If Obama wins the general election

[jefelump]

I cringe at the thought...

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_c...eneral_edwards

[Robillion]

i applaud it.

[FishForLunch]

It is Hillary's turn to be president, anybody standing in that way will be destroyed.

[Mavdog]

so we are supposed to fill in the rest of the sentence "if obama wins the general election..."?

ok.
if obama wins the general election washington, and the political machines inside it, will be dramatically changed.

[wmbwinn]

I wish he would define "change".

We could be like Cuba or Kenya. That would be change...

[jefelump]

so we are supposed to fill in the rest of the sentence "if obama wins the general election..."?

Don't be stupid. The article fills in the rest of the sentence. He'll give us a Trip 'n Fall Trial Lawyer as the Attorney General, who personally went after OB/Gyns in medical malpractice lawsuits.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by jefelump

Don't be stupid. The article fills in the rest of the sentence. He'll give us a Trip 'n Fall Trial Lawyer as the Attorney General, who personally went after OB/Gyns in medical malpractice lawsuits.

ah yes, the rumour mill. the close sources who aren't named. this is more worthy of tmz than rasmussen.

who says that edwards is even interested? "sources" close to edwards suggest that obama would be his first choice as ag....

[Robillion]

of course Edwards is not just gonna drop out of the race right now at the idea of being the Attorney General.. though I think that if Edwards wins the nomination than Obama should be VP. I do not think it would be wise for Obama to pick Edwards as VP however.

[Robillion]

.... imagine this..

President Obama
Vice President Richardson
Secretary of State Hilary Clinton
Attorney General Edwards

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Obama for president! I deteste the Hillary.

[Jack.Kerr]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

so we are supposed to fill in the rest of the sentence "if obama wins the general election..."?

ok.
if obama wins the general election washington, and the political machines inside it, will be dramatically changed.

Aww, man....you usually seem smarter and more sophisticated than this.

Washington won't change, let alone change dramatically.

Obama may, but Washington won't. He'll either change, or he'll get ground to bits in a presidency that may approach Jimmy Carter's for weakness.

If you drop a glove into the mud, does the mud get 'glovy' or does the glove get muddy?

[Robillion]

I believe that if Obama gets in office AND he surrounds himself with an administration that shares his desire for change in the "system".. that there will be a change. Him alone cant do it. Edwards would need to be in the cabinent.. Richardson as well.

[Jack.Kerr]

Originally Posted by Robillion

I believe that if Obama gets in office AND he surrounds himself with an administration that shares his desire for change in the "system".. that there will be a change. Him alone cant do it. Edwards would need to be in the cabinent.. Richardson as well.

Won't happen.

[jefelump]

I believe that if Obama gets in office AND he surrounds himself with an administration that shares his desire for change in the "system".. that there will be a change. Him alone cant do it. Edwards would need to be in the cabinent.. Richardson as well.

I don't understand why you think Edwards is so important to any administration. The man lost with Kerry in 2004. He also lost his Senate seat. In the 2008 primaries he finished 2nd in Iowa (his best showing yet), and 3rd in Nevada, New Hampshire, and South Carolina. And to make matters worse for Edwards, he was born in S. Carolina. In my opinion it really says a lot about a man when he can't even carry his own state. The way I see it, the only reason Edwards is still in the game right now, is to try to be a Ross Perot style third candidate. It seems he's pulling votes that Hillary desperately needs to compete with Obama.

And for those of you who think Socialized Medicine is the answer for America, the Republicans are going to have a field day if Edwards is the AG. The frivolous medical malpractice lawsuits are one of the significant factors pushing the cost of healthcare up, and Edwards personally contributed to that mess. People complain that Bush and Cheney are fighting for oil to line their pockets. Well if Edwards is the AG and he and his cronies are still winning frivolous lawsuits, the US Government will be to Edwards what Halliburton supposedly is to Cheney.

[Flacolaco]

presidential priorities:

1. Anyone but Billary
2. Anyone but a democrat

#1. is looking more and more fulfilled all the time. Let's just take care of that, and we'll worry about being unfairly taxed for 4 years after we solve that little problem.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

Aww, man....you usually seem smarter and more sophisticated than this.

Washington won't change, let alone change dramatically.

Obama may, but Washington won't. He'll either change, or he'll get ground to bits in a presidency that may approach Jimmy Carter's for weakness.

If you drop a glove into the mud, does the mud get 'glovy' or does the glove get muddy?

I'd say there is less mud and more glove...

if obama makes it, his effectiveness will depend on his majority of the vote. I could see a scenario where he gets the 52% plus that he needs.

[FishForLunch]

Slinging slime is what Clintons do best

By PHILP GAILEY
Published January 27, 2008


Bill Clinton is all over the place, like a mad dog's slobber.

On the campaign trail as his wife's chief surrogate, he is losing his temper, snapping at reporters, mangling the truth, distorting the record including his own and acting more like a political hatchet man than a former president. He warns that voting for Barack Obama would be a "roll of the dice." Obama's record as a consistent opponent of the Iraq war is a "fairy tale." Last week in South Carolina, Clinton accused Obama of doing a "hit job" on him, but refused to back up the charge. He has injected race into the campaign by defining Obama as just another black candidate who can't go all the way.

Compared to the dirty work being handled by other surrogates and anonymous character assassins, Bill Clinton is taking the high road. Even so, some leading Democrats fear he is damaging the party. Sen. Edward Kennedy and Rep. Rahm Emanuel, who are neutral in the race, asked the former president to stop sliming and slamming Obama, according to Newsweek. He is not about to back off. If the price of taking down Obama is to tarnish his post-White House image as a global statesman, Clinton doesn't mind paying it. The Big Dog is having too much fun doing what he does best, which is being unpresidential.

Narcissist that he is, Bill Clinton can't pass up an opportunity to remind voters of the glory years of his presidency, years Hillary promises to restore without all the scandals and embarrassments. Great was his unfaithfulness, and he owes her big-time. Maybe he figures getting her into the Oval Office he occupied for eight years will settle that debt. But as always, it's also about him. If Hillary Clinton is about to make history, he intends to play a starring role in his wife's campaign - and almost certainly in her presidency.

In Clinton-think, it's bad enough that Barack Obama didn't defer to Hillary this time and wait his turn. But the nerve of this guy trying to become the nation's first president who happens to be black. Hasn't anyone told Obama that Toni Morrison called Bill Clinton the nation's "first black president" a decade ago?

Politics is a game of hard knocks, some below the belt, and it is not for the faint-hearted. And no one plays political hardball as aggressively as the Clintons. They are ruthless when it comes to smashing their opponents or anyone else who threatens their political ambitions. What they are doing to Barack Obama is not all that different from what they did to the women who outed Clinton as a serial adulterer as governor of Arkansas and as president.

When it comes to the politics of personal destruction, the Clintons know how to get the job done while appearing to be above the ugliness of it all. Defamation is their weapon of choice.

In Iowa, an e-mail was bouncing around the state planting suspicion that Obama was a Muslim who had been trained in radical Islam in an Indonesian madrassa. This slander was traced by to some Clinton campaign volunteers, who were asked to resign. The candidate said there was no place in her campaign for such smears.

Then Bill Shaheen, co-chairman of Clinton's campaign in New Hampshire, told reporters of his concern that if Obama, who has admitted using illegal drugs as a teenager, were to win the nomination, some voters might wonder if he also may have been a dope peddler. When Obama cried foul, Shaheen apologized and resigned from his campaign post. Hillary Clinton apologized to Obama for Shaheen's smear. The apologies and resignation kept the story alive by repeating the original defamation.

Before the Clintons are through with Obama, he will be stumbling around punch-drunk from all the jabs, kicks, slaps and punches the Clintons are throwing at him. They make outrageously false claims about his record and distort his words. And when he fights back, Hillary asks, whatever happened to Obama's promise to lift politics to higher ground?

Nicholas von Hoffman, a New York Observer columnist, wrote last week: "The heart of the Clintons' strategy is to pull Obama down to their level . . . The Clintons cannot compete with the enthusiasm Obama sets off so they must destroy it. Their tactic is disillusionment. They are the quashers of the dream. Bring Obama's people down by showing them he is just another pol like themselves."

The Clintons don't seem to care if black voters are offended by the way they have been roughing up Obama. Like the Democratic Party, they take black votes for granted in the general election. And besides, maybe after Hillary wins the nomination with the support of Hispanics, now the nation's largest minority, black voters will take note and wonder if Hillary Clinton will be known as the nation's "first Hispanic president."

[Ninkobei]

Yikes, the above article really rips the clintons a new one. I mean wow- anyone have thoughts on this I'd love to hear them.

[Jack.Kerr]

Originally Posted by Ninkobei

Yikes, the above article really rips the clintons a new one. I mean wow- anyone have thoughts on this I'd love to hear them.

I think conservatives feel they have a better chance against Obama than against Hillary.

[alexamenos]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

...if obama wins the general election washington, and the political machines inside it, will be dramatically changed.

so, umm......

....what color of kool-aid didya have for breakfast this morning, md?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Unbiasedly, I think Obama is the strongest candidate in both parties. He probably won't play dirty to win though so he'll probably lose. The Clintons have plenty of rabbits to pull out of their combined hats.

[Usually Lurkin]

Obama is way too liberal to win in the general election. I think conservatives really want him to win the nomination. I don't think that the Clintons will let that happen, though.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by alexamenos

so, umm......

....what color of kool-aid didya have for breakfast this morning, md?

the obama capaign is a very, very different organization than tradition, and the other candidates, run. they have used a very well managed "grass roots" effort that has by-passed the incumbent local power brokers. for instance in s carolina the obama campaign did not go and reach out to the black preachers, handing out the vote money that they traditionally are given to round up their voters.

second, if you do not believe that having a black american as president won't in itself presage a different day inside the beltway, well, you just aren't paying attention.

[Jack.Kerr]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

second, if you do not believe that having a black american as president won't in itself presage a different day inside the beltway, well, you just aren't paying attention.

Why do people keep insisting that Obama is black?

I'm half as black as he is.

[Ninkobei]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

Why do people keep insisting that Obama is black?

I'm half as black as he is.

classy

[alexamenos]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

the obama capaign is a very, very different organization than tradition, and the other candidates, run. they have used a very well managed "grass roots" effort that has by-passed the incumbent local power brokers. for instance in s carolina the obama campaign did not go and reach out to the black preachers, handing out the vote money that they traditionally are given to round up their voters.

second, if you do not believe that having a black american as president won't in itself presage a different day inside the beltway, well, you just aren't paying attention.

is that the long way of saying "purple colored kool-aid"?

obama is a fine fellow and i'm sure he'd make a helluva preacher but he's not gonna make any bigger of a difference in the way washington does business than the last guy that ran as a uniter, not a divider.

...addendum - and at the end of the day it doesn't make a bit of difference that obama is black (sort of) -- the only color that counts is green, and $3 trillion in green >>>> one moderately brown dude.

[Jack.Kerr]

Originally Posted by Ninkobei

classy

Evasive?

[Murphy3]

The last thing this country needs is a PMSing Oprah as VP....

[mkat]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

I think conservatives feel they have a better chance against Obama than against Hillary.

from what i've read and what's been said by Republican staffers...they'd rather see Hillary than Obama.

[mkat]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

The last thing this country needs is a PMSing Oprah as VP....

Universal Suffrage at its finest.

[Jack.Kerr]

See if the pro-Clinton media runs with this.

[FishForLunch]

Who would want to snake hands with a snake

[FINtastic]

Obama was worried if he turned around, he might turn to stone. I can't blame him.

[George Gervin]

Originally Posted by FishForLunch

Who would want to snake hands with a snake

people have been shaking dick cheney's hands for years ..

[Jack.Kerr]

Originally Posted by FINtastic

Obama was worried if he turned around, he might turn to stone.

After accepting a Kennedy endorsement? I doubt it.

Just makes it hard to take his trumpeting for CHANGE! in Washington too seriously if this is how he conducts himself at the interpersonal level, and then lies about it afterward.

Back to the question of whether the pro-Clinton media will unsheath their daggers, in today's NYTimes, items found in 3 front-page articles:

1) Obama used to live in a building known for drug-dealing back when he was a student at Columbia, and how his campaign has conveniently forgotten any details about that period in his life (CLEARLY not an allusion to his own admissions of drug use during his youth)

2) How many rural white voters in Tennessee and Arkansas have expressed concerns (fear, even) about his (unsubstantiated) ties to Islam

3) How he receives support from special interest groups whom he has criticized in the past.


Like clockwork.

[jefelump]

from Jack.Kerr
Just makes it hard to take his trumpeting for CHANGE! in Washington too seriously if this is how he conducts himself at the interpersonal level, and then lies about it afterward.

I completely agree. As we can clearly see, there is no change here. It's just more of the same from a bitter party who is furious that GW Bush ever occupied the White House.

from alexamenos in a different thread
if I may speak for democrats every where....

When Democrats call for change, what they really mean is they want changes in outcomes, or more speciically, "we want a change in outcomes and we want to achieve this change in outcomes by applying the same remedies to the same diagnoses."

from wmbwinn in response to alexamenos
Einstein-
"It is insanity to do the same thing and expect a different outcome."

I want to win the lottery too, but it will never happen... especially if I don't buy a ticket.

from Jack.Kerr
Like clockwork

This is why I keep saying that voting for "change" is so dangerous. As we can see once again, history is repeating itself. The Dems are running with this stupid slogan of "change", but they aren't DOING anything that can be considered "change". The only change they want is a change in the party who occupies the White House. Nothing else matters.

And to anyone out there who still thinks voting for a candidate just because he/she is the "candidate of change" is a good idea, please wake up and stop being so naive. Every single candidate out there, from both parties, is offering "change". None of them are named George W Bush. We will have change whether we want it or not. So let's start talking about real issues, instead of stupid campaign trail slogans that don't mean anything.

[Robillion]

oh so many neo conservatives here. sigh.
Im tired.. but tomorrow I shall write an intelligent response, I promise.

[Motofoto]

Originally Posted by Robillion

oh so many neo conservatives here. sigh.
Im tired.. but tomorrow I shall write an intelligent response, I promise.

Well this is a fansite for a team from Dallas, Texas you know. It should be expected. Anyways Bush is the conservative version of Jimmy Carter. The country will not elect such a right wing president for a long time. Everything is shifting to the left. Hell, it looks like the republicans are going to have to nominate Mccain if that isn't proof enough.

[Epitome22]

Yeah, this is Texas afterall. Not exactly a liberal, moderate or even centrist state. You should expect going in that you're going to be dealing with a reactionary majority.

[Flacolaco]

Well it looks like Hillary is going to be ruling this country with her soul-less iron vagina after all the delegates are counted tonight.