Terry for Francis

[BigD]

Would you do it?

[dalmations202]

nope

[spreedom]

No, no, no. And emphatically, no.

[dude1394]

Good god NO!! Franchise has rocks for brains. Ugh.

It MIGHT be funny to watch Avery's head explode however having to coach that idiot.

[V2M]

I'll do it if they send Howard along.

[aexchange]

Originally Posted by V2M

I'll do it if they send Howard along.

thats about the only way i would do it.

[DubOverdose]

Francis, like a few other players in the L, has all the talent in the world, but not brain power to put it to good use. No thanks. Francis would destroy all chemistry we have going, and rip out the heart of this team now. Terry has been a great fit personality wise and nearly perfect ability wise.

[spreedom]

Terry, Quis and Dampier for Francis, Howard and Cato, I would do.. make Francis inactive until we can give him away for expiring contracts, and then you're going to get Cato off the books at the end of the season, and Dwight Howard, who will be the best big man in the game by this time in two years.

[DubOverdose]

Originally Posted by spreedom

Terry, Quis and Dampier for Francis, Howard and Cato, I would do.. make Francis inactive until we can give him away for expiring contracts, and then you're going to get Cato off the books at the end of the season, and Dwight Howard, who will be the best big man in the game by this time in two years.

There's no way Orlando does that. We'd have to give up atleast Harris, Howard, and KVH I'm betting to get Dwight.

[Dirkenstien]

NO!

[Drbio]

Hell no.

[BigD]

05-06 Stats

Jason Terry:
Pts - 16.9
Reb - 1.7
Ast - 3.7

0 All Star appearances

Steve Francis:
Pts - 16.6
Reb - 4.4
Ast - 5.4

3 All Star appearances

[birdsanctuary]

I don't think I do the deal. JET's a big time shooter. With Devin picking up more assists each game, JET's only going to get better. I don't think Francis is a fit anymore given Devin's improvement this year...

[V2M]

Originally Posted by BigD

05-06 Stats

Jason Terry:
Pts - 16.9
Reb - 1.7
Ast - 3.7

0 All Star appearances

Steve Francis:
Pts - 16.6
Reb - 4.4
Ast - 5.4

3 All Star appearances

Jason Terry: 47.3% FG and 43.1% 3PT

Steve Francis: 44.1% FG and 23.9% 3PT

[snoop]

if francis came off the books next year yes, but since he dosn't no

[bernardos70]

Heck no. And Dwight is off limits, Dub, they wouldn't give up Dwight for anything buddy. Just thought your comment "We'd have to give up atleast Harris, Howard, and KVH I'm betting to get Dwight." was pretty funny, because I'm pretty sure that even with all that they wouldn't even consider giving up Dwight.

[madape]

In a second. Make that a nanosecond.

I know we're all homers here, but Franchise is so much better than Terry, it's not even funny.

I don't buy that business about "chemistry" being a problem, and never have. Before Dampier, we've never taken a problem child and not been able to turn him around. Sure, Francis has rocks for brains, but the dude can flat out ball. And I'm growing convinced that Avery is the type of coach who can turn shit into gold. Don't worry about Franchise causing problems here. It won't happen. He'd be an athletic superbadass point guard who handles the rock, runs the offense, and dispenses mad dimes to Dirk and Stackhouse.

Before last week, our biggest weakness was center. Now thankfully, we've moved past that. It's time to address our second biggest weakness. I like Terry, but come on... he's no point guard. Give the Mavs an all-NBA type like Steve Francis and the brass will spend the offseasons polishing their championship trophies... instead of praying that Devin Harris finally develops into something that looks like a legit starting NBA PG.

[spreedom]

Devin is already on pace and on the cusp of becoming a legit starting point guard in the NBA.. I'm not 100% convinced that the Mavs will re-sign Terry yet, because I don't think the Mavs can afford him.. but either way, Francis has made every team he's ever been on worse, and I don't feel that is a trend that will ever neccessarily end.

[EricaLubarsky]

[q]Terry for Francis[/q]
lol

[AxdemxO]

I like Francis although most think he is a cancer or whtever.
But no matter wht u think the guy is good and could get better in Dallas.
I would consider the trade but prolly wont do it because i think Terry fits better here.

[DubOverdose]

Originally Posted by BigD

05-06 Stats

Jason Terry:
Pts - 16.9
Reb - 1.7
Ast - 3.7

0 All Star appearances

Steve Francis:
Pts - 16.6
Reb - 4.4
Ast - 5.4

3 All Star appearances

How long have you watched the NBA? Haven't you noticed that its not all about All-Star appearances and statistics? Tony Parker has two rings on his hand, but no all-star gig or outstanding stats until this season.

[JetFutofMavs]

Originally Posted by DubOverdose

Francis, like a few other players in the L, has all the talent in the world, but not brain power to put it to good use. No thanks. Francis would destroy all chemistry we have going, and rip out the heart of this team now. Terry has been a great fit personality wise and nearly perfect ability wise.

Couldn't have said it better. Props.

[JetFutofMavs]

Originally Posted by madape

I know we're all homers here, but Franchise is so much better than Terry, it's not even funny.

Hmmm, then how do you explain this 'little' fact--->

"Jason Terry: 47.3% FG and 43.1% 3PT

Steve Francis: 44.1% FG and 23.9% 3PT"

Now that's funny.

[madape]

I'm just saying we could use a guy who's drops 20 point/6 rebound/6 assist seasons on a regular basis.

Terry's a great three point threat. So was Steve Kerr. And I think that, like Kerr, Terry can help a good team win a championsip. But as we all know, there is more to running point than hoisting up threes. The fact that Terry doesn't do what a point guard needs to do is probably the reason that the Mavericks are DEAD LAST in the NBA in assists. Francis could take our offense to the next level.

[mary]

If by "take our offense to the next level" you mean he could freeze out his teammates at the end of games and insist on playing one-on-one basketball....yeah I think he could do that.

If by "take our offense to the next level" you mean he could become a complete ballhog during crunch time and leave the German screaming for the ball...yeah I think he could do that too.

Or did you mean the next level "up"?

Francis is one of the most boneheaded players I've ever seen. He is the anti-Steve Nash.

[madape]

heh, yeah Terry is really great at opening up that offense.

I'll say it again: The Mavericks are DEAD LAST in assists.

One interesting stat note is that Francis posts one of the better assist to field goal ratios among NBA point guards.

This year, Francis is shooting about 2.4 shots for every dime, which is actually slightly worse than his career average. Terry is at around 3.6 shots per assist. Not very good.

Is 3.7 assists a game acceptable from a starting point guard, by the way? Just wondering.

[mary]

Is 3.7 assists a game acceptable from a starting point guard, by the way? Just wondering

Billups averaged 3.9 the year they won the title. Acceptable? Just wondering.

I'm pretty happy with our PG situation right now. Jet ISN'T a playmaker obviously, but I think Devin Harris will eventually fill that role pretty nicely.

ETA: And as long as we're unhappy with Terry's AST #'s (and yes, they're low), lets not forget to mention that Terry has played approximately 35% of his minutes as a SHOOTING guard, according to 82games.com.

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by madape

I'm just saying we could use a guy who's drops 20 point/6 rebound/6 assist seasons on a regular basis.

Keep operating on that theory, and we will all be damned to a lifetime of 03/04 season reruns..

[G-Man]

Originally Posted by mary

If by "take our offense to the next level" you mean he could freeze out his teammates at the end of games and insist on playing one-on-one basketball....yeah I think he could do that.

If by "take our offense to the next level" you mean he could become a complete ballhog during crunch time and leave the German screaming for the ball...yeah I think he could do that too.

Or did you mean the next level "up"?

Francis is one of the most boneheaded players I've ever seen. He is the anti-Steve Nash.

Mary, this post was so awesome it should have ended the argument. But since the Ape goes on, so shall I.

DO you want assists, or wins? How many of the teams with more assists would trade places with the Mavs? Simple math says 28.
Who do you want with the ball at the end of the games? If you want pure point guard, we've got Harris, who may be more of a threat than Francis, because he might actually pass to Dirk. Or, if you want someone to dribble out the clock and hoist a 3, we already have Terry. Who is also more likely to pass than Francis.

You say you don't respect chemistry, and thats your right. But the only team to win without it recently has Shaq and Kobe, and eventually even that talent got beat by Detroit, with no player close in talent to the 2 Laker stars.

If we can get a great player who is also a great person, like Pierce, ok, make a trade. But it has to be a major talent upgrade. Otherwise the disruption cost outweighs the benefit. The best thing for this team is to just play together the rest of the season. 44 more games praticing the defensive rotations is worth 100 times more that the talent upgraade from swapping Terry for Francis.

I say Francis for Artest -call it the headcase trade. We don't need either one of em.

[dude1394]

Gosh I'm watching Stevie Franchise play tonight and dang he's a basketball idiot. So he plays the two man game.. Posts, re-posts..the big man throws it out and instead of taking the wide open 3, the idiot dribbles right to the defense, dribbles between his legs a few times and throws up a brick.

Good grief, I think AJ's head WOULD blow up. Mine too.

[EricaLubarsky]

but how about Hedo and Howard? Those two are playing really well.

edit: Howard gets the CLUTCH rebound-tip to himself, Hedo is playing out of his mind. Suns are going to lose this one. Is there anything better that isnt a Mavs game?

[Thespiralgoeson]

Ape, nobody's denying that Francis is more talented than Terry. Really, it's not even close. But Francis is a headcase. I want no part of him, just like I want no part of Artest.

[sike]

Francis is one of the lower basketball IQs in the league....

do I want him here...no.

[nashtymavsfan13]

Why mess up what we already have? We have the best record in the West, and a great shot at the title. We don't need Francis and the troubles he'd bring.

[atrewsfan]

Francis is more of a shooting guard anyway with his mentality and penchant for shooting whenever he feels like it. ORL is better defensively and offensively when Francis is at SG and Jameer Nelson at PG. Check out the +/-'s of the various unit configurations ORL has put out this year:

www.82games.com/0506/05ORL4B.HTM

Francis also ranks #3 in the NBA in turnovers per game (3.4) and 4th in turnovers per 48 minutes (4.3). He's the worst combination you can get in a PG: a ballhog AND a mediocre ballhandler. By comparison, Terry is averaging a solid 1.76 turnovers per game.

[jayC]

41-11 the best record in the West. Francis is a great talent, but it isn't enough of an upgrade to mess with success.

[thunderFence]

I'd rather have Aids

[nashtymavsfan13]

Originally Posted by thunderFence

I'd rather have Aids

lol

There is no way I do this. The team chemistry is great now, and Francis isn't a good enough teammate and isn't a good enough mentor for Devin Harris.

[dude1394]

Oh god no. We already have some issues with basketball IQ. This would make our basketball IQ lower than Vince Youngs wonderlic score.

Franchise is dumber than a rock.

[Knickfan]

This thread is funny!!! It's funny because I can actually see madape's point BUT I wouldn't do it. It's like an argument I had with a friend the other day, he said if you're the Colts would you trade Harrison for Owens? Granted Francis isn't as selfish as Owens BUT clearly from an individual talent level Francis is better individually but when the time comes for a player to put team first and KNOWING that NEITHER is better than Dirk, Terry can accept that and step in line Francis refuses to understand that he may not be the best player on a team!