2020-2021 Season thread - Page 15 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Thespiralgoeson · 03-25-2021, 01:33 PM

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Naw it wasn't a burn I was just commenting on what I'm witnessing. I get it. It sucks to read negativity about the Mavs especially when its the same ol' same ol'....but damn it feels like this organization is running the same ol' same ol'. I keep giving them the excuses that they didn't have the trade bait to get certain guys but I'm not sure if its just an excuse or actual truth. I think they really like how their team is constructed and basically want to trade a Datsun for a Range Rover.

Fair enough. But I would argue it's not necessarily that just want to trade a Datsun for a Range Rover. I think they simply have a Datsun, and need a Range Rover.

I'm not saying the Mavs have been perfect by any means. But I do think some posters on this forum have consistently either overestimated the Mavs assets, or they underestimate how hard it is to actually make trades. There's a reason only like 6 teams make noteworthy trades at the deadline each year, and the other 24 don't. They don't all love their guys so much. The fact is, for most teams, there simply isn't a rush or incentive. It just makes more sense to wait until the offseason.

I don't know exactly how much they really like their boys in blue vs. how much that is just PR talk. I think they like their team better than some of the posters here- because reading the GDT's, I'd swear this is actually a Rockets forum and the Mavs are the ones who just lost like 20 in a row. Most people don't seem to think or feel that the Mavs have actually been pretty damn good since early February and have quietly put together a very respectable season.

But I guarantee you they do not love their boys in blue so much that they don't want to make the team better. Reports came out last year that the Mavs considered everyone outside of Luka and KP expendable, and then this year it got out that they were gauging KP's value around the league- yes they denied it, but I don't buy their denials. I think they absolutely were quietly shopping KP.

So, that tells me that everyone outside of Luka is on the table as far as the MBT is concerned. So I don't share the impression that they haven't made a trade happen because they simply value their guys too much and have been unwilling to trade TJH or Brunson or someone.

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I agree. And for the record, I'd still do that trade for KP......I'm not entirely sure if they would've drafted a guy of his caliber with those draft picks anyway....but when teams are selling its tough to try and buy without recent 1st round picks available.

For the record, I agree. I would also still do the KP trade. KP is flawed and limited, but he's still probably better than anyone they would have drafted and DSJ has basically washed out of the league.

Dallas41 · 03-25-2021, 01:11 PM

Looks like buy out market for Mavs

I think Drummond was traded to Clippers

Maybe Porter gets a buy out from Orlando

Budapest Maverick · 03-25-2021, 01:16 PM

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Looks like buy out market for Mavs

I think Drummond was traded to Clippers

Maybe Porter gets a buy out from Orlando

I wanted Ottomatic for a long time. Would love that move very much, almost like a long tryout with a playoffs for the summer/fall FA season.

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 01:20 PM

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I wanted Ottomatic for a long time. Would love that move very much, almost like a long tryout with a playoffs for the summer/fall FA season.

Porter sucks.....but I mean...who knows what he can do with a guy like Luka though. Seems to fit that "complimentary" role they seem to want guys to have here. A viable role player.

Dallas41 · 03-25-2021, 01:23 PM

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Porter sucks.....but I mean...who knows what he can do with a guy like Luka though. Seems to fit that "complimentary" role they seem to want guys to have here. A viable role player.

He's been injured lately

But I don't think he sucks.

He's still a solid wing defender never lived up to that contract extension he signed.

He would at least be on DFS level when he's healthy and that is enough for me since the Mavs need another tall wing player.

I'm crossing my fingers he gets bought out but then again he might just run to LA or Brooklyn

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 01:25 PM

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He's been injured lately

But I don't think he sucks.

He's still a solid wing defender never lived up to that contract extension he signed.

He would at least be on DFS level when he's healthy and that is enough for me since the Mavs need another tall wing player.

I'm crossing my fingers he gets bought out but then again he might just run to LA or Brooklyn

See...my viewpoint of Porter is that he's a guy that does nothing great. I think DFS is a better defender then him. Not a very good scorer but can shoot somewhat. Its just a very "blah" move and I understand that's all we have and trust I'd take him but to me he sort of becomes redundant when you already have guys like Richardson and DFS on the team.

Bryan_Wilson · 03-25-2021, 01:37 PM

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He's been injured lately

But I don't think he sucks.

He's still a solid wing defender never lived up to that contract extension he signed.

He would at least be on DFS level when he's healthy and that is enough for me since the Mavs need another tall wing player.

I'm crossing my fingers he gets bought out but then again he might just run to LA or Brooklyn

56 games played in '19, 14 in '20, and 25 so far this year.

Not real encouraging. I wouldn't say no to adding him but I wouldn't rly be expecting much from him either. He also looked rly clunky and slow last time I saw him so idk if that was him coming off injury or if he just put on weight but that wouldn't bode well for defense.

Dallas41 · 03-25-2021, 01:27 PM

Not sure if this is true but they are reporting Clippers looking into both Rondo and Drummond.

Does that make them and Denver top two out west?

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 01:51 PM

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Not sure if this is true but they are reporting Clippers looking into both Rondo and Drummond.

Does that make them and Denver top two out west?

I mean arguably it would but I don't know I do not like the pieces they are surrounding around these guys. Individually they are fine players but these are not guys who compliment each other to win a championship. Maybe Rondo help with that.

EricaLubarsky · 03-25-2021, 01:58 PM

Reddick to Mavs

purplefrog · 03-25-2021, 02:00 PM

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Reddick to Mavs

Would be a great pick-up.

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 01:58 PM

Yikes....Raptors look like sellers....

Thespiralgoeson · 03-25-2021, 02:10 PM

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Yikes....Raptors look like sellers....

Most definitely. Which makes it that much more intriguing where Lowry ends up.

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 02:14 PM

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Most definitely. Which makes it that much more intriguing where Lowry ends up.

So confused by what they did....they shipped out Thomas, Davis and Powell.......and kept Lowry who IMO, is at his highest value right now.....

EricaLubarsky · 03-25-2021, 02:00 PM

Yeah I would have liked Powell from them. He’d be a great THJ replacement.

Still Reddick is also a sharp shooter and a great vet

purplefrog · 03-25-2021, 02:03 PM

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
now
Dallas has acquired New Orleans‘ JJ Redick, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Mavericks also acquire Trey Lyles from the Spurs in this multi-team deal.

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 02:03 PM

Blazers just added a 20 point per game scorer to their squad.....very nice move to solidify that 3 spot for them.

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 02:04 PM

I like Trey Lyles and JJ Reddick. I'm curious to see if they'd actually play Trey Lyles though since James Johnson can't get any playing time.

EricaLubarsky · 03-25-2021, 02:08 PM

Johnson + Iwundu + second rounder
for
Lyles and Redick

tgfan · 03-25-2021, 02:08 PM

I love Reddick's court demeanor, attitude, and intensity. Hope it rubs off on a couple Mavs.

Dallas41 · 03-25-2021, 02:15 PM

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I love Reddick's court demeanor, attitude, and intensity. Hope it rubs off on a couple Mavs.

I would have much rather had the bigger Fournier.

This just has the makings of another disaster when teams throw out bigger wings and the Mavs counter with Brunson and Reddick to defend.

At this stage of his career I'm not sure he gives you anything more than Burke.

They just love these small guards and playing them together in tandem

tgfan · 03-25-2021, 02:41 PM

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I would have much rather had the bigger Fournier.

This just has the makings of another disaster when teams throw out bigger wings and the Mavs counter with Brunson and Reddick to defend.

At this stage of his career I'm not sure he gives you anything more than Burke.

They just love these small guards and playing them together in tandem

But, was there ever any chance of the Mavs getting Fournier?

Bryan_Wilson · 03-25-2021, 02:44 PM

Just want to take a min aside from Mavs to lol at the Rockets. Didn't they trade Lavert, who is on a friendly contract, for Oladpio who they have turned into Olynyk and Bradley?

EricaLubarsky · 03-25-2021, 02:46 PM

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Just want to take a min aside from Mavs to lol at the Rockets. Didn't they trade Lavert, who is on a friendly contract, for Oladpio who they have turned into Olynyk and Bradley?

Rockets deserve all the crap they get.

I just feel sorry for Christian Wood. Seems like a good guy and he's stuck with the Rockets.

tap2390 · 03-25-2021, 02:48 PM

Evan Fournier never made any sense for the Mavs. We trade assets for him and then what? We resign him, THJ, and JRich to long terms deal in the same offseason? That's not a championship roster.

Oladipo never made sense either. We trade for him just to watch him walk to Miami? It's no secret that is where he wants to be.

You know what does make sense? Trading next to nothing for a veteran three point specialist known to be a strong locker room presence.

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 02:51 PM

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Just want to take a min aside from Mavs to lol at the Rockets. Didn't they trade Lavert, who is on a friendly contract, for Oladpio who they have turned into Olynyk and Bradley?

Yeah that reminds me....why not just keep Levert? I get the health scare he had but I don't think Houston or anyone knew about it prior to the trade.

Dallas41 · 03-25-2021, 02:45 PM

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But, was there ever any chance of the Mavs getting Fournier?

Considering it was the cost of just two 2nd round picks I think they had a good chance.

But I said this earlier before the deadline that Dallas would probably fall in love with Redick and claim that was the best target for this roster.

I mean we call speculate what the Mavs could offer and what teams wuld actually take from the Mavs but when you look at some these deals and what it took to get done this tells me the Mavs were just content as Donnie said with their top rotation players being very good.

Well it doesn't matter anymore they aren't beating Denver, La Clippers or Utah now anyways

Thespiralgoeson · 03-25-2021, 02:47 PM

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Considering it was the cost of just two 2nd round picks I think they had a good chance.

But I said this earlier before the deadline that Dallas would probably fall in love with Redick and claim that was the best target for this roster.

I mean we call speculate what the Mavs could offer and what teams wuld actually take from the Mavs but when you look at some these deals and what it took to get done this tells me the Mavs were just content as Donnie said with their top rotation players being very good.

Once again though, will you please at least be consistent and apply it to all the other teams who didn't get Fournier or Oladipo for those ridiculously lowball offers?

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 02:15 PM

Kelly Olynyk and Avery Bradley

for Victor Oladipo....

You've gotta be shitting me.......

Dallas41 · 03-25-2021, 02:17 PM

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Kelly Olynyk and Avery Bradley

for Victor Oladipo....

You've gotta be shitting me.......

see this is the crap I'm talking about

we end up with Reddick and someone will spend it as if that was a better fit for the Mavs

Thespiralgoeson · 03-25-2021, 02:18 PM

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see this is the crap I'm talking about

we end up with Reddick and someone will spend it as if that was a better fit for the Mavs

FWIW, I think Oladipo is washed, and I think Reddick is a better fit for the Mavs.

Dallas41 · 03-25-2021, 02:20 PM

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FWIW, I think Oladipo is washed, and I think Reddick is a better fit for the Mavs.

LOL

Ok buddy I figured you'd put a nice spin on it

I respect your opinion

Thespiralgoeson · 03-25-2021, 02:21 PM

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LOL

Ok buddy I figured you'd put a nice spin on it

I respect your opinion

I mean, that's nowhere near as ridiculous as trying to seriously argue that KP is better than Zion or Simmons, but ok to you too buddy.

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 02:29 PM

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FWIW, I think Oladipo is washed, and I think Reddick is a better fit for the Mavs.

How is Oladipo washed but JJ Reddick is a fit for the Mavs? That doesn't even make sense lol.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-25-2021, 02:31 PM

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How is Oladipo washed but JJ Reddick is a fit for the Mavs? That doesn't even make sense lol.

Because we need a three point specialist- which Redick still is-, not an inefficient volume scorer who can no longer defend. That's why.

EDIT: For the record, I am NOT arguing that Redick is a better player than Oladipo.

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 02:19 PM

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see this is the crap I'm talking about

we end up with Reddick and someone will spend it as if that was a better fit for the Mavs

Yeah I don't care what any one says.......that deal SUCKS. How in the hell do you get Oladipo for Kelly Olynyk and Avery Bradley? I'm sorry but something is not right the moves these teams are making and what we are ending up with. Mavs have to be intentionally settling for these low risk type deals.

purplefrog · 03-25-2021, 02:21 PM

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Yeah I don't care what any one says.......that deal SUCKS. How in the hell do you get Oladipo for Kelly Olynyk and Avery Bradley? I'm sorry but something is not right the moves these teams are making and what we are ending up with. Mavs have to be intentionally settling for these low risk type deals.

"We like our team".

Dallas41 · 03-25-2021, 02:22 PM

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Yeah I don't care what any one says.......that deal SUCKS. How in the hell do you get Oladipo for Kelly Olynyk and Avery Bradley? I'm sorry but something is not right the moves these teams are making and what we are ending up with. Mavs have to be intentionally settling for these low risk type deals.

I posted Donnie's comments in the trade thread

He literally said that the Mavs were content with their top 11 players and unless they could get a star player they weren't moving anyone

So basically Fournier and Oladipo wasn't better than anyone on the roster who he considers apart that top 11 I guess

Thespiralgoeson · 03-25-2021, 02:20 PM

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see this is the crap I'm talking about

we end up with Reddick and someone will spend it as if that was a better fit for the Mavs

Also, keep in mind that Oladipo has been very vocal for months now about the fact that he wants to play for Miami and nobody else. So it's not surprising that that Mavs- and everyone else- didn't offer more for him than Miami did, when he's UFA at the end of the season and has made it clear he's only going to be a rental for anyone other than the Heat.

Dallas41 · 03-25-2021, 02:24 PM

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Also, keep in mind that Oladipo has been very vocal for months now about the fact that he wants to play for Miami and nobody else. So it's not surprising that that Mavs- and everyone else- didn't offer more for him than Miami did, when he's UFA at the end of the season and has made it clear he's only going to be a rental for anyone other than the Heat.

seriously man are we really debating having Oladipo for half a season as opposed to keeping James freaking Johnson or Trey Burke?