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DevinHarriswillstart · 01-08-2024, 08:58 PM

The Pascal trade with Sacramento apparently fell through because he wouldn't commit to staying with the team past the summer.

BPo001 · 01-08-2024, 09:34 PM

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The Pascal trade with Sacramento apparently fell through because he wouldn't commit to staying with the team past the summer.

Hmm wonder if he already know where he wants to go? Probably Miami. Everyone wants to go to Miami.

Kidd Karma · 01-09-2024, 03:02 AM

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The Pascal trade with Sacramento apparently fell through because he wouldn't commit to staying with the team past the summer.

How can he commit, if there is no offer sheet of an extension.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-09-2024, 05:12 AM

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How can he commit, if there is no offer sheet of an extension.

He won't commit to re-signing in the summer.

EricaLubarsky · 01-08-2024, 10:51 PM

What about Biyombo?

Cheap contract. Expiring. Grizz are NOT going anywhere this season and he may leave this summer.

Probably can?t play PF because of spacing but can be a backup C who can defend and rebound.

rimrocker · 01-09-2024, 04:21 AM

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What about Biyombo? I

Cheap contract. Expiring. Grizz are NOT going anywhere this season and he may leave this summer.

Probably can?t play PF because of spacing but can be a backup C who can defend and rebound.

I like Biyombo but figure he'd become too well acquainted with Holmes at the end of the bench.

I'm wondering if we could deal with Bulls in a trade that involves Patrick William's and Drummond.

Would Hardy/Maxi for Williams/Drummond have any chance?

BPo001 · 01-10-2024, 10:41 PM

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What about Biyombo?

Cheap contract. Expiring. Grizz are NOT going anywhere this season and he may leave this summer.

Probably can?t play PF because of spacing but can be a backup C who can defend and rebound.

Adrian Wojnarowski: The Grizzlies are waiving center Bismack Biyombo, sources tell ESPN. He made a good impact with franchise and could be brought back again. Memphis is expected to add another big on a newly available two-way contract. ? via Twitter wojespn

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-09-2024, 10:55 AM

Mavs interested in Kuzma.

https://twitter.com/NBATradeReport/s...29867097362887

EricaLubarsky · 01-09-2024, 11:23 AM

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Mavs interested in Kuzma.

https://twitter.com/NBATradeReport/s...29867097362887

Huh. I think I like it if the cost is right.
+Could shoot 40% here from three with open shots
+Bigger (6'9" is legit for a PF)
+long and disruptive
-Not a great defender
-not a great rebounder (but better than both DJJ and GWill who are playing the 4)
-big contract (4/90, but it goes down from 25this year to 19 in year 4)

Probably means: THJ/Holmes/youth, or Holmes/Kleber/Green

SMC0007 · 01-09-2024, 01:48 PM

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Huh. I think I like it if the cost is right.
+Could shoot 40% here from three with open shots
+Bigger (6'9" is legit for a PF)
+long and disruptive
-Not a great defender
-not a great rebounder (but better than both DJJ and GWill who are playing the 4)
-big contract (4/90, but it goes down from 25this year to 19 in year 4)

Probably means: THJ/Holmes/youth, or Holmes/Kleber/Green

Kuzma woukd be a fine option. We would be a lot more versatile at 3/4 with DJJ and Kuzma. Instead of relying on Grant and insert whoever.. Omax, Lawson. The problem I personally have is that it doesnt completely eliminate the need for DP.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-09-2024, 11:42 AM

It's just not a great market for our needs this year. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't make a move.

But if they did get someone like Siakam, then we would be a top 4 team if not the best.

Luka/Kyrie/DJJ/Siakam/Lively...you'd be nuts not to try and get that done if you can.

Melonhead · 01-09-2024, 12:31 PM

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It's just not a great market for our needs this year. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't make a move.

But if they did get someone like Siakam, then we would be a top 4 team if not the best.

Luka/Kyrie/DJJ/Siakam/Lively...you'd be nuts not to try and get that done if you can.

If he's telling Kings hes not interested in signing an offer in the summer, teams would be nuts to get a rental and risk him walking.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-09-2024, 12:41 PM

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If he's telling Kings hes not interested in signing an offer in the summer, teams would be nuts to get a rental and risk him walking.

Totally agree, but do you want to win a ring this year? It's certainly worth the debate. You're going to have to sacrifice assets for that chance now.

But seeing as it seems like GS and Dallas are the only real suitors right now, welp, stranger things have happened.

As Josh Bowe mentioned on twitter/x, Dallas is a much better basketball situation for him. (And city if we're being honest with regards to family and safety).

EricaLubarsky · 01-09-2024, 01:50 PM

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Totally agree, but do you want to win a ring this year? It's certainly worth the debate. You're going to have to sacrifice assets for that chance now.

But seeing as it seems like GS and Dallas are the only real suitors right now, welp, stranger things have happened.

As Josh Bowe mentioned on twitter/x, Dallas is a much better basketball situation for him. (And city if we're being honest with regards to family and safety).

Ha! Honesty.

Like when we told McGee he was our starter.

Melonhead · 01-09-2024, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Totally agree, but do you want to win a ring this year? It's certainly worth the debate. You're going to have to sacrifice assets for that chance now.

But seeing as it seems like GS and Dallas are the only real suitors right now, welp, stranger things have happened.

As Josh Bowe mentioned on twitter/x, Dallas is a much better basketball situation for him. (And city if we're being honest with regards to family and safety).

Do I want to leverage the last assets we have for 6 months rental? Not really. Its not like Kawhi is coming in to put us over the top. Siakam doesnt guarantee anything for these playoffs.

Maybe if they were a 2-3 seed and needed that little extra push. This team is still very much in the finishing stages of a rebuild after being the 11 seed.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-09-2024, 03:03 PM

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Do I want to leverage the last assets we have for 6 months rental? Not really. Its not like Kawhi is coming in to put us over the top. Siakam doesnt guarantee anything for these playoffs.

Maybe if they were a 2-3 seed and needed that little extra push. This team is still very much in the finishing stages of a rebuild after being the 11 seed.

I don't think it will cost us the last assets we have anymore. Doubt he reups with Indiana or Atlanta. It's gonna be THJ/Holmes/Green and a first from their end. But with Dallas holding onto Green and GS Kuminga, then I'm not sure it will be that either. The Sacramento trade was for mainly Barnes and draft picks.

THJ/Holmes/Prosper and a first I think gets it done if GS holds firm. You definitely have to consider that.

EricaLubarsky · 01-09-2024, 11:52 AM

I think it's a great market. Lots of crazy good talent being shopped that meet our needs (Stewart, Siakam, Kuzma, etc.)

The only problem is the asking price for bigs has seen some crazy inflation and we just don't have the assets for some of the deals and the others would empty our bank account. With only the assets for one semi-major deal, we have to make the next deal count.

Melonhead · 01-09-2024, 12:27 PM

Idk how much I trust Kuzma's personality. Feel like he would want to take over at times we need Kyrie and Luka to take over. He thinks he's a 1a...depends on his committment I guess.

I truly just want a pf/center that can get some rebounds and Lively some rest.

EricaLubarsky · 01-09-2024, 03:45 PM

BTW Kuzma cannot be traded until January 15th

They can announce, but would be stupid to before that. Otherwise it will be at least next week.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-09-2024, 04:12 PM

Kuzma's price will be too steep since he is just signed that contract this past summer. Kings nearly got him and will have the best package for him.

EricaLubarsky · 01-09-2024, 05:32 PM

Shams says we are looking primarily at a starting-caliber PF

I was annoyed when I heard it but honestly it?s the right call.

Kyrie/Exum/Luka/Siakam/Lively could cause playoff troubles. We depend on Lively but honestly not sure there?s a guy out there where we?d be fine if Lively was injured and not sure out last move should be a backup 5

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-09-2024, 05:42 PM

Well Siakam can play some small ball 5 which he almost assuredly will. We all know it's not the perfect move, but we would only dream of it last season. Now I actually believe the FO can pull it off if they wanted to.

Apparently, Mavs are betting favorites to land him.

https://twitter.com/aaronbenrose/sta...321952946?s=42

This if course means we'll end up with Isaiah Stewart.

SMC0007 · 01-09-2024, 07:05 PM

Oh when Sham says we are looking for a starting caliber PF theres a different reaction than when I said it. 🙄 . This place is a snake pit. Lol.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-09-2024, 07:23 PM

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Oh when Sham says we are looking for a starting caliber PF theres a different reaction than when I said it. 🙄 . This place is a snake pit. Lol.

What do you mean? Did someone not believe you?

SMC0007 · 01-09-2024, 09:11 PM

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What do you mean? Did someone not believe you?

A few ppl hurt my feelings saying we needed starting center instead, and said I was stupid for not wanting to give up the farm for Capela as they shoved me down in the hall, took my glasses and laughed at me.

saclare · 01-10-2024, 10:38 AM

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A few ppl hurt my feelings saying we needed starting center instead, and said I was stupid for not wanting to give up the farm for Capela as they shoved me down in the hall, took my glasses and laughed at me.

Not sure I saw that tbh curious why would you prefer a starting center instead of a starting PF? To me, the move is the latter with a backup C and/or defensive wing to boot. Not sure a wing will be available, so to the bigs it is. Hope Green and Williams figure it out and continue to rock DJJ across the board.

SMC0007 · 01-10-2024, 12:01 PM

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Not sure I saw that tbh curious why would you prefer a starting center instead of a starting PF? To me, the move is the latter with a backup C and/or defensive wing to boot. Not sure a wing will be available, so to the bigs it is. Hope Green and Williams figure it out and continue to rock DJJ across the board.

Its a joke really. But the pushback I got was it was crazy to suggest we didnt HAVE to have Capela when we needed a versatile PF more. I didn't want Capela because it would push Lively to bench and stifle somw of his growth.

Much like everyone else here, Ive had a few bad ideas over the years, but if I were GM, for a few weeks, we would have Bane and Drummond now and be contenders. Instead we have DP, Maxi and Green...and Grant.

EricaLubarsky · 01-10-2024, 01:39 PM

I mean, there were two periods of time, and some are getting folded together.

OFFSEASON (pre-draft) we were without a single decent center (even Powell was an FA). We all wanted Capela and insulted the FA for not getting him. Then it turned out that it would have cost us Lively, Green, OMax, and Holmes. That is a crazy package.

After the draft/This season, the discussion whipped back up. I still think Capela is the perfect backup to Lively, but it comes down to cost.

I guess my only question is if we can only get one guy, are we better with a:

A) a full-time Kuzma/Siakam/Grant starting at PF and praying Lively stays healthy/can be good that game
or
B) starting GWill/DJJ at PF and consistently having a good center on the floor with Lively/Capela (or other backup)

In a perfect world, we'd address both, but I am leaning toward A if we only get one (and I think based on our assets that is where we are). We just gotta pray for Lively to stay healthy either way. We could be dominant if he's good and we have more length/size in the frontcourt.

If he's injured, we're probably screwed either way, but maybe we could get a few min from Kleber/Powell/Holmes/Morris, or we can go small like the Jazz game.

Melonhead · 01-10-2024, 02:13 PM

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I mean, there were two periods of time, and some are getting folded together.

OFFSEASON (pre-draft) we were without a single decent center (even Powell was an FA). We all wanted Capela and insulted the FA for not getting him. Then it turned out that it would have cost us Lively, Green, OMax, and Holmes. That is a crazy package.

After the draft/This season, the discussion whipped back up. I still think Capela is the perfect backup to Lively, but it comes down to cost.

I guess my only question is if we can only get one guy, are we better with a:

A) a full-time Kuzma/Siakam/Grant starting at PF and praying Lively stays healthy/can be good that game
or
B) starting GWill/DJJ at PF and consistently having a good center on the floor with Lively/Capela (or other backup)

In a perfect world, we'd address both, but I am leaning toward A if we only get one (and I think based on our assets that is where we are). We just gotta pray for Lively to stay healthy either way. We could be dominant if he's good and we have more length/size in the frontcourt.

If he's injured, we're probably screwed either way, but maybe we could get a few min from Kleber/Powell/Holmes/Morris, or we can go small like the Jazz game.

I know we're scraping the barrel here for centers available right now, but Lively needs rest during these games even when he comes back.

If they get Siakam, sign a Taj Gibson to backup Lively. A small trade for Plumlee would be nice, but who knows how much it would take to get Siakam.

Or if Siakam can small ball 5 in Lively's place that works too.

saclare · 01-10-2024, 04:40 PM

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I know we're scraping the barrel here for centers available right now, but Lively needs rest during these games even when he comes back.

If they get Siakam, sign a Taj Gibson to backup Lively. A small trade for Plumlee would be nice, but who knows how much it would take to get Siakam.

Or if Siakam can small ball 5 in Lively's place that works too.

Even if he can play small ball, need a backup center.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-10-2024, 02:09 PM

I don't really care if it's a 4 or 5 as long as the player rebounds. I feel very strongly that if we fix that one thing that the sky is the limit.

saclare · 01-10-2024, 04:39 PM

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I don't really care if it's a 4 or 5 as long as the player rebounds. I feel very strongly that if we fix that one thing that the sky is the limit.

This. Rebounds are damn near a turnover in the sense. On defense, it limits the second+ chances for the opposing offense and ideally lead to more fast breaks and transition. On offense, duh...extra opportunities and to a much smaller degree, limiting the other team from initiating easy offense out of uncontested rebounds (not always, but it would have an effect)

Rebound = possession

SMC0007 · 01-10-2024, 04:56 PM

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This. Rebounds are damn near a turnover in the sense. On defense, it limits the second+ chances for the opposing offense and ideally lead to more fast breaks and transition. On offense, duh...extra opportunities and to a much smaller degree, limiting the other team from initiating easy offense out of uncontested rebounds (not always, but it would have an effect)

Rebound = possession

It really is basically a turnover.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-10-2024, 05:39 PM

Biyombo was waived. Mavs should be all over that.

Dallas41 · 01-14-2024, 11:32 AM

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Biyombo was waived. Mavs should be all over that.

They have Holmes and he doesn't even play.

I doubt Biyombo plays ahead of Powell because Kidd won't trust him either.

I think it's time we all accept the facts that Powell is our backup/starting center.

The mavs every year will tell us they are looking to upgrade but that doesn't mean Powell won't stay in the rotations.

They will give other bigs a short leash in order to keep Powell involved

EricaLubarsky · 01-10-2024, 05:47 PM

Holmes posting all over that he is disrespected here.

A) he?s right. Kidd does this to everyone like Wood
Or
B) Kidd is right? he?s small for a center and doesn?t have the skill to be a forward
C) it doesn?t matter. Dude gave up money to come here in a hugely generous move and Mavs treated him like garbage which will be a bat signal to the rest of the league that we?re an embarrassment

SMC0007 · 01-10-2024, 06:47 PM

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Holmes posting all over that he is disrespected here.

A) he?s right. Kidd does this to everyone like Wood
Or
B) Kidd is right? he?s small for a center and doesn?t have the skill to be a forward
C) it doesn?t matter. Dude gave up money to come here in a hugely generous move and Mavs treated him like garbage which will be a bat signal to the rest of the league that we?re an embarrassment

Never know what goes on behind closed doors but we know Jkidd roster mgmt/ rotations are fvcked. From outside looking in, Kidd has a habit of fvcking over any chance of getting the most out of certain players.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-10-2024, 06:19 PM

Luka out vs the Knicks.

EricaLubarsky · 01-10-2024, 07:14 PM

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Luka out vs the Knicks.

half full: Lively back. Kleber closer to return.

Melonhead · 01-10-2024, 07:58 PM

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half full: Lively back. Kleber closer to return.

Lively is doubtful