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BPo001 · 04-25-2018, 08:43 PM

Why did the Pacers just run a pick n roll allowing Lebron to switch to be the on ball defender? Olidipio thinks he has a layup and Lebron takes it to the backboard for the block. Just dumb.

Edit: And he hits the game winner at the buzzer.

tap2390 · 04-25-2018, 10:18 PM

MJ, Lebron, and Wilt and the three greatest to ever do it.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-25-2018, 11:11 PM

I don't think I've ever wished physical harm on a player, but I'd be ok if Harden accidentally fell into well somewhere. Just on accident though.

Bryan_Wilson · 04-26-2018, 12:41 AM

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I don't think I've ever wished physical harm on a player, but I'd be ok if Harden accidentally fell into well somewhere. Just on accident though.

I won't wish he tears an acl or anything but I damn sure wish someone got their money's worth on those flopping fouls of his. We know he's gonna do it, I'd sure love it if someone showed their distaste for his antics by committing a nice hard playoff foul. I mean it's sure fun for him shooting 10-12 free throws a game and taking almost no contact at all. How much fun would it be when he's actually sore handing out those bills at the strip club from some real fouls?

But no, everyone in the NBA is friends now. And they all hug it out and hold hands after wins and losses alike. -vomit-

Harpospoke · 04-26-2018, 01:21 AM

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Why are you comparing a rebuilding team to a team in its prime?

Rockets are as good as they've been-- maybe ever. At least the best regular season team we've seen from them.

Mavs are in year one of what is hopefully only a 2-3 year rebuild. Not even worth comparing. With the right moves and a good pick I could see us anywhere from later lottery to 5-8 seed, but definitely not looking to make it even out of the first round

Well sure. But the Mavs seem so far away now. Things really have to fall right for them starting with that stupid ping pong ball. (yeah right...as if the Mavs would get lucky...they aren't the Spurs)

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Westbrook is a lot of fun to watch, and I think he deserved the MVP award last season, but he's either the worst great player ever or the greatest bad player ever.

He reminds me of Barkley. Great talent but not so smart.

I feel the same way about his MVP as I did when Barkley won it. As if they were more valuable than Lebron and MJ respectively.

But if the triple double thing meant he deserved it last year then he should win it again this year. He did it again. But I guess the writers are bored with it this year. (exposing the fraud in the voting) This year it's about who is "due" (Harden).

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I'd be borderline shocked if he went to Houston. They would have to gut their team and lose some key role players who are spot up shooters and defenders for yet another ball handler. And I'm still not convinced he leaves the East, he's had a red carpet to the finals for a decade in the East, why in the world would he want to go to the brutal gauntlet that is the West? The only west team I can see him entertaining is LA, simply because if he succeeds at bringing LA back from the dead he's immortalized even further.

I would ask the opposite question. Why would Lebron want to stay with an inferior team just to lose in the Finals? That doesn't make any sense.

And frankly, I scoff at the idea that the West is a "brutal gauntlet". The Warriors have barely broken a sweat on their way to the Finals the past few years. The OKC series was the only time they had to work hard. The Cavs swept teams on the way to the Finals an "the East is weak"...the Warriors do the same thing and "the West is tough".

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Yeah, I don't think a mid-30s LeBron is even gonna make a dent in the all-time list of players who donned a Lakers uniform (Kareem, Magic, Kobe, Shaq, West, all in their primes), especially if he's battling GSW and HOU to even make a Finals appearance... Or he can join Houston, but given the MVP votes over the past couple years you could make a pretty strong argument that he'd be 1B to Harden's 1A... Dude needs to stay in the East or else his legacy is pretty much wrapped up.

Agree about the Lakers. Crazy legacy there.

But there is no way anyone would consider Lebron 1B on any team. I mean...just compare Harden and Lebron in this playoffs. It's not really close.

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Wade eliminated is always a good day.

Darn right! I like that he's keeping up his record of going out in the 1st round without Shaq or Lebron.

Bryan_Wilson · 04-26-2018, 08:08 AM

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And frankly, I scoff at the idea that the West is a "brutal gauntlet". The Warriors have barely broken a sweat on their way to the Finals the past few years. The OKC series was the only time they had to work hard. The Cavs swept teams on the way to the Finals an "the East is weak"...the Warriors do the same thing and "the West is tough".

The West has won the h2h matchups 18 of the last 19 years. And honestly it's only getting worse because literally all the talent in the NBA keeps coming to the West while teams in the East basically are on standby till Lebron stops playing or whatever it is they are doing.

So because the Warriors have 2 mvp candidates and 2 of the maybe 3-5 best players on the planet and 2 other players who at worst are all stars and at best are all nba or very near all nba players and therefore don't have a lot of competition that means the conference is overrated?

The talent of the West outweighs the East by so much it's a joke. Just name the top 5 players in the East vs the West. Hell just look at the All NBA team's recently...

http://official.nba.com/wp-content/u...Team-Votes.pdf

4 of the 5 on the first team are in the West, the other is Lebron. So if he came to the West then what? Seriously...

4 of the 5 on the 2nd team are in the West. One of them is IT so you could just leave him off entirely since his injury killed him. Still though only 1 player in the East makes the 2nd team.

3 of the 5 on the 3rd team are in the West. Jimmy butler is in the West now.... So that brings the total to 4 of the 15 all nba players being in the East and the best one people think is going to come to the West? The next 5 highest votes were all West btw(KAT, CP3, Gasol, Cousins, PG13) and of the 14 others who received votes only 5 of 14 were in the East.

So according to last years all nba team's the East has 4 of the top 15 players and 9 of the top 29 players one of them being Lebron who should apparently see the West as "no sweat"?

Bryan_Wilson · 04-28-2018, 12:13 AM

Glad Okc lost. If that was Harden shooting that shot at the end though and not PG13 100% they call a foul. Good riddance though, RWB is so hard to watch. 43 FGA? PG13 5 points in an elimination game? Melo... looks beyond done. God what ugly basketball that was.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-28-2018, 07:52 AM

Man did scouts take a dump when considering D. Mitchell. Amazing that the team really is just him and Gobert.

j0Shi · 04-28-2018, 08:23 AM

Boy I'm happy with DSJ, but Donovan effing Mitchell...

Also lol at the Thunder. Westbrook scoring 150 in 250 shots is exactly why this team can't get anywhere.

Bryan_Wilson · 04-28-2018, 02:20 PM

Mitchell looks like that guy who was overlooked for sure from this last draft. Maybe Bridges is that guy in this next one.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-28-2018, 02:31 PM

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Mitchell looks like that guy who was overlooked for sure from this last draft. Maybe Bridges is that guy in this next one.

Bridges and Bamba are my two, but someone else will come up. Maybe Young?

Bryan_Wilson · 04-28-2018, 03:10 PM

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Bridges and Bamba are my two, but someone else will come up. Maybe Young?

Has anyone shot up the boards more than Brunson now that I think about it? Wasn't he a mid 2nd earlier this year? Now he's in spitting distance of the tail end of tho lotto. Mitchell was a meteoric rise after the combine and workouts. I guess we will see the name that comes up around then.

Underdog · 04-28-2018, 02:53 PM

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Mitchell looks like that guy who was overlooked for sure from this last draft. Maybe Bridges is that guy in this next one.

Bridges is already ranked high enough not to be "overlooked"... I'd say guys like Shake Milton, Mitchell Robinson, and Keita Bates-Diop are most likely to far-outperform their rank.

Bryan_Wilson · 04-28-2018, 03:08 PM

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Bridges is already ranked high enough not to be "overlooked"... I'd say guys like Shake Milton, Mitchell Robinson, and Keita Bates-Diop are most likely to far-outperform their rank.

True. There is still plenty of time though. What if guys like Smith and Williams or others shoot up the draft boards from combines. If Bridges falls from the current 7-9 area to yhe 9-12 area then that would be the same range as Mitchell.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-28-2018, 11:21 PM

Poor Pelicans...

EricaLubarsky · 04-29-2018, 10:29 AM

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Poor Pelicans...

And here comes Steph

Underdog · 04-29-2018, 01:16 PM

OKC made their bed, now they have to sleep in it.

BPo001 · 04-29-2018, 02:01 PM

C'mon, Pacers!

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-29-2018, 02:19 PM

Always thought Nate Mcmillan was underrated as a coach. He has earned his keep in this series win or lose.

j0Shi · 04-29-2018, 02:49 PM

That Cavs team reminds me a bit of our '11 Mavs. It's one superstar in his prime and a bunch of role players. The only difference is that the Cavs won't win the title.

sefant77 · 04-29-2018, 03:06 PM

Winning the lottery and picking Ayton. Jerry offering Lebron a small stake in the Cowboys. Lebron signing with the Mavs.

DSJ/Wes/Barnes/James/Ayton

Dirk/Barea/Curry/Powell off the bench

hayth.james.g · 04-29-2018, 03:20 PM

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Winning the lottery and picking Ayton. Jerry offering Lebron a small stake in the Cowboys. Lebron signing with the Mavs.

DSJ/Wes/Barnes/James/Ayton

Dirk/Barea/Curry/Powell off the bench

Lol! Sounds legit.

If we land #1, I would love to see what the trade down options look like. As long as we maintain a top 5 pick, I'm in. After that I'm less comfortable with the talent fall off.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-29-2018, 04:38 PM

As good as he is, Mitchell still can't shoot. He can score and make jump shots erratically, but he doesn't have a good shot.

EricaLubarsky · 04-29-2018, 08:51 PM

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As good as he is, Mitchell still can't shoot. He can score and make jump shots erratically, but he doesn't have a good shot.

If he can add a mid/long game to his repertoire, they are going to be scary good. If he can't, they will stay mediocre

tap2390 · 04-29-2018, 09:56 PM

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If he can add a mid/long game to his repertoire, they are going to be scary good. If he can't, they will stay mediocre

Not necessarily. Wade has shot 28.7% from three for his career. He made his living driving the ball (and of course drawing fouls). Mitchell doesn't need to be an elite shooter for the Jazz to build around him in a way that makes them a perennial contender.

Bryan_Wilson · 04-30-2018, 05:58 AM

Mitchell is alrdy pretty efficient for a rookie. At least according to TS%. He's ahead of wade's rookie season and a year younger. He seems like a guy who will improve his 3 also, seeing as he take so many of them. Wade for his career was below 2 attempts a game. Mitchell shot 7 a game this year. He shot 210 more 3p's than DSJ did. But I agree with EL, the game has changed to where if he doesn't improve his jump shot they won't do much more than be a 4-5 seed. Maybe if they had an all star stretch 4 it wouldn't matter though. I like Favors but imo it's not a perfect fit next to Gobert.

EricaLubarsky · 04-30-2018, 10:12 AM

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Not necessarily. Wade has shot 28.7% from three for his career. He made his living driving the ball (and of course drawing fouls). Mitchell doesn't need to be an elite shooter for the Jazz to build around him in a way that makes them a perennial contender.

Wade had refs. God help us if Mitchell gets refs

spreedom · 04-30-2018, 12:34 PM

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If he can add a mid/long game to his repertoire, they are going to be scary good. If he can't, they will stay mediocre

I wouldn't call the Jazz mediocre. I think they're just scratching the surface... I think they could have pushed for 60 wins this year if Gobert hadn't missed so much time. Mitchell definitely needs to improve as a three-point shooter, but I expect he and Gobert to be among the elite duos in the league for the next decade.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-30-2018, 09:29 PM

I remember liking Rozier when he was drafted. Just goes to show that many of these young guys can shine if just given the minutes.

Scoobay · 04-30-2018, 11:22 PM

Fultz a healthy DNP? man what would the sixers look like with Tatum or DSJ or Mitchell?

Bryan_Wilson · 04-30-2018, 11:38 PM

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Fultz a healthy DNP? man what would the sixers look like with Tatum or DSJ or Mitchell?

Underdog · 05-01-2018, 06:11 AM

Ayton, Doncic, Bagley, Jackson, Bamba -- one of these guys is going to be the next Fultz... I didn't include MPJ because he's already a known risk, but at least one of the guys I just mentioned is going to be a flat-out bust. That's just how it works.

Had had DSJ ranked over Fultz leading up to the draft, glad things turned out the way they did!

tap2390 · 05-01-2018, 07:06 AM

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Ayton, Doncic, Bagley, Jackson, Bamba -- one of these guys is going to be the next Fultz... I didn't include MPJ because he's already a known risk, but at least one of the guys I just mentioned is going to be a flat-out bust. That's just how it works.

Had had DSJ ranked over Fultz leading up to the draft, glad things turned out the way they did!

Man I definitely did not. Like most, Fultz was my #1 player. I’m sure we would’ve taken him at 1 had we had that pick. The writing was on the wall with the Celtics trading down to 3 though. They have been excellent at both asset management and drafting. If they didn’t want him it should’ve been a red flag. Major props to Danny Ainge who in my eyes is the best GM in the game.

MavzMan · 05-01-2018, 08:39 AM

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Major props to Danny Ainge who in my eyes is the best GM in the game.

Much as I dislike Ainge, he is killing it as a GM for sure. Also have to give serious props to Brad Stevens. His coaching ability to draw high quality play from his entire team is amazing. He's lost his 2 franchise players and still is winning in the playoffs. It sucks because I really don't want to be a Celtics fan but they are making it hard right now.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-01-2018, 09:32 AM

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Ayton, Doncic, Bagley, Jackson, Bamba -- one of these guys is going to be the next Fultz... I didn't include MPJ because he's already a known risk, but at least one of the guys I just mentioned is going to be a flat-out bust. That's just how it works.

Had had DSJ ranked over Fultz leading up to the draft, glad things turned out the way they did!

Look at this interview when he is asked about his mystery injury. He completely avoids the question....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eLXObuP00E

The kid is shell shocked, but I think a large part of it has to do with how good the sixers are and the expectations of being the number 1 pick. He has plenty of time to get it together. Whether he has the BBIQ or not is yet to be determined.

MavzMan · 05-01-2018, 01:33 PM

"Melo only cares about jab step long twos." ROFLMAO !

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-01-2018, 09:11 PM

I really don't think the league will stay healthy if they keep on with the star treatment. Lebron clearly deserved a technical foul dribbling the ball like a madman.

sefant77 · 05-01-2018, 09:40 PM

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I really don't think the league will stay healthy if they keep on with the star treatment. Lebron clearly deserved a technical foul dribbling the ball like a madman.

Because the fans love the stars and their crap. Just look at the ratings, even for the borderline retarded allstar game.

Dont blame the league, blame all the people who keep on watching this crap and paying for this crap.

MavzMan · 05-02-2018, 08:24 AM

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I really don't think the league will stay healthy if they keep on with the star treatment. Lebron clearly deserved a technical foul dribbling the ball like a madman.

While the Raptors star player DeRozan gets completely clocked in the jaw with a flying elbow ... common foul. It would have been an ejection if that had been Lebron.

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lol Raptors. Another year. Same result.

The Raptors really look like this too. At some point, their main guy has to step up and lead the team just like Dirk has done. DeRozan was missing shots and passing the ball at the end of the game last night, playing like he was scared. The only guy truly fighting was Valanciunas but he couldn't get the ball to go down despite repeated offensive rebounds and putbacks.

I was predicting a Raptors / Sixers ECF, but looks like both teams have mental hurdles to overcome. The chances of the Cavs reaching the Finals are really high yet again even with a new team halfway through the season and an offense that consists of Lebron.

Bryan_Wilson · 05-02-2018, 09:41 AM

Derozan had like 3 points or something ridiculous in the 2nd half. Constantly chokes in the playoffs. What a joke.