PM

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Originally posted by: LRB

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And is it worth offending possible free agents by trading ANOTHER free agent who chose us?

Great question MP. I've thought a lot about this one. IMO since Best has performed so poorly it shouldn't be a problem. I think that we have a responsibility to FA's not to just acquire them for trade bait. But the FA has a responsibility to show up and play. Best hasn't lived up to his end of the bargain, so IMO that makes it OK for us to trade him.

I'd agree except for the fact that Best took less money to come here.

But then again maybe Best WANTS to be traded where he can get some regular minutes to build up some stats to get his next contract.

bogey · 12-14-2003, 11:18 PM

Tough call. You know though.....dooby had a great write up on the trade exception and how it is a fallacy that it is valuable. I can't find it, but it was really good.