Rasheed Wallace

[Nash13]

Dirkenstein, we'd save somewhere in the ball park of 31 million. Our roster is at 74 million. That would knock us down to 44 million. now that maybe be the salary cap next year, but we are well below the threshold.

I think Walker would actually come back for a lesser contract if he's not traded, plus we could pay Nash what he wants and get a role player or two. I think Foyle and Dale Davis are free agents this summer, so it seems like a good deal. I never thought of it that way.

EDIT-- Plus Nash, that would put us under the cap.

[Dirkenstien]

Originally posted by: grndmstr_c
Finley will make 14.6, Dirk will make 12.6, Fortson will make 5.9, Shawn will make 4, Eddie will make 3.8, Delk 3.1, Howard .8.

If Walker opted out and we trade Tariq and Jamison for Rasheed that would leave us with roughly 45 million in payroll before even considering Nash, Marquis and Jon. I don't think that leaves us any cap room.

Do you know what the cap is? and how much more will Nash be asking for compared to what he has now

[Nash13]

the cap is probably going to be 44 million this summer, but i'll check to see anyway.


EDIT-- Realgm.com says the cap for this year is $43,840,000, and it increases every year. So it might be higher than last year.

[grndmstr_c]

I'm guessing the cap will be around that amount, but I'm not an expert on it so don't quote me. I'd expect Nash to sign for somewhere in the 9-10 million range based on salaries around the league. Of course, we can go over the cap to sign him, so whether or not we have cap room is unimportant in that respect.

[madape]

This team will NEVER be under the cap as long as Cuban is here.

We can sign role-players for our exceptions. We'll have both the big one and the small one next year.

[Cybertx]

[Cybertx]

we don't need walker and if we ship AJ we would end up under the cap which would be great to get a good center even if we don't sign wallace again we still have very good roster.
Nash , Finley ,Howard , Dirk and we could try to get Foyley or somebody else and we still have bradley , fortson , najera, daniels and delk and we could try to get a good PG too.

[grndmstr_c]

Tx, you shoulda listened to Ape. Getting under the cap is a pipe dream. It ain't gonna happen. We'd have to dump AJ and Tariq for Wallace, hope that Walker opted out, and trade Finley for an expiring contract. Now, if we did that, we'd be under the cap enough to go after a marquee FA, but, we aren't going to to that (and AW probably won't do that, either).

[Cybertx]

yeah finley contract is surreal for his age

[Dirkenstien]

unless finley happened to be shipped out as well that is

[Flip3]

The mavs really should look into this trade for wallace. His is a free agent after this season, so if he works out that would be great and if he doesn't then do not resign him this summer and use the money from his contract on someone like Kenyon Martin who can play some defense. What do you guys think?

[grndmstr_c]

Flip, we can't use the money on someone else. We're over the cap.

[Flip3]

Is Walker in the last year of his contract?

[Flip3]

Since when has Cuban really cared about the CAP

[grndmstr_c]

Walker could opt out (even that wouldn't be enough to get us under the cap), but I'm telling you, it's pointless. This team will not be a major player in free agency (except through sign and trade deals) any time soon.

[grndmstr_c]

Cuban's willingness to spend isn't the issue. If you're over the cap you can only spend exceptions in free agency. We'll be over the cap, so if we traded for Sheed it wouldn't matter if we let him go at the end of the season. We'd still have the exact same amount of money to spend on free agents.

[Flip3]

Well Damn, This season and the next and the next might just be hopeless especially if these mavs do not learn how to play basic defense.

[Nash13]

For the record, If Dallas traded Jamison and if Walker opts out, Dallas technically would be under the cap, but not by a significant amount to sign anybody.

Some unlikely but classy is if Walker opted out and signed for less, so Dallas can sign Nash before being over the tax threshold.

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: Nash13
For the record, If Dallas traded Jamison and if Walker opts out, Dallas technically would be under the cap, but not by a significant amount to sign anybody.

Some unlikely but classy is if Walker opted out and signed for less, so Dallas can sign Nash before being over the tax threshold.

Walker would gain plenty of respect from many mavs fans(I hope) if he did this. I think it's a No-Brainer for him. He's on a Team that has Legitimate Title aspirations and I believe the fact that he is surrounded by Allstars like Dirk, Nash, and Fin will factor in this "classy" move.

[V]

How about some more votes guys?

POLL: 46 replies; 45% of you think Sheed is the Answer

[madape]

If do this trade:

Tariq Abdul-Wahad
Danny Fortson
Eduardo Najera

for

SF Rasheed Wallace

[madape]

[uberfan]

Originally posted by: Flip3
Since when has Cuban really cared about the CAP

Walker has a player option, but not an expiring contract.

The cap is important because it limits you on FA to only those who will sign one of the two exceptions. It does not necessarily prevent you from signing your own FAs.

[Cybertx]

Originally posted by: madape
If do this trade:

Tariq Abdul-Wahad
Danny Fortson
Eduardo Najera

for

SF Rasheed Wallace

Yeah and sudenly were are getting an star player for bench players what have you been drinking man.

[Cybertx]

Originally posted by: MightyToine

Walker would gain plenty of respect from many mavs fans(I hope) if he did this. I think it's a No-Brainer for him. He's on a Team that has Legitimate Title aspirations and I believe the fact that he is surrounded by Allstars like Dirk, Nash, and Fin will factor in this "classy" move.

Oh he will opt out but he will not sign for less he will try to get the max or close to it, think about itthis season has benn perfect for walker he has been the most consistent player of the mavs he's getting a reputation for being smarter with the ball(shooting less, passing more,etc) and everybody is watching how a SF can be a point forward, think about it if you were a coach and you need a SF what better than walker, you get a really good SF and somebody who can create not only finish.

I don't the question is if he will max or not i think all depends how we finish this season, if we end bad then probably we will be seeing a new coach and it will be his decision to kept walker if he wants walker cuban will give him a big contract if he don't cuban would let him walk.

If you were walker what would you do(remeber that he only has 2 or 3 more years in the SF pos.)?

[V]

Talks heat up... Sweetheart deal proposed?

From Oregonian -

The trade talks involving the Trail Blazers are no longer speculation. Owner Paul Allen on Thursday acknowledged rumors that the team is considering a trade are true and current, as evidenced by his 30-minute meeting with team president Steve Patterson and general manager John Nash during the third quarter of the Blazers' 105-96 loss to the Phoenix Suns at the Rose Garden.

After the game, Allen said he is contemplating whether he should pull the trigger on a proposed trade.

"Trade. Not to trade. I don't know," Allen said before walking out of the arena.

Patterson was equally elusive, saying, "We talked about all kinds of things . . . but I'm not going to talk about it."

No member of Blazers management would confirm the proposed trade, but sources in Dallas say that the deal involves Rasheed Wallace going to the Mavericks for forward Antawn Jamison and injured guard/forward Tariq Abdul-Wahad.

If the deal were to include Abdul-Wahad, it would seem to meet Mavericks owner Mark Cuban's criterion that a trade with Portland be a "sweetheart of a deal," because Abdul-Wahad is damaged goods. The 6-foot-6 Wahad is to make $28 million in the next four seasons, but he has not played this season because of a left knee injury that caused him to miss 67 games last season.

Another rumored trade has Wallace going to the Mavericks for Jamison, Tony Delk and Eduardo Najera.

Dallas coach and general manager Don Nelson told the Fort Worth (Texas) Star-Telegram late Thursday that he had not heard of a trade for Wallace being finalized.

[MavKikiNYC]

I'm going to be sick if this goes through--especially if they lose Jamison for Wallace. I'd have even to think long and hard about Walker for Wallace. But I just don't know how interested I'll remain in the Mavericks if they pull in two players of Wallace and Walker's ilk.

Yuck. Yuck with an 'f'.

[madape]

Arrggh.. That trade IS a sweetheart. I have serious doubts about Wallace's character, and how he'd effect this team's chemistry, but I think we'd be a little nuts not to accept that offer. I've come around! Pull the trigger!

[MavKikiNYC]

Why isn't Portland interested in Walker?

[madape]

The Blazers just released Slavko Vranes, leaving them one more space on the active roster to take back a player in trade.

Whatever trade they are looking to do, it's going to happen soon. IMO

[dirno2000]

Maybe Dallas isn't interested in shipping off Walker. It's clear who Nellie's favorite is.

Could also be that Cuban is becomeing more luxury tax concious and wants the shorter deal since Walker will have to take a pay cut when his contract expires next year.

I don't think the Wallace deal solves our problems. By the same token, I don't see how Cuban the business man turns down an opportunity to get TAW off of his cap.

[madape]

Sam (Dallas): Chad, Why are the rumors around the Mavs centered on Jamison? It seems to me that Walker, in the last year of his contract would be more of a commodity and Jamison fits better with Dallas' up-tempo style anyway.

Chad Ford: I disagree. With the exception of Nowitzki, I think Walker's been their best player this season and a great fit. To me Finley or Jamison are the expendable ones.

[MavKikiNYC]

I wonder if putting Wallace around the Mavericks' necks eliminates the talk of bringing in Sabonis, given Wallace's history of (racially motivated?) semi-violent outbursts against him.

I wonder how he'll adjust to being second or third banana to a player like Dirk. Maybe he'll just slap Steve Nash upside the head when he gets beaten off the drive. Maybe he'll strangle Don Nelson when Nellie yells at him for being out of position. OTOH, maybe he and Nash will become bong buds, or maybe he and Nellie can get drunk together, or maybe he and Dirk can go shopping for ear-nuggets together. Maybe he and Cuban can take Steve Javie or Mark Wunderlich out underneath the stands after a bad call results in Wallace's ejection and a Mavs' loss followed by total team implosion.

So many interesting possibilities.

[kg_veteran]

I agree with ape. Everything points to something happening very soon. Wallace sat out of last night's game as well. If Jamison sits out tonight in Denver, you know something is up.

And honestly, although I'm opposed to bringing in Wallace, if we're going to do it we need to do it soon so that the team has as much time as possible to integrate him.

One thought on that, though. Aside from all of the 'personality' issues he will bring, how are they going to distribute shots with Wallace in town? I think he'll want to shoot even more than Jamison did.

About the biggest positive I can see with a Wallace acquisition is that you'll have a set starting lineup and a set bench.

[Chicago JK]

http://oregonlive.com/blazers/oregon...7997122040.xml

From Portland Paper:


.....The trade talks involving the Trail Blazers are no longer speculation. Owner Paul Allen on Thursday acknowledged rumors that the team is considering a trade are true and current, as evidenced by his 30-minute meeting with team president Steve Patterson and general manager John Nash during the third quarter of the Blazers' 105-96 loss to the Phoenix Suns at the Rose Garden.

After the game, Allen said he is contemplating whether he should pull the trigger on a proposed trade.

"Trade. Not to trade. I don't know," Allen said before walking out of the arena........

[dirno2000]

I wonder how he'll adjust to being second or third banana to a player like Dirk.

I think he'll love it. While he has the talent, Sheed's never shown any interest in being the top guy and leading a team.

[Murphy3]

Is slapping Steve upside the head after he gets beaten off the drive a bad thing? Hey, that's one good possibility.
Kiki, I'm sure you wouldn't mind him strangling Nellie a time or two.

[kg_veteran]

That's a good point, Dirno. In Portland, he always deferred to the "leadership" of Scottie Pippen.

I think he doesn't like having the pressure on him to be "the guy". And really, we don't need him to be "the guy" if he comes here. We just need him to defend and rebound to his potential and take high-percentage shots in the paint.

Of course, those are three things he doesn't really like to do with any frequency.

[OutletPass]

Donnie said yesterday that they haven't talked to John Nash about a trade since Dec. 23...go figure...

The idea of dumping TAW's contract certainly appeals to me...but, for me, I also need to see another 5 coming to Dallas...add Dale Davis into this deal for Najera...and you're starting to get my interest.

I can't even believe that I'm considering BOTH Wallace and Walker on the Mavs...Sheeesh !

[kg_veteran]

I've PMed some people about my dislike of the idea of bringing Wallace in, but if he's coming, I might as well analyze it.

(NOTE: For the purposes of the remainder of this post, I'm assuming a deal is all but done.)

I don't think positions matter on offense. We may call Rashweed the center, or Dirk the center, but they're somewhat interchangeable in how they play. On defense, though, will we use Rashweed like we did LaFrentz last year? Will he simply guard the best post player on the opposing team?

What kind of rotation do you use? Something like this?

Wallace 38 - Bradley 10
Nowitzki 38 - Walker 10
Walker 28 - Howard 20
Finley 38 - Howard 10
Nash 32 - Best 16