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BGMaverick9 · 02-07-2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

The fact that Chicago really doesn't pose a threat in the low post with their centers, I'm not so sure we're going to see Hollins tonight. I have a feeling we'll see Singleton get some decent run tonight.

I gotta get that S*@$ correlating to GDTs!!!!

Dtownsfinest · 02-07-2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

Anybody that says Green > Wright does not really know the game of basketball.

You talk like Wright is this All World player. He is what he is. He's not a starter in this league and never will be. Green however has the potential to be. Atleast he should get the chance anyway. Wright would be a great guy to have come off the bench probably a part of your 8 man rotation but that's about it.

Bayliss · 02-07-2009, 09:16 PM

Dirk has just sucked the last 3 games. Just horrendous effort on his part.

Houston hopefully will lose to Memphis tonight. If they do then the Mavs better take advantage of it. Of course they would have had another game on Houston too had they taken care of business.

Just proves my point even more.

monty55555 · 02-07-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Ridiculous pass by Terry. Looked like the other Jason.

Was just about to say this.

Dirkadirkastan · 02-07-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Home court advantage is incredibly overrated in the playoffs, most of the time. The reason you see such a correlation between the team with HCA and the team winning the series is because the team with HCA is usually better.

Boston was 13-1 at home and 3-9 on the road in the playoffs and finals last year. If they don't actually get more games at home each round, do they still win either of the first two series?

alby · 02-07-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

You talk like Wright is this All World player. He is what he is. He's not a starter in this league and never will be. Green however has the potential to be. Atleast he should get the chance anyway. Wright would be a great guy to have come off the bench probably a part of your 8 man rotation but that's about it.

I wouldn't even start Green on my NBDL team.

alby · 02-07-2009, 09:20 PM

the fact that the stream keeps changing games is really frustrating me

why would they show the Heat game?

monty55555 · 02-07-2009, 09:21 PM

Nice block by Singleton.

LonghornDub · 02-07-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

And two evenly matched teams, home court is extremely important. Just see Utah as the example to that. They suck on the road even though they are just as good as any of the other teams liker Portland, Phx, Houston. Portland is another example of that too. Great at home and poor on the road.

HCA is going to be huge once again this year in the west. It will mean nothing in the East until Cleveland, Boston, Orlando play each other.

Why do you say HCA is going to be huge "again" in the west? When was it huge before? The Spurs beat the Suns no matter who has HCA. Utah has beat Houston two years in a row with Houston having HCA. The Warriors beat the Mavs without HCA. In fact, most of the series where the team with HCA won, the team with HCA was clearly better anyway. In most of those series, you could take away the higher seed's HCA and they'd still win (ex: Hornets-Mavs last year).

Like I said, HCA is overrated. Yes, teams obviously play better at home than on the road, but HCA doesn't give you an entire series at home. Regardless of when a series ends (4, 5, 6, or 7 games), the team with HCA had, at most, one extra game at home. That's really not that big of a deal. The better team will win most of the time anyway.

GermanFan · 02-07-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanFan

http://www.knicktv.com/

bad quali but only mavs game

tcat075 · 02-07-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

I wouldn't even start Green on my NBDL team.

Then you're an idiot?

Green has proven he can score on the drive, from the jumper and behind the arc. Anyone who can do all three of those things and play marginally okay defense and has decent decision making should be able to play in the NBA. Green has marginally okay defense (with room to improve) and has decent decision making (again, with room to improve).

I firmly believe Wright is a better player RIGHT NOW than Green. Wright has the potential, imo, to be a 5th starter or 6th or 7th man off the bench...nothing more.

Green has the chance of becoming a LeBron-like player. Not the next LeBron, but an extremely atheletic player who dunks like crazy, has an outside game and has the potential to become a very good shot blocker and defender.

Dtownsfinest · 02-07-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

I wouldn't even start Green on my NBDL team.

What? What made you come to the conclusion? We haven't seen him even on the floor this season and when he has been he's showing his potential. Wow.

JET is getting his hands on the ball everytime Ben Gordon has it. I remember last time the two met Gordon made JET his bitch. JET's not having it this game.

alby · 02-07-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

Then you're an idiot?

Green has proven he can score on the drive, from the jumper and behind the arc. Anyone who can do all three of those things and play marginally okay defense and has decent decision making should be able to play in the NBA. Green has marginally okay defense (with room to improve) and has decent decision making (again, with room to improve).

I firmly believe Wright is a better player RIGHT NOW than Green. Wright has the potential, imo, to be a 5th starter or 6th or 7th man off the bench...nothing more.

Green has the chance of becoming a LeBron-like player. Not the next LeBron, but an extremely atheletic player who dunks like crazy, has an outside game and has the potential to become a very good shot blocker and defender.

That's why Dallas is his fourth team in 2 years. nice.

MaVs 41 BaLler · 02-07-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

the fact that the stream keeps changing games is really frustrating me

why would they show the Heat game?

dude use this it was posted earlier

http://www.knicktv.com/

Bayliss · 02-07-2009, 09:24 PM

I wonder if he'll play Dirk as the 4 and Singleton as the 3 tonight?

alby · 02-07-2009, 09:25 PM

Why would the link show the Hawks game when they are down 25 with 90 seconds left?

monty55555 · 02-07-2009, 09:25 PM

This 2nd unit has saved the Mavs so far.

tcat075 · 02-07-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

That's why Dallas is his fourth team in 2 years. nice.

So, are you saying you haven't like what you've seen from Green on the offensive side of the ball this year?

LonghornDub · 02-07-2009, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Boston was 13-1 at home and 3-9 on the road in the playoffs and finals last year. If they don't actually get more games at home each round, do they still win either of the first two series?

Probably not, but I'm not saying that being at home isn't advantageous. In an individual game (read: Game 7), HCA is huge. But most series don't go to 7 games anyway,and a superior team is going to wrap up a series before then--usually--regardless of the order of their home games.

alby · 02-07-2009, 09:26 PM

thanks for the knick link

Dirkadirkastan · 02-07-2009, 09:27 PM

alby fallaciously implies that a man that powers home flashy dunks necessarily can't do anything else.

alby · 02-07-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

So, are you saying you haven't like what you've seen from Green on the offensive side of the ball this year?

Yes.

alby · 02-07-2009, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

alby fallaciously implies that a man that powers home flashy dunks necessarily can't do anything else.

Not completely true.

BGMaverick9 · 02-07-2009, 09:29 PM

This defensive performance the past couple quarters is UGLY.

tcat075 · 02-07-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

Yes.

And that's where I disagree with you.

And I'm going to leave it at that, unless you have anything else to say.

Bayliss · 02-07-2009, 09:29 PM

Dirk has been the Mavs wost player the couple of games. Man, he is struggling.

GermanDunk · 02-07-2009, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

the fact that the stream keeps changing games is really frustrating me

why would they show the Heat game?

Keep cool alby

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/upstreamtv

Bayliss · 02-07-2009, 09:32 PM

Why won't Carlisle play a center? He has two of them. Play the two centers 48 minutes.

tcat075 · 02-07-2009, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Why won't Carlisle play a center? He has two of them. Play the two centers 48 minutes.

Who do you consider the second center? Hollins, Bass and Singleton are all more PF's in my opinion. All of them are somewhat undersized when playing C.

nikeball · 02-07-2009, 09:35 PM

What is everyone's obsession with Green? We see him for a few minutes a game, a slam dunk contest..and someone has already compared him to Lebron. This kid is young and raw. There are people all around basketball who know 1000000x more than us and they declare he isn't ready. Do you really think that if he has the ability to help us win the Mavs front office would hold him back? The fact is.. he isn't ready yet. He needs to work on his fundamentals that he didn't learn when he skipped college.

Bayliss · 02-07-2009, 09:36 PM

Dirk finally found his shot somewhat. He needs to carry it over in the second half. Chicago is getting to the rim at will, and their is no shotblockers waiting for them. Hollins can check Noah and/or Thomas. No reason not to play him.

Bayliss · 02-07-2009, 09:37 PM

Hollins is definitely a center.

tcat075 · 02-07-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by nikeball

What is everyone's obsession with Green? We see him for a few minutes a game, a slam dunk contest..and someone has already compared him to Lebron. This kid is young and raw. There are people all around basketball who know 1000000x more than us and they declare he isn't ready. Do you really think that if he has the ability to help us win the Mavs front office would hold him back? The fact is.. he isn't ready yet. He needs to work on his fundamentals that he didn't learn when he skipped college.

Actually, what was said is that Green could become LeBron-esque. Not Lebron, and he's not Lebron right now, but maybe, 5 years down the road, he'll be that type of a player for a team.

Bayliss · 02-07-2009, 09:38 PM

The defense is just so porous with Dirk as the center. That problem as well as the SG has to be addressed by the trade deadline.

tcat075 · 02-07-2009, 09:39 PM

You're right, Hollins is definantly a center.

I thought he was around 6'9" not 7'1".

Its just that I'm not used to center's who are actually athletic...Damp and Diop? Enough said.

BGMaverick9 · 02-07-2009, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Dirk finally found his shot somewhat. He needs to carry it over in the second half. Chicago is getting to the rim at will, and their is no shotblockers waiting for them. Hollins can check Noah and/or Thomas. No reason not to play him.

I would say that's more of a perimeter defense issue more than anything. Sure Hollins can block, but he'll mount up the fouls pretty quickly.

Green:
Where exactly are you hoping to get him minutes from? Wright sets the tone fairly well, he'll attack AND he'll defend. Green is still raw on defense and bites on fakes too much. So the SG position isn't an option with Wright and Jet.

SF - Josh takes a chunk of the minutes like Jet does. They'll run the Kidd/Jet backcourt a lot so you need some defense to go with that. That's why you see Wright, George and Singleton.

So where do you see him getting the minutes?

BGMaverick9 · 02-07-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

The defense is just so porous with Dirk as the center. That problem as well as the SG has to be addressed by the trade deadline.

I'm not thinking it's realistic to address both of those issues and fix it by the deadline, you might get one but not both. That's the timeless debate we've had for years on end.

DavidDaMonkey · 02-07-2009, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

You're right, Hollins is definantly a center.

I thought he was around 6'9" not 7'1".

Its just that I'm not used to center's who are actually athletic...Damp and Diop? Enough said.

I'd love to see if Hollins could add some bulk over the offseason without losing his athleticism. If he can just get a little bigger, I think he's really be able to bully some guys off the block.

nikeball · 02-07-2009, 09:55 PM

Jet is out remainder of game with broken left ring finger. F.

TNT · 02-07-2009, 09:58 PM

dirk is back!