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LRB · 11-30-2003, 07:38 PM

I know that Erica is real high on getting Chris Mihm. Personally I don't see a senario that I'd agree to as Dallas and that Cleveland would do. Sure if they wanted to give us Mihm and any combination of players for TAW I'd do it in a heart beat.

Now I'm far from the most knowledgeable on this board about the intricacies of the NBA's trade rules, but here's the best that I could come up with that I'd do as a Mavs GM.

[b]Trade 1[\b]

Dallas trades: PF Danny Fortson (2.8 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 0.0 apg in 11.8 minutes)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.6 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.5 apg in 15.2 minutes)
PG Tony Delk (9.0 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 21.0 minutes)
Dallas receives: SF Ricky Davis (16.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 4.9 apg in 37.1 minutes)
SF Darius Miles (9.5 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 2.9 apg in 28.6 minutes)
PG Kevin Ollie (4.5 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 3.1 apg in 17.5 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +15.1 ppg, +1.3 rpg, and +9.6 apg.

Cleveland trades: SF Ricky Davis (16.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 4.9 apg in 37.1 minutes)
SF Darius Miles (9.5 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 2.9 apg in 28.6 minutes)
PG Kevin Ollie (4.5 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 3.1 apg in 17.5 minutes)
Cleveland receives: PF Danny Fortson (2.8 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 0.0 apg in 12 games)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.6 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.5 apg in 17 games)
PG Tony Delk (9.0 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 12 games)
Change in team outlook: -15.1 ppg, -1.3 rpg, and -9.6 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Trade 2

Dallas trades: PF Danny Fortson (2.8 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 0.0 apg in 11.8 minutes)
PG Tony Delk (9.0 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 21.0 minutes)
Dallas receives: SF Darius Miles (9.5 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 2.9 apg in 28.6 minutes)
PF Chris Mihm (8.3 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 0.6 apg in 18.4 minutes)
C Bruno Sundov (2.3 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 7.0 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +8.3 ppg, +5.9 rpg, and +2.7 apg.

Cleveland trades: SF Darius Miles (9.5 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 2.9 apg in 28.6 minutes)
PF Chris Mihm (8.3 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 0.6 apg in 18.4 minutes)
C Bruno Sundov (2.3 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 7.0 minutes)
Cleveland receives: PF Danny Fortson (2.8 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 0.0 apg in 12 games)
PG Tony Delk (9.0 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 12 games)
Change in team outlook: -8.3 ppg, -5.9 rpg, and -2.7 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED
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The key to both trades is that they have to wait until December 21st because of restrictions on Delk because of when we acquired him.

Both trades also depend on placing Fortson in the Leastern conference where his lack of height won't be as much a factor as it is here. Fort could definitely help the Cavs more than the Mavs. Also with the Cavs Fort gets to play PF more, which is his natural position. But does this justify the Cavs taking on the Potato's huge salary? I certainly wouldn't think so.

To help sweeten the deal in both we add Delk. This would allow Cleveland to play Lebron at the 1 and have a very effectived 2 who is great at guarding 1's.

Trade one let's the Cavs get rid of Davis and Miles. Trade 2 they just get ride of Miles.

I do either of these trades as dallas to get Mihm and to possible take a chance Miles. If we get Davis in Trade 1, we shop him until the dead line to resign him and then if we can't make a deal, we let him go.

Cleveland I do eiter of these trades to get rid of baggage (Miles and Davis or Miles and Ollie). I take a chance on the potato able to become a physical and contributing force in the east and in getting a 2 that can allow LeBron to play the 1 without being hurt defensively or offensively by playing someone out of position at the 2. In Trade 1 I get a good roleplayer in Najera, but certainly no reason to do the trade.

Personally I'd veto this 10 times out of 10 as a Cleveland GM. As a Dallas GM, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Either one is a low risk high reward kind of deal.

Nash13 · 11-30-2003, 09:26 PM

I don't like the first one since we'd have no room for Darius Miles, Davis wouldn't fit b/c we still have Finley, and we'd keep depleting in the front court.

I'd like the second one more if Boozer was involved somehow. They don't need Fortson when they themselves have a 6'8 Power Forward.

LRB · 11-30-2003, 09:48 PM

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I don't like the first one since we'd have no room for Darius Miles, Davis wouldn't fit b/c we still have Finley, and we'd keep depleting in the front court.

Miles would take the minutes at the 3 and 4 freed up by Delk, Eddie, and the potato's departure and not claimed by Mihm.

As I said, we only take Davis to trade him. But even if we sit him all year on IR and lose him to FA for nada, it's still a good trade to get Mihm and Miles. Look at it as giving up Fortson and Najera to get Mihm. A good deal, since both play most minutes at center are are undersized for the position. Then we trade Delf for Miles. Delk is a luxary. I already think that he needs to step aside to make more room for Howard. Miles would be a project, but the price is very low and we can afford it and still get better at the same time.

We don't need Boozer. We have tons of PF as it is. We need a center sized body.

Nash13 either deal is a near armed robbery of Cleveland. Dallas makes off like a bandit. Cleveland is the only one getting the shaft. Which is why this almost certainly won't happen IMO. But you can never say never.

bogey · 11-30-2003, 10:56 PM

Cleveland isn't going to trade Bozzer. They love that kid. And they should.

Jamisonite · 11-30-2003, 11:17 PM

no way cleveland takes either of those deals

jayC · 12-01-2003, 12:21 AM

I hate Rickys selfishness, he just doesn't fit the personality of the team. Ricky is a young man's Jerry Stackhouse.

These two trades seem like trades just to do a trade. I think we need role players like delk, najera and fortson. We have enough stars and egos on this team.

SeriousSummer · 12-01-2003, 09:11 AM

I already suggested elsewhere:

Delk for Mihm works.

Delk gives Cleveland a two guard that can guard the point. Perfect to pair with LeBron.

LRB · 12-01-2003, 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by: SeriousSummer
I already suggested elsewhere:

Delk for Mihm works.

Delk gives Cleveland a two guard that can guard the point. Perfect to pair with LeBron.

I actually used your idea to base my trade on. But the one flaw with doing a straight Delk for Mihm trade is that it goes against most every principle of trades in exchanging a small for a Big. There is a 10" height difference in Mihm's favor, Mihm has the youth advantage, and the better stats by far this year. Just think that there would need to be more to sweeten the deal. But then again I don't see any of my proposed trades working as well, so this one probably has just a good of shot if not better.

Blonde Bomber · 12-01-2003, 11:23 AM

Walker + Jamison + Davis + Miles all at SF would be a nightmare to please all of them with minutes. I want NO part of Davis. Love his skill but he would pouting about playing time and not getting enough shots...would be a cancer.

Now if we could find a way to get Miles and Big Z.........

What about this bomb of a trade....

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (16.9 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 4.3 apg in 36.7 minutes)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.6 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.5 apg in 15.2 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Zydrunas Illgauskas (15.8 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 1.5 apg in 32.6 minutes)
SF Darius Miles (9.5 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 2.9 apg in 28.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +4.8 ppg, -1.9 rpg, and -0.4 apg.

Cleveland trades: C Zydrunas Illgauskas (15.8 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 1.5 apg in 32.6 minutes)
SF Darius Miles (9.5 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 2.9 apg in 28.6 minutes)
Cleveland receives: PF Antoine Walker (16.9 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 4.3 apg in 17 games)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.6 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.5 apg in 17 games)
Change in team outlook: -4.8 ppg, +1.9 rpg, and +0.4 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

LINEUP:

PG: Nash, Best, Daniels
SG: Finley, Howard, Delk
SF: Jamison, Miles
PF: Nowitzki, Fortson
C: Big Z, Big Shawn

How fun would it be to see the starters get subbed in the second quater and see the threesome of Howard, Daniels, and Miles come on the court...THAT would be fun to watch.

EricaLubarsky · 12-01-2003, 12:07 PM

Im actually not that high on Mihm so everybody knows- I dont think he's an allstar who will single-handedly carry the team, but I like the kid. I also like him a heck of a lot more than I like big Z because getting big Z would require trading away a lot and Z doesnt give us much defense. Bringing Mihm back to Texas would be pretty cheap (Delk?) and he plays decent defense, he doesnt float away on defense and he won't shoot threes.

That said, I would only do the second of LRBs trades. IT sucks to give up Delk, but I had a feeling he would be a trade token when he came from Boston anyway. Fortson? If we didnt have Nowitzki, Jamison and Walker plugging up the Forward spots I would play him SF/PF but there is no room for him at Forward in Dallas and his days of Center are hopefully coming to an end.

LRB · 12-01-2003, 01:25 PM

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Originally posted by: Blonde Bomber
Walker + Jamison + Davis + Miles all at SF would be a nightmare to please all of them with minutes. I want NO part of Davis. Love his skill but he would pouting about playing time and not getting enough shots...would be a cancer.

Now if we could find a way to get Miles and Big Z.........

What about this bomb of a trade....

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (16.9 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 4.3 apg in 36.7 minutes)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.6 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.5 apg in 15.2 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Zydrunas Illgauskas (15.8 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 1.5 apg in 32.6 minutes)
SF Darius Miles (9.5 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 2.9 apg in 28.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +4.8 ppg, -1.9 rpg, and -0.4 apg.

Cleveland trades: C Zydrunas Illgauskas (15.8 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 1.5 apg in 32.6 minutes)
SF Darius Miles (9.5 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 2.9 apg in 28.6 minutes)
Cleveland receives: PF Antoine Walker (16.9 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 4.3 apg in 17 games)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.6 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.5 apg in 17 games)
Change in team outlook: -4.8 ppg, +1.9 rpg, and +0.4 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

LINEUP:

PG: Nash, Best, Daniels
SG: Finley, Howard, Delk
SF: Jamison, Miles
PF: Nowitzki, Fortson
C: Big Z, Big Shawn

How fun would it be to see the starters get subbed in the second quater and see the threesome of Howard, Daniels, and Miles come on the court...THAT would be fun to watch.

So I trade an allstar Forward capable of playing either the SF or PF position, currently playing allstar level basketball and averaging a near double double and a career spare holding steady in his contributions with a super attitude

for

a broken down center that has yet to play anywhere close to a full season and who only has possibly a couple of years left before he's forced out of the league for health issues and a career spare on the way down with a bad attitude.

No, no way in hell I do this one if I'm Dallas.

Jamisonite · 12-01-2003, 07:05 PM

Ok i want NO part of Darius Miles or Ricky Davis. We have had enough trouble getting walker and jamison happy add one more guy with an even bigger ego than both of them and we wont make the playoffs. The only players on clev i like (that we could actually get) are Ollie, Boozer, and Mihm. But they love boozer so i guess just Mihm and Ollie.... So maybe we package Delk, Najera, and someone else for Ollie and Mihm?

Tony tha Mavs fan · 12-04-2003, 01:19 PM

Texas a logical destination for former Longhorn center

11:27 PM CST on Wednesday, December 3, 2003

A long, lost center from Texas is finally making some noise. Let’s hope not everybody has forgotten about him.

It’s only taken 3 1/2 years, but Chris Mihm, the 7-footer from Austin and the University of Texas, has finally figured out how to prosper in the NBA.

Mihm struggled badly in his first three seasons with the Cleveland Cavaliers. But this season, he’s averaging 8.3 points and 6.3 rebounds in only 18.4 minutes per game.

His rebounding average puts him in the top five in the NBA per 48 minutes (see chart).

The best news regarding Mihm is that he is a restricted free agent after this season. With LeBron James destined to be the life of Cleveland’s party for years to come, it would be understandable if Mihm might want to stay with the Cavs and ride that wave as far as it goes.

But don’t give up on the possibility of Mihm returning to Texas. The Mavericks would be foolish not to see what it would take to work out a sign-and-trade to acquire Mihm next summer. The price would be high. But not so high that it would send them running for cover.

And with Yao Ming and Tim Duncan set for the next decade or so with Houston and San Antonio, respectively, the Mavericks are going to need something resembling a legitimate center to compete.
BOARD MEN
NBA’s best rebounders per 48 minutes
Rank Player, team Avg. rebounds per 48 minutes
1. Erick Dampier, Golden State 19.3
2. Marcus Camby, Denver 18.7
3. Tim Duncan, San Antonio 18.0
4. Kevin Garnett, Minnesota 17.3
5. Chris Mihm, Cleveland 16.5
6. Robert Traylor, New Orleans 15.8
7. Mehmet Okur, Detroit 15.7
8. Jeff Foster, Indiana 15.6
9. Dan Gadzuric, Milwaukee 15.5
10. Reggie Evans, Seattle 15.4
10. David West, New Orleans 15.4
Notes: Through Monday. The Mavericks’ Danny Fortson is averaging 19.3 rebounds per 48 minutes but has not played enough games to qualify.

Dirkenstien · 12-04-2003, 07:49 PM

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Originally posted by: Tony tha Mavs fan
Texas a logical destination for former Longhorn center

11:27 PM CST on Wednesday, December 3, 2003

A long, lost center from Texas is finally making some noise. Let’s hope not everybody has forgotten about him.

It’s only taken 3 1/2 years, but Chris Mihm, the 7-footer from Austin and the University of Texas, has finally figured out how to prosper in the NBA.

Mihm struggled badly in his first three seasons with the Cleveland Cavaliers. But this season, he’s averaging 8.3 points and 6.3 rebounds in only 18.4 minutes per game.

His rebounding average puts him in the top five in the NBA per 48 minutes (see chart).

The best news regarding Mihm is that he is a restricted free agent after this season. With LeBron James destined to be the life of Cleveland’s party for years to come, it would be understandable if Mihm might want to stay with the Cavs and ride that wave as far as it goes.

But don’t give up on the possibility of Mihm returning to Texas. The Mavericks would be foolish not to see what it would take to work out a sign-and-trade to acquire Mihm next summer. The price would be high. But not so high that it would send them running for cover.

And with Yao Ming and Tim Duncan set for the next decade or so with Houston and San Antonio, respectively, the Mavericks are going to need something resembling a legitimate center to compete.
BOARD MEN
NBA’s best rebounders per 48 minutes
Rank Player, team Avg. rebounds per 48 minutes
1. Erick Dampier, Golden State 19.3
2. Marcus Camby, Denver 18.7
3. Tim Duncan, San Antonio 18.0
4. Kevin Garnett, Minnesota 17.3
5. Chris Mihm, Cleveland 16.5
6. Robert Traylor, New Orleans 15.8
7. Mehmet Okur, Detroit 15.7
8. Jeff Foster, Indiana 15.6
9. Dan Gadzuric, Milwaukee 15.5
10. Reggie Evans, Seattle 15.4
10. David West, New Orleans 15.4
Notes: Through Monday. The Mavericks’ Danny Fortson is averaging 19.3 rebounds per 48 minutes but has not played enough games to qualify.

Why wait till the summer? we need to trade for him now

dirkformvp · 12-04-2003, 08:11 PM

i dont think we should trade so fast, we have to wait for the right time to do it. yes we need a big man but we need a big man that can help us on defense and offensive rebounding

Dirkenstien · 12-04-2003, 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by: dirkformvp
i dont think we should trade so fast, we have to wait for the right time to do it. yes we need a big man but we need a big man that can help us on defense and offensive rebounding

and by making a trade such as Delk for Mihm we would infact acquire such attributes making it rediculous to wait on making a trade that will benefit your team almost instantly. The logic fails to emerge on your theory dirkformvp for the simple fact that if you can make a trade that will assist your team in making a run for a championship then you should accomplish such a task as immediately as the opportunity portrays itself

LRB · 12-04-2003, 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by: dirkformvp
i dont think we should trade so fast, we have to wait for the right time to do it. yes we need a big man but we need a big man that can help us on defense and offensive rebounding

1st of all we need a tall Big man to go with Shawn Bradley who can man the middle and has enough height and shot blocking ability to shut down the middle. One on one defense is nice, but we need help defense and zone defense. Doesn't have to be great, just adequate. We have one hell of a talented team other than the 5 spot. If we can just improve our weakest position just a little then I think it can put us over the top. We should do any trade that we're going to do at the earliest possible opportunity so that this team can jell. It is counter productive to wait. We want to be playing great basketball by the end of April and try and get the best seeding possible. In case anyone is blind and stoopid, we suck on the road this year. HCA in the playoffs is more paramount than ever. Every series that we can gain the HCA is a great benefit. Making late trades does little to help us there. We take longer to fulfill our need and have less time to jell as a team.

dirkformvp · 12-04-2003, 08:49 PM

very true, our man to man is good, but any other defense isnt as efficient as man 2 man, we need to focus on a big man but right now the only way to get a big man is to lose one of our big 5 and that wouldnt be good. if anything the possible people we would trade is jamison or walker. the longer we wait the less chance we will have to get a big man, we must gel the team so we can improve our fg%