A Breakdown of the Mavs Missed Opportunities Over the Past Year - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

tap2390 · 03-29-2021, 09:13 AM

A lot of us are upset that the FO hasn't done enough to surround Luka with top-tier talent or at least gather assets that will allow the Mavs to have more flexibility making moves in the future. The point of this thread is to analyze the moves that fans are most upset about to see if the Mavs actually made a misstep, or simply didn't have the assets to compete with alternative deals:

2020 Offseason

Christian Wood
Wood was a UFA who agreed to 3 years/ $41 million with the Rockets. Rockets facilitated the signing by working a sign-and-trade agreement where they sent the Pistons #16, cash, Trevor Ariza, and a future 2nd, in exchange for Wood, a future 1st (heavily protected), and a future 2nd.

Given their cap situation, the Mavs couldn't have signed Wood outright. Had they pursued Wood more aggressively could they have worked out an agreement with the Pistons that had them sending them the #18 pick? Probably. Why didn't they? Probably the money they had committed to KP and Powell and the thought that Wood may be redundant, or that resources were better committed elsewhere. That being said, even if Wood was being brought off the bench, at $14 million a year he would be an absolute steal.

Verdict: MISS

Saddiq Bey/ Immanuel Quickley/ Desmond Bane
The early steals of the draft. All three were available with the Mavs pick. We took Josh Green instead. If would be a bit revisionist to say that the Mavs should've taken Quickley or Bane at #18 when many of us would have considered that a reach with the other options on the board. There's no question that Green's upside and pedigree (#13 in his class, consensus 5-star recruit) is impressive.

Quickley is basically a longer, bigger, better defensively Seth Curry. He would be the PERFECT fit next to Luka.

Bane is an experienced all around 2 guard with amazing off ball skills. He would be the PERFECT fit next to Luka.

Bey is a versatile all around wing. He would be the PERFECT fit next to Luka.

Ultimately, it's too early to sour on Green, but obviously it would be nice to have producing rookies. Factoring in that there's no guarantee that these three guys would play here under Carlisle and ultimately it's tough to say whether the Mavs made a mistake here.

Verdict: TBD

2021 Trade Deadline

Aaron Gordon- the Nuggets got Aaron Gordon in exchange for Gary Harris, RJ Hampton, and a protected 2025 pick. Gary Harris is a 26 year shooting guard earning approximately $20m this year and next. His best season was in 2017-18, but he has been a bit of an afterthought since the emergence of Jamal Murray.

Could the Mavs have gotten Gordon for THJ and some combination of Josh Green, Tyler Bey, and/or Tyrell Terry? I'm not sold on this being the case because I believe that the Magic see value in adding Harris (26) vs. THJ (29) and having him under contract for next year potentially selling him on Orlando as a long-term home. What about Jalen Brunson? Again not sold on Magic valuing Brunson when they have Cole Anthony and Markelle Fultz as primary ballhandlers.

Verdict: NOT A MISS

Evan Fournier- Magic traded Fournier for two-second-round picks & Jeff Teague. This is the easiest analysis of all, the Magic clearly valued the ability to get salary off their books and the Celtics were able to facilitate via a trade exception. Mavs couldn't have done anything about that.

Verdict: NOT A MISS

Nikola Vucevic- Bulls gave up two first round picks & Wendell Carter. 'Nuff said.

Verdict: NOT A MISS

Norman Powell- Raptors got Gary Trent Jr. and Rodney Hood in the deal. Could the Mavs have gotten Powell for some combination of Brunson, Green, Bey, and fillers? Doubtful. Gary Trent Jr. is a 22 year old two guard who was averaging 30 MPG for a playoff team.

Verdict: NOT A MISS

All in all, the biggest 'miss' for me is Christian Wood. He's a modern big/ rim-runner whose game would mesh very well with Luka's. Even if he was redundant he would have given us an extremely valuable asset.

SMC0007 · 03-29-2021, 12:27 PM

I think the draft actually should be graded a miss. Until proven otherwise. Proving otherwise definitely isn't happening this year unless we have a key injury where Rick HAS to play them.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-29-2021, 01:33 PM

+rep to tap2390

sefant77 · 03-29-2021, 02:26 PM

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I think the draft actually should be graded a miss. Until proven otherwise. Proving otherwise definitely isn't happening this year unless we have a key injury where Rick HAS to play them.

No, not with the huge age difference between Green and the mentioned guys

Bey:1.5y older
Bane: 2.5y
Quickley: 1.5y

They didnt draft Green because they thought he would contribute as a rookie.

Really sucks with Bane, pretty sure they take him at 31 but then Grizzlies jumped in and took him

sefant77 · 03-29-2021, 02:32 PM

Regarding Wood: i mean like almost the entire league was wrong about him.

Also the Pistons were high on Stewart, means they always like 16 much more than 18...so its not that easy

SMC0007 · 03-29-2021, 03:03 PM

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No, not with the huge age difference between Green and the mentioned guys

Bey:1.5y older
Bane: 2.5y
Quickley: 1.5y

They didnt draft Green because they thought he would contribute as a rookie.

Really sucks with Bane, pretty sure they take him at 31 but then Grizzlies jumped in and took him

Huge age difference eh? Anyway...

Why the hell would they not be drafting guys who could contribute ASAP when there were a few available? We were coming off a fairly successful playoff outing given the circumstances. It's not a debate that Luka is ready to contend, everyone else may not be, but by all means lets draft a guy who may crack the starting rotation in 3 years or so.

I'm sticking to a MISS until proven otherwise.

It does suck about Bane. It sucks that they thought he would make it to 31.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-29-2021, 03:09 PM

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Huge age difference eh? Anyway...

Why the hell would they not be drafting guys who could contribute ASAP when there were a few available? We were coming off a fairly successful playoff outing given the circumstances. It's not a debate that Luka is ready to contend, everyone else may not be, but by all means lets draft a guy who may crack the starting rotation in 3 years or so.

I'm sticking to a MISS until proven otherwise.

It does suck about Bane. It sucks that they thought he would make it to 31.

Even though I agree with the OP, I also think it's completely fair to say picking Green over Bey is a miss until proven otherwise. I don't watch college basketball and don't follow draft prospects at all, but even I had heard a lot of people say that Bey was great value for his position in the draft and would any team would be lucky to have him. I had not heard of Josh Green until the moment the Mavs drafted him.

EricaLubarsky · 03-29-2021, 03:14 PM

If you judge a draft pick by the rookie season Reggie Miller, Dirk Nowtizki, James Harden, Gary Payton, Kawhi Leonard, Kobe Bryant, and Steve Nash are all losers.

Not to say Bane isn't an absolute stud, just saying it's too early to say we failed the draft.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-29-2021, 03:28 PM

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If you judge a draft pick by the rookie season Reggie Miller, Dirk Nowtizki, James Harden, Gary Payton, Kawhi Leonard, Kobe Bryant, and Steve Nash are all losers.

Not to say Bane isn't an absolute stud, just saying it's too early to say we failed the draft.

True, it's too early to say Green is a miss. But I do think it's fair to say he's a miss until proven otherwise. Basically he's a miss until he isn't.

SMC0007 · 03-29-2021, 04:31 PM

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True, it's too early to say Green is a miss. But I do think it's fair to say he's a miss until proven otherwise. Basically he's a miss until he isn't.

Yea. I get the point EL makes. It's not fair to judge draft picks solely based on their rookie season, but when you have 2 guys who were ready to roll day 1 while you have no idea what you drafted then it becomes a miss imo. I factor in what we needed and what the others are doing.

That can change next season or down the line...hopefully, but for now we missed out on helping the team improve.

tap2390 · 03-29-2021, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Regarding Wood: i mean like almost the entire league was wrong about him.

Also the Pistons were high on Stewart, means they always like 16 much more than 18...so its not that easy

Wood was an unrestricted free agent. If we sold him on the Mavs and the Pistons wanted to ensure they got assets in return, they would have to play ball and take #18 in exchange.

Dallas41 · 03-29-2021, 05:15 PM

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Wood was an unrestricted free agent. If we sold him on the Mavs and the Pistons wanted to ensure they got assets in return, they would have to play ball and take #18 in exchange.

Yeah I'm kind of confused because that was what I recalled as well.

Him being a UFA this past off season

Dallas41 · 03-29-2021, 05:32 PM

Donnie expects Luka to be a huge attraction for FA's moving forward

https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/new...-donnie-nelson
Young superstar Luka Doncic is, in the eyes of Dallas Mavericks GM Donnie Nelson, about to be an NBA talent magnet.

"In terms of free agency,'' Donnie says, "who doesn’t want to play with a Jason Kidd? Who doesn’t want to play with a Steve Nash? ... To have (combination of) two of the greats who (played) right here in Dallas, it’s going to make our recruiting efforts a lot smoother.”

Nelson's suggestion that Luka, 22, is part Kidd and part Nash - two former Mavs who are now in the Hall of Fame - is inarguable. What needs to be proven, starting this summer, when NBA free-agency shopping begins and Dallas has both cap room and Luka as Chief Recruiter ...

Will what once were "pipe dreams'' suddenly become reality?

Long-time MFFLs always hoped that the iconic Dirk Nowitzki would draw other players to Dallas. That, however, never quite happened in terms of superstar signings. Dirk, by virtue of his personality, was never quite comfortable with the idea of being Chief Recruiter. And Donnie adds another reason why the Mavs' set-up is now different.

sefant77 · 03-29-2021, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Wood was an unrestricted free agent. If we sold him on the Mavs and the Pistons wanted to ensure they got assets in return, they would have to play ball and take #18 in exchange.

Even in that case, Rockets were also high on him and had the better pick

tap2390 · 03-29-2021, 05:48 PM

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Even in that case, Rockets were also high on him and had the better pick

Them having the better pick is irrelevant. We didn't have to convince the Pistons, we had to convince Christian Wood.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-29-2021, 05:49 PM

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Donnie expects Luka to be a huge attraction for FA's moving forward

https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/new...-donnie-nelson
Young superstar Luka Doncic is, in the eyes of Dallas Mavericks GM Donnie Nelson, about to be an NBA talent magnet.

"In terms of free agency,'' Donnie says, "who doesn’t want to play with a Jason Kidd? Who doesn’t want to play with a Steve Nash? ... To have (combination of) two of the greats who (played) right here in Dallas, it’s going to make our recruiting efforts a lot smoother.”

Nelson's suggestion that Luka, 22, is part Kidd and part Nash - two former Mavs who are now in the Hall of Fame - is inarguable. What needs to be proven, starting this summer, when NBA free-agency shopping begins and Dallas has both cap room and Luka as Chief Recruiter ...

Will what once were "pipe dreams'' suddenly become reality?

Long-time MFFLs always hoped that the iconic Dirk Nowitzki would draw other players to Dallas. That, however, never quite happened in terms of superstar signings. Dirk, by virtue of his personality, was never quite comfortable with the idea of being Chief Recruiter. And Donnie adds another reason why the Mavs' set-up is now different.

Luka's situation is a little different because he's so young, but yeah, I've long since stopped kidding myself about stars wanting to come to Dallas just because we have a superstar for them to play sidekick to.

EricaLubarsky · 03-29-2021, 05:49 PM

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Wood was an unrestricted free agent. If we sold him on the Mavs and the Pistons wanted to ensure they got assets in return, they would have to play ball and take #18 in exchange.

1) It's pretty hard to get a guy talked into choosing you and rejecting others. Good agents simply won't allow that and I'm not sure why a guy like Wood would go out and reject guaranteed money while spoiling his future with other teams just so he might have ended up with us. Would he say yes to the Mavs? Absolutely, but he would have also had to say no to the Rockets and potentially 3-4 other teams. For a guy trying to get his first deal after his rookie contract, he'd be stupid to go out and say that he wouldn't play for any team.

2) We couldn't talk to him without the Pistons' permission until FA season opened and once free agency opened, he was snapped up within an hour. We would have not only have had to do the impossible, but we'd also have had to do it fast.

3) I'm not sure he even was a high priority. I'm surprised so many fans here wanted him so bad. If you listen to Mavs fans, you'd think we had a shortage of starters at three different positions. I'm not sure why the Mavs would offer their entire cap to a guy that plays the position of our max player when we need a starting SG, SF, and PF that offseason.

mac222b · 03-29-2021, 06:01 PM

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Them having the better pick is irrelevant. We didn't have to convince the Pistons, we had to convince Christian Wood.

Exactly. And Stewart would’ve been there at 18. OKC taking Poku at 17 was the worst kept secret in the league.

mac222b · 03-29-2021, 06:10 PM

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1) It's pretty hard to get a guy talked into choosing you and rejecting others. Good agents simply won't allow that and I'm not sure why a guy like Wood would go out and reject guaranteed money while spoiling his future with other teams just so he might have ended up with us. Would he say yes to the Mavs? Absolutely, but he would have also had to say no to the Rockets and potentially 3-4 other teams. For a guy trying to get his first deal after his rookie contract, he'd be stupid to go out and say that he wouldn't play for any team.

2) We couldn't talk to him without the Pistons' permission until FA season opened and once free agency opened, he was snapped up within an hour. We would have not only have had to do the impossible, but we'd also have had to do it fast.

3) I'm not sure he even was a high priority. I'm surprised so many fans here wanted him so bad. If you listen to Mavs fans, you'd think we had a shortage of starters at three different positions. I'm not sure why the Mavs would offer their entire cap to a guy that plays the position of our max player when we need a starting SG, SF, and PF that offseason.

Are the Mavs the only non-“tampering” team? You don’t really believe that no discussions are had about players until literally the moment FA opens? Teams have openly tampered and not been punished for it. And Wood is a PF who can play Center. He is equal to Powell as a rim roller only longer and more athletic, a better defender and a guy that can space the floor as a 3 point shooter. He is also only making nominally more than Powell. He’s good enough to carry an offense on a night like Saturday when KP and Luka both sit. And also young and good enough to headline a deal for a player like Beal if you want to go that route. That’s what the fuss is about. I like Josh Green more than almost anyone else on this board I reckon and I would’ve done #18+ 10 times out 10 for Wood. Assuming of course that he would want to be here. But the clusterf**k in Houston was already happening when they signed him. If they couldn’t sell him and his agent on Dallas over that mess then that’s a problem.

SMC0007 · 03-29-2021, 07:40 PM

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1) It's pretty hard to get a guy talked into choosing you and rejecting others. Good agents simply won't allow that and I'm not sure why a guy like Wood would go out and reject guaranteed money while spoiling his future with other teams just so he might have ended up with us. Would he say yes to the Mavs? Absolutely, but he would have also had to say no to the Rockets and potentially 3-4 other teams. For a guy trying to get his first deal after his rookie contract, he'd be stupid to go out and say that he wouldn't play for any team.

2) We couldn't talk to him without the Pistons' permission until FA season opened and once free agency opened, he was snapped up within an hour. We would have not only have had to do the impossible, but we'd also have had to do it fast.

3) I'm not sure he even was a high priority. I'm surprised so many fans here wanted him so bad. If you listen to Mavs fans, you'd think we had a shortage of starters at three different positions. I'm not sure why the Mavs would offer their entire cap to a guy that plays the position of our max player when we need a starting SG, SF, and PF that offseason.

I'm not sure anyone here wanted him so bad. I was was on him way early and then maybe 2 or 3 others as well. I didn't read anyone on Twitter wanting him either.

Again, you get talent when you can over fit IMO, especially if you can buy in low early. If it doesn't fit, then flip them for what you think is a better fit. Now basically the same guy in Collins is going to cost max money if he would even want to come here. We pushed basically the same player down the road over a year and will potentially pay double.

MFFL · 03-29-2021, 08:29 PM

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Luka's situation is a little different because he's so young, but yeah, I've long since stopped kidding myself about stars wanting to come to Dallas just because we have a superstar for them to play sidekick to.

Yeah I think that's overrated too

How many stars went to Houston to play with Harden? But their GM was aggressive and found players to add to the team. Plus the organization was outstanding at developing young players to make them attractive to add to deals

I like Carlisle as a coach. BUT he has his style and that doesn't really involve playing youngsters. That was great when it was Dirk and we had the veteran guys who were capable of carrying their share of the load. But the veterans we have now are not the same caliber of Terry/Kidd/Marion/Chandler/Barea

There needs to be an organizational program to develop young players and Carlisle either has to buy in or be replaced. I really hate that it comes to that but we HAVE to have a continuous wave of young players to supplement the huge contracts of Porzingis and Luka (soon)

sefant77 · 03-29-2021, 08:48 PM

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Them having the better pick is irrelevant. We didn't have to convince the Pistons, we had to convince Christian Wood.

First, "just" to convince Wood to pick us over the Rockets. Rockets had a more sucessul past season with a MVP type player longterm under contract. They also didnt have someone like KP under contract with Wood maybe thinking "Yeah if our pairing doesnt work out im the one off the bench". So i totally see why Wood would pick Houston over us last offseason.

And yes, you had to convince the Pistons too, specially when they had the offer for #16 too. And they had some leverage against Wood too. Wood didnt want to sign with a trash team that had cap space, he wanted to play for a good team and for that a S&T was necessary. So all they had to tell him was "Hey, you want the S&T, so work with us...we prefer Houston...we can also just decline the S&T and let you sign with a shitty team"

So yeah...at the end, even IF we were after Wood i see how Wood likes Houston much more and the Pistons liked it of course also more.

Dallas41 · 03-29-2021, 09:06 PM

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First, "just" to convince Wood to pick us over the Rockets. Rockets had a more sucessul past season with a MVP type player longterm under contract. They also didnt have someone like KP under contract with Wood maybe thinking "Yeah if our pairing doesnt work out im the one off the bench". So i totally see why Wood would pick Houston over us last offseason.

And yes, you had to convince the Pistons too, specially when they had the offer for #16 too. And they had some leverage against Wood too. Wood didnt want to sign with a trash team that had cap space, he wanted to play for a good team and for that a S&T was necessary. So all they had to tell him was "Hey, you want the S&T, so work with us...we prefer Houston...we can also just decline the S&T and let you sign with a shitty team"

So yeah...at the end, even IF we were after Wood i see how Wood likes Houston much more and the Pistons liked it of course also more.

That's all speculative because I never read any reports where the Mavs even tried to get him

I mean to not even try would be something that concerns me about the scouting dept.

Seems like they put more resources into scouting Delon Wright of all players.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-30-2021, 12:27 AM

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Yeah I think that's overrated too

How many stars went to Houston to play with Harden? But their GM was aggressive and found players to add to the team. Plus the organization was outstanding at developing young players to make them attractive to add to deals

I like Carlisle as a coach. BUT he has his style and that doesn't really involve playing youngsters. That was great when it was Dirk and we had the veteran guys who were capable of carrying their share of the load. But the veterans we have now are not the same caliber of Terry/Kidd/Marion/Chandler/Barea

There needs to be an organizational program to develop young players and Carlisle either has to buy in or be replaced. I really hate that it comes to that but we HAVE to have a continuous wave of young players to supplement the huge contracts of Porzingis and Luka (soon)

I still think Carlisle is a great coach. Elite, even. However I also agree that he is not the ideal fit for a young team and is far better off coaching a team full of veterans. I'm withholding judgement on the current batch of rookies though, because he honestly just might be right about them not being ready. If we don't see something out of them next season though, either he's not the right coach for them, or they're just not any good, or both. And that's a scary possibility, because you're right, we have to have good young players coming in, or we're screwed.

tap2390 · 03-30-2021, 07:27 AM

After watching Josh Green play last night, I’m reminded once again that facilitating a trade with the Pistons, or getting a team to take salary off our books would have required giving up Green.

Ultimately, a lot will simply depend on how Green pans out. If he works on his ballhandling and shooting, his ceiling is a Jaylen Brown-type. Obviously it’s better to have Brown than Wood.

For now, I don’t think I’m comfortable stating that the Mavs front office has missed out on any opportunities. But to prove me right, Carlisle will need to give some more leeway to our rookies.

turin · 03-30-2021, 11:17 AM

Considering the state of the Mavs, I can see why they went after Reddick. Reddick provides the best bang for the buck opportunity imo. He's a solid veteran 3-pt shooter with lots of experience, and he came cheap.

The Mavs have still choked away way too many games this season, and there has been little improvement over last year's penchant for giving games away down the stretch. By signing Reddick, RC will have yet another vet on the floor in crunch time, and that means, hopefully, 1 less player choking or making a boneheaded mistake that costs them a game.

In a series, the Mavs prior to the Reddick trade were really fighting an uphill battle because between the inconsistencies of THJ and poor closings, the Mavs were more than likely going to give away at least 2 games in any series they played imo. Now, with Reddick, I think they have potentially cut that in half, so if Luka and/or KP have really solid games, they will have a better chance to close out with a win with Reddick on the floor with them. Yes, I understand that he's a defensive liability, but RC has always been an "outscore them" kind of coach imo. You can debate whether or not that's by design or necessity. It really doesn't matter. It is what it is.

In the short-term, while Reddick can potentially help the Mavs, it really does nothing for the long-term. Let's say the Mavs win a first round series this year. That will be fun, and then we'll be inundated with the exceeding expectations talk and how we are building towards the future. I'm not so sure I agree with that. Basically, Reddick hopefully puts a plug in the big "choke" hole that way too frequently for my tastes costs the Mavs wins, but he's an aging veteran who is not exactly a building block for a team with future championship aspirations. This still leaves us with rookies who get very little playing time and backup calibre players still starting, and the clock is ticking with regard to how much time the MBT has to successfully address the team's shortcomings,.

R28J · 03-30-2021, 11:44 AM

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After watching Josh Green play last night, I’m reminded once again that facilitating a trade with the Pistons, or getting a team to take salary off our books would have required giving up Green.

Ultimately, a lot will simply depend on how Green pans out. If he works on his ballhandling and shooting, his ceiling is a Jaylen Brown-type. Obviously it’s better to have Brown than Wood.

For now, I don’t think I’m comfortable stating that the Mavs front office has missed out on any opportunities. But to prove me right, Carlisle will need to give some more leeway to our rookies.

Hopefully the 4min in the 2nd QT last night continues. RC did have good things to saw about Green last night in the post game interview.

turin · 03-30-2021, 04:02 PM

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Hopefully the 4min in the 2nd QT last night continues. RC did have good things to saw about Green last night in the post game interview.

Is it just me, or do the Mavs appear to "correct" at times after the fanbase creates an uproar over what (to us) appear to be "obvious" issues - like getting younger players some playing time for evaluation and development?

SMC0007 · 03-30-2021, 06:10 PM

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Is it just me, or do the Mavs appear to "correct" at times after the fanbase creates an uproar over what (to us) appear to be "obvious" issues - like getting younger players some playing time for evaluation and development?

I can't bring myself to imagine Rick giving a flying F.

But I know Cubes looks at social media and responds. Maybe he checks forums too.

There have been a few "coincidences" that I have also noticed.

Dallas41 · 03-31-2021, 12:48 AM

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Considering the state of the Mavs, I can see why they went after Reddick. Reddick provides the best bang for the buck opportunity imo. He's a solid veteran 3-pt shooter with lots of experience, and he came cheap.

The Mavs have still choked away way too many games this season, and there has been little improvement over last year's penchant for giving games away down the stretch. By signing Reddick, RC will have yet another vet on the floor in crunch time, and that means, hopefully, 1 less player choking or making a boneheaded mistake that costs them a game.

In a series, the Mavs prior to the Reddick trade were really fighting an uphill battle because between the inconsistencies of THJ and poor closings, the Mavs were more than likely going to give away at least 2 games in any series they played imo. Now, with Reddick, I think they have potentially cut that in half, so if Luka and/or KP have really solid games, they will have a better chance to close out with a win with Reddick on the floor with them. Yes, I understand that he's a defensive liability, but RC has always been an "outscore them" kind of coach imo. You can debate whether or not that's by design or necessity. It really doesn't matter. It is what it is.

In the short-term, while Reddick can potentially help the Mavs, it really does nothing for the long-term. Let's say the Mavs win a first round series this year. That will be fun, and then we'll be inundated with the exceeding expectations talk and how we are building towards the future. I'm not so sure I agree with that. Basically, Reddick hopefully puts a plug in the big "choke" hole that way too frequently for my tastes costs the Mavs wins, but he's an aging veteran who is not exactly a building block for a team with future championship aspirations. This still leaves us with rookies who get very little playing time and backup calibre players still starting, and the clock is ticking with regard to how much time the MBT has to successfully address the team's shortcomings,.

If this team needs Redick to all of sudden be apart of the closing lineup than that speaks volumes as to what we've been actually working with the last two years.

TBH I think Melli might be a little more helpful because he could be a nice fit next to WCS off the bench at PF.

He doesn't seem like a chucker and is a willing passer which is a nice addition to have on the bench plus he has some size that I'm hoping will allow RC to stay away from playing all midgets together.

sig · 03-31-2021, 06:05 PM

I like the Mavs draft picks and taking the Spurs approach of letting them play a year or so on the farm to develop. Unfortunately this was a shortened G-League year. I doubt Bane, S. Bey, or anyone else on the board when the Mavs drafted would be getting minutes. Quickly has been really good though.

Dallas41 · 03-31-2021, 07:07 PM

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I like the Mavs draft picks and taking the Spurs approach of letting them play a year or so on the farm to develop. Unfortunately this was a shortened G-League year. I doubt Bane, S. Bey, or anyone else on the board when the Mavs drafted would be getting minutes. Quickly has been really good though.

I agree RC wouldn't have played those guys either

But then again what does that say about his approach?

SMC0007 · 03-31-2021, 07:15 PM

Didn't Brunson get consistent run in his first year? DSJ and Luka as well. It seems like it boils down to Rick didn't think Green or Bey were ready, especially since we got way less training camp. Theres a small chance that it could also be that he wasn't fully on board with the picks.

I think we would all feel much better if they were getting more minutes regardless if they were amazing or not. There has unquestionably been opportunities where they could have been played more....or played period. There is nothing like in game experience. Practice doesn't translate to game play.

Dallas41 · 03-31-2021, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by turin

The Mavs have still choked away way too many games this season, and there has been little improvement over last year's penchant for giving games away down the stretch. By signing Reddick, RC will have yet another vet on the floor in crunch time, and that means, hopefully, 1 less player choking or making a boneheaded mistake that costs them a game.

In a series, the Mavs prior to the Reddick trade were really fighting an uphill battle because between the inconsistencies of THJ and poor closings, the Mavs were more than likely going to give away at least 2 games in any series they played imo. Now, with Reddick, I think they have potentially cut that in half, so if Luka and/or KP have really solid games, they will have a better chance to close out with a win with Reddick on the floor with them. Yes, I understand that he's a defensive liability, but RC has always been an "outscore them" kind of coach imo. You can debate whether or not that's by design or necessity. It really doesn't matter. It is what it is.

In the short-term, while Reddick can potentially help the Mavs, it really does nothing for the long-term. Let's say the Mavs win a first round series this year. That will be fun, and then we'll be inundated with the exceeding expectations talk and how we are building towards the future. I'm not so sure I agree with that. Basically, Reddick hopefully puts a plug in the big "choke" hole that way too frequently for my tastes costs the Mavs wins, but he's an aging veteran who is not exactly a building block for a team with future championship aspirations. This still leaves us with rookies who get very little playing time and backup calibre players still starting, and the clock is ticking with regard to how much time the MBT has to successfully address the team's shortcomings,.

After watching this 4th qtr tonight

I've changed my mind on Redick (you were right)

This team might just need his experience for the last 5 minutes of games.

When you see crap like tonight's 4th qtr always rear their ugly head it maybe best to have a vet out there who won't do dumb stuff.

Someone who just maintains composure and understand time and possession matters in the 4th qtr's.

Seems like our guys don't value possessions sometimes late in games they make an terrible pass, dribble for 25 seconds or take a 3-pt shot without even swinging the ball from darn near half court.

Maybe Redick would provide a security blanket for some of these guys.

MFFL · 03-31-2021, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Didn't Brunson get consistent run in his first year? DSJ and Luka as well. It seems like it boils down to Rick didn't think Green or Bey were ready, especially since we got way less training camp. Theres a small chance that it could also be that he wasn't fully on board with the picks.

I think we would all feel much better if they were getting more minutes regardless if they were amazing or not. There has unquestionably been opportunities where they could have been played more....or played period. There is nothing like in game experience. Practice doesn't translate to game play.

So did Yogi and DSJ. Crowder averaged 17 minutes a game his first year too

Jack.Kerr · 04-01-2021, 10:38 AM

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Immanuel Quickley
The early steals of the draft. All three were available with the Mavs pick. We took Josh Green instead. If would be a bit revisionist to say that the Mavs should've taken Quickley or Bane at #18 when many of us would have considered that a reach with the other options on the board. There's no question that Green's upside and pedigree (#13 in his class, consensus 5-star recruit) is impressive.

Quickley is basically a longer, bigger, better defensively Seth Curry. He would be the PERFECT fit next to Luka.

I like the flashes of ability that Green shows on the rare occasions he gets the opportunity to play, so I'm not ready to write him off.

But in terms of a game-ready rookie who can contribute right-now-this-year, the failure to have scouted and selected Quickley is a categorical failure.

Quickley's herky-jerky style brings to mind 1993-94 vintage rookie Sam Cassell, and he has one of the most developed floater/tear-drop arsenals I've ever seen in a 1st-year player. His 3-game is developing along with his playmaking skills, and his defense is rich with targets for improvement, but he is able to come into a game and immediately put pressure on a defense with his ability to get into the paint for a floater, or to set up a big for a dunk. (If Dennis Smith had had HALF Quickley's ability in the floater-game, things would likely have turned out very differently for him AND the Mavs. As it is, Bullet is playing out the last few days of his NBA career on an NBA-bottom feeding team before being exported to "Chiner".)

Open question as to how Quickley would have done on the Mavericks this year, because assuming Head Guy would've put him in the game, he'd probably still have to pry the ball out of Luka's grasp. But Quickley has proven himself in New York this year, and under a demanding coach (Thibs) in his first year with the team, who is feeling pressure to produce. That's something.

rimrocker · 04-01-2021, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

After watching Josh Green play last night, I’m reminded once again that facilitating a trade with the Pistons, or getting a team to take salary off our books would have required giving up Green.

Ultimately, a lot will simply depend on how Green pans out. If he works on his ballhandling and shooting, his ceiling is a Jaylen Brown-type. Obviously it’s better to have Brown than Wood.

For now, I don’t think I’m comfortable stating that the Mavs front office has missed out on any opportunities. But to prove me right, Carlisle will need to give some more leeway to our rookies.

I’m not getting too excited about Green because I wasn’t crazy about the pick to begin with. However I don’t fault the Mavs off-season strategy of acquiring several defensive wing defenders to see if any of them stick. Unfortunately none of them have so far and we just dumped two of them.

Green, Hinton, and Bey’s lack of involvement this season has made them completely unplayable in the POs so now we are limited to DFS, JRich and Maxi as our only useable wing defenders going into the post season. I find that a little concerning for a team that has aspirations to get past the first round of the POs.

SMC0007 · 04-01-2021, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

I’m not getting too excited about Green because I wasn’t crazy about the pick to begin with. However I don’t fault the Mavs off-season strategy of acquiring several defensive wing defenders to see if any of them stick. Unfortunately none of them have so far and we just dumped two of them.

Green, Hinton, and Bey’s lack of involvement this season has made them completely unplayable in the POs so now we are limited to DFS, JRich and Maxi as our only useable wing defenders going into the post season. I find that a little concerning for a team that has aspirations to get past the first round of the POs.

Aren't most people faulting the Mavs because they drafted guys that never get to play? At least that's what I've seen. I'm not sure anyone faults them for trying with Jrich and Johnson.

You're right that now those 3 rooks are basically unplayable in POs.

Dallas41 · 04-02-2021, 12:02 AM

One team that the Mavs front office can take team building notes from is Denver.

Good lawd that team is nice after the trade deadline move. They had the young talent in Jokic and Murray already ready to compete and they made a boss move at the deadline.

turin · 04-02-2021, 07:38 AM

Denver is my dark horse to win it all this year. I really like their team and the way it's coached.

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