Unofficial TV watching thread

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by BPo001

What a horrible ending to an otherwise incredible show.

I'd probably call it a really mediocre last two seasons. I didn't mind the final episode.... I certainly didn't mind Dany going mad. She had shown signs of being a bit out of control ever since she gained power..

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

I'd probably call it a really mediocre last two seasons. I didn't mind the final episode.... I certainly didn't mind Dany going mad. She had shown signs of being a bit out of control ever since she gained power..

Yeah parts of season 8 were good. Definitely got back to what made it good (in parts). Still some awful

Just felt really rushed and some characters took turns that weren't necessarily bad, but just seemed illogical without the time to develop them (Tyrion's crush on Dany, everything Jaime-Brienne, Dany going from kinda wicked to full monster, etc.)

I think it was mostly sunk by season 7 basically being written by a bunch of writers with the idea that they needed big action to keep people interested while really just treading water for an entire season. If they had actually progressed the plot and developed characters last season, this season could have been okay.

Still a lot of foreshadowing that never paid off (Night King mythos, R+L=J, etc.), but it would have felt more earned

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I think it was mostly sunk by season 7 basically being written by a bunch of writers with the idea that they needed big action to keep people interested without actually progressing the plot. If they had actually progressed the plot and developed characters last season, this season could have been okay.

I think they were inevitably going to run into this problem because the show was slow for too long. It needed to better balance the action/talking throughout the series. They tried to build up too many plot/character storylines and obviously didn't have the time or resources to fully develop them.

So they did a complete reversal of the show which was never going to work when you decide to throw characters and plot out the window. There are so many irrational choices made in these last two seasons that it just gives you a headache.

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Yeah parts of season 8 were good. Definitely got back to what made it good (in parts). Still some awful

Just felt really rushed and some characters took turns that weren't necessarily bad, but just seemed illogical without the time to develop them (Tyrion's crush on Dany, everything Jaime-Brienne, Dany going from kinda wicked to full monster, etc.)

I think it was mostly sunk by season 7 basically being written by a bunch of writers with the idea that they needed big action to keep people interested while really just treading water for an entire season. If they had actually progressed the plot and developed characters last season, this season could have been okay.

Still a lot of foreshadowing that never paid off (Night King mythos, R+L=J, etc.), but it would have felt more earned

I see a lot of people saying that the show was rushed.. At first, I thought people were just saying that they rushed getting the show to TV...but, it's obvious that many meant that they simply rushed ending it. With that, I can agree. They obviously didn't rush getting it to TV..It took far too long. And to me, the biggest issue was the plot holes. Plot holes that you could drive a truck through.. It went from becoming a brilliant TV show to a really dumb TV show. I guess that happened in large part because they advanced beyond the writings of Martin.. But they'd done ok when they'd veered from his writing earlier in the series. Again, I think they had already started trying to turn their GoT success into their next payday. wanting to get something else in the development stages prior to finishing up GoT.

You're right. The Brienne/Jaime thing was silly. It was as if they were trying to appease a certain demographic of women.. I won't say which demographic, but it's obvious that this was done not to advance the story but to appease a group which always rubs me the wrong way. Either it occurs and feels organic or it shouldn't be in the show.

As for Dany going psycho.. I didn't have a problem with it, but yes, that plotline should have been developed more along the way.

I really liked the show on the whole.. But I've gone from wanting to re-watch the entire series about half way through the final season to being glad that it's over with..

[FreshJive]

Dany becoming mad Dany to the point that Jon has to kill her, must have been Martin’s idea for the story from the beginning, right? I know that HBO has been writing the last couple of seasons, but they wouldn’t have made that part up, right? Did anyone actually think that Martin’s idea was that Dany would liberate the world, and she would be pinning medals on Jon and Tyrion like they were Luke Skywalker and r2d2?

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by FreshJive

Dany becoming mad Dany to the point that Jon has to kill her, must have been Martin’s idea for the story from the beginning, right? I know that HBO has been writing the last couple of seasons, but they wouldn’t have made that part up, right? Did anyone actually think that Martin’s idea was that Dany would liberate the world, and she would be pinning medals on Jon and Tyrion like they were Luke Skywalker and r2d2?

I agree that Dany was never meant to be the hero that everyone made her out to be, but I was hoping for a little character development and nuance. Instead she went mad with rage and acted completely out of character.

I think a better way to play it would have been the following: (SPOILER ALERT)


-Dany finds out Jon is a Targaryen first. Sam tells Jorah while Jorah is at Maester Uni being treated, and Jorah tells Dany. This sets up the conflict between Dany's love for Jon and her ruthless desire to rule
-Dany keeps Sam from telling Jon by sending assassins who kill Sam before he can inform Jon
-Dany thinks all is clear not knowing Bran knows
-During the Battle, shit's getting wild and Bran realizes they're on the brink of losing, he goes back in time to warn Aerys Targaryen about the white walker threat
-Bran makes Aerys go mad similar to way he made Hodor go made... we see Bran is responsible for turning Aerys into the "Mad King"
-Bran comes back to the Battle of Winterfell, he sees the night king, he goes into the past one more time warging into the man the children of the forest turned into the Night King to warn the children of the forest... Bran becomes stuck in this body
-Jon begins to battle the Night King and is on the verge of death when a white walker comes up from behind and murders the night king, this white walker is actually Arya wearing a face
-Bran is in a coma never to return
-We see someone Sam trusted receiving a raven noting that in case anything should happen to him, tell Jon he is actually a Targaryen



p.s. these are not all my original ideas, some definitely came from Youtubers who I can't remember at the moment