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Old 03-24-2006, 12:43 AM   #81
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Oh, btw...you can see where I got those figures here:
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He put up good numbers but they were easy numbers. He played the game below the rim. It will be interesting to see if he can pick it up when the intensity level is a little higher.
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One thing I noticed, the Suns took more FT's than Portland. I think the Suns are last in league in getting to the FT line, so Amare helps in that respect.
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C'mon, the Suns aren't 25th in defense. Please don't tell me you are going on points allowed. How do they rank in points per possession? Halfway through the season they were top five...
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C'mon, the Suns aren't 25th in defense. Please don't tell me you are going on points allowed. How do they rank in points per possession? Halfway through the season they were top five...
Ah, caught me. Forgot about the up-and-down offense.

They allow 105 ppts (points per 100 possessions). Mavs allow 104. Blazers 111.

I doubt they're #5 still.

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Spurs 99, Pistons 103, Memphis 102, Warriors 106...etc. etc...from 82games.com
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Last time I checked they were 10th or 11th. They were #1 back in early December and have been slowly dropping since then.
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No stat you show me could possibly convince me that the Suns aren't a bad defensive team. I wouldn't say that they're the worst in the league by any means, but they are pretty bad.
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The fact is that all of the players on the Suns are aware that their style of basketball will pad their stats dramatically. Thus, in order to take advantage of this rare opportunity and help them land big contracts that would probably be very unlikely otherwise (ala Q-Rich and Joe Johnson) they must not foul on the defensive end so that they can stay on the court and get a piece of the pie on the offensive end. This is why you see so many easy lay-up drills against the Suns when you watch them play.
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I don't disagree with you, but technically Q-Rich got his contract before he started playing with the Suns (he signed as a free agent from the Clips in the 2004 off-season).
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I don't disagree with you, but technically Q-Rich got his contract before he started playing with the Suns (he signed as a free agent from the Clips in the 2004 off-season).
Thanks for the info Orangedays; I should have remembered that but completely forgot.
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Oh sweet lord, if the Mavs beat the Spurs, it's going to be soooooooo heavenly to watch them kick the ever-loving sh*t out of the Suns. Really, it will just be downright sublime.
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Tougher line for the A-Train tonight, after the big numbers in his first game back. Amazing how often you see a player come in and put up big numbers on little more than adrenaline--Tim Thomas and Qyntel Woods come to mind this year.

A. Stoudemire F 16:38 2-7 0-0 2-2 1 4 5 2 0 0 0 1 6

Still wonder to what extent he'll be able to come back, and the timetable for it. Both Webber and Kidd look productive again, though neither is dominant.

Don't think it will be this year for Stoudemire.

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I watched most of the first half and it wasn't just adrenaline, it was Portland.

He now plays the game below the rim. plus it looks like he's coasting.
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Apparently his knee was quite sore on friday. Looks like they're keeping his minutes to a minimum, which is good. I don't think he'll be ready for much more than 15-20 minutes a game this season.
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In knee deep
Amare's comeback doesn't have Sunny precedent

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Amare Stoudemire's return to the Phoenix Suns is being closely watched, and not just from a basketball standpoint. Several others players who have undergone the same "mircofracture" knee surgery haven't come close to regaining their previous form. The list includes Jason Kidd, Allan Houston, Kerry Kittles, Chris Webber and Penny Hardaway. Of the five, only Kidd and Webber are still playing, with varying degrees of success. Kidd clearly isn't what he used to be on a nightly basis, but he's still a top player. In most games, though, Webber can hardly get off the floor.
"You have to be really careful with this type of surgery," said Hardaway, one of the first players to have the procedure, in May, 2000. "You really have to give the procedure a chance to work and for the knee to heal. If you don't, you're asking for trouble."
Stoudemire gave it five months to heal and the initial results were impressive. In his season debut Thursday against Portland, he collected 20 points and nine boards in only 19 minutes. But the Suns still have four sets of back-to-back games, including tomorrow at the Meadowlands against the Nets and Tuesday in Milwaukee, and nobody really knows how the young star will respond over the long run.
The Suns' doctors maintain that Stoudemire has a good chance to continue to be a dominant player. They point to several factors: He's still young (23), the lesion removed was less than one centimeter in diamater, the location was non-threatening to the knee and the knee is in a non-arthritic state.
But Denver's Kenyon Martin has been struggling all season after having microfracture surgery. Perhaps that's why Martin's coach, George Karl, sounded a strong note of caution when considering Stoudemire's impact down the stretch.
"I don't think he's ever going to be the dominant player he was in the playoffs last year," Karl said. "That would be a high compliment to him. My gut says he's going to have similar problems with knee soreness, swelling. But maybe not. A part of growing and healing is genetic."
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Hey, if you have a chance to 'accidentally' kick him in the knee....go for it.
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I just have a feeling he is going to try to push too hard and mess something up again. He relies too much on athleticism...I don't think his knees will hold up. Anyhow, if Pheonix wants to gamble then let them because we win both ways. Either he re-hurts himself and sits out again or he comes back and we still woop them in the playoffs.
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Sounds as though they will continue to limit his minutes.

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Amaré Stoudemire's minutes could gradually increase after the coming weeklong road trip.

Come playoff time, the key will be deciphering whether Stoudemire is at a level to be featured like last season or somewhere shy of that.

"He doesn't have to be the No. 1 guy, the No. 2 guy or the No. 3 guy," Suns coach Mike D'Antoni said. "He just has to be one of the top eight guys."

Suns trainer Aaron Nelson said Stoudemire will be limited to 20-22 minutes each game in the road back-to-back sets - Monday and Tuesday at New Jersey and Milwaukee, and then Thursday and Friday at Indiana and Toronto. His minutes could then gradually increase, starting with next Sunday's game in Detroit.

"There's a point in (every NBA season when) talent stops being important and chemistry and character become more important, and I think Phoenix is probably in that stretch," Denver coach George Karl said. "It's a situation that's got to be handled and probably once it's handled you're happy about it. There's some growing pains to it. There might be a loss that you might not have had, but in the same sense he might win a playoff game that the (team) would've lost."

Stoudemire told Nelson his knees felt better Saturday morning than Friday, when he had some muscle stiffness.
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Stoudemire appears to have lost his explosiveness around the basket...
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He now plays the game below the rim. plus it looks like he's coasting.
yep, he looks like your everyday, run of the mill, PF right now. Plus, he is a absolutely horrible defender. He better really work on his jumpshot now. Not to say that he won't get it back, which he might, but it couldn't have happened to a better guy. Black Jesus, please...you look pretty mortal now...
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The Suns are shutting Amare down for a while.

Stoudemire shut down
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If the Phoenix Suns are going to win an NBA championship this season -- and that is their stated goal -- they will most likely have to do it without star frontcourtman Amare' Stoudemire.

Stoudemire's comeback from surgery on his left knee lasted only three games before the Suns decided to shut him down, "maybe for three days, maybe for 10 days, maybe for the rest of the season," according to coach/general manager Mike D'Antoni.

The best guess? The rest of the season.

D'Antoni made the decision hours after the Suns' most disappointing loss of the season, a 110-72 torching by the New Jersey Nets on Monday night at Continental Airlines Arena. Stoudemire started that game but played only 14 minutes (missing all six of his shots from the floor) and was obviously at no more than 30 percent efficiency. He jogged up and down the court, had very little lift and even winced from time to time when he landed.

"It's mostly stiffness but I have some pain, too," said Stoudemire on Tuesday morning from Milwaukee, where the Suns, 47-22 and still the odds-on favorite to win the Pacific Division, are scheduled to play the Bucks this evening. "I felt like I was improving -- that's why I came back -- but then the knee just started getting tighter and tighter. It felt like I was going to pull something all the time."

Stoudemire had surgery on Oct. 11, during the preseason, to repair a microfracture (about one centimeter wide) on his left knee. That was about a week after he had signed a five-year extension worth about $73 million. Dr. Tom Carter, the Suns' team physician, compared the lesion to a "pothole," which Carter said would get bigger and become harder to treat as time passed. Carter used a surgical awl to poke five shallow holes around the lesion, three millimeters apart, to facilitate the bleeding that will harden and form the "fibrocartilage" that will fill in the tiny hole.

The Suns heard no dearth of dire reminders about other players (Chris Webber, Penny Hardaway, Kenyon Martin to name three) whose careers had been thwarted by similar surgeries. But the plan all along was to get Stoudemire back for this season, provided there were no extenuating circumstances; the initial projection was for Stoudemire to come back "around the All-Star Game" in February. Carter said comparisons to other injuries were meaningless, considering Stoudemire's age (he's just 23) and the fact that his knee was in otherwise ideal condition.

Stoudemire rehabbed with trainer Aaron Harris and began limited oncourt workouts in January. His surgically repaired knee started to come around, but he began to experience stiffness and fluid buildup on his right knee, probably from overcompensation, and his comeback was pushed to "sometime in March." He would have one good practice, then not be able to go the following day. It was a roller-coaster ride that continued into the second week of March. Finally, after three straight days of work without much pain or swelling in either knee, the man the Suns call STAT (for "Stand Tall and Talented," the slogan Stoudemire gave to himself as a teenager), declared himself ready for a home game against the Portland Trail Blazers on March 23.

D'Antoni decided to start him but monitor his minutes and Stoudemire had 20 points in 19 minutes as the Suns breezed to a 125-108 victory. Suns fans began licking their chops: We were already the third-best team in the Western Conference, probably the fourth-best team in the NBA, without him. How good are we now?

But coaches, teammates and the Suns' medical staff weren't so confident, seeing the extent to which Stoudemire's mobility was limited (on many nights, a player of Stoudemire's talent needs only to be about 60 percent to dominate the Trail Blazers.) He started two nights later against Denver in a 107-96 loss and looked stiffer and slower. And the game against New Jersey, the start of a week-long road trip that ends on Sunday in a showdown against the Detroit Pistons at the Palace of Auburn Hills, convinced D'Antoni, the Suns' medical staff and Stoudemire himself that he wasn't ready.

"As a coach you always want your best players back," says D'Antoni. "But I had to put on my general manager's hat, too. We have a lot invested in Amare' and we want him around for a long time. He'll be practicing, doing mostly one-on-one stuff. So we'll see. But he won't come back before he's ready."

For his part, Stoudemire concedes that he's disappointed. "I wanted to come back, help us win a championship this year," he says. "And maybe I still will. But I gotta get this thing right."

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This makes sense. No reason to flush the Suns' playoff chances down the toilet by trying to force Stoudemire back when he isn't ready and won't be anytime soon.
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I agree. It should be more important to the Suns that Amare be able play next year...and the year after that...and the year after that..and the year after that...(almost there) and the year after that...(one more) and the year after that (whew!).

Thank goodness for guaranteed max contracts, heh?
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Evidently he's done for the year.
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Old 03-29-2006, 01:14 AM   #108
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Old 03-29-2006, 12:22 PM   #109
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Evidently he's done for the year.
No doubt... but I'm thinking he might be done for the next as well.
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