20 ways Hillary and her supporters are being snubbed in Denver

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Snubbing Hillary

Team Obama tried way too hard to leave this as a Top Ten.

By Jim Geraghty

Denver — Sure, she’s getting a Harry Thomason-created biographical video played at the convention, she and her husband are speaking, and she’s getting a roll-call vote. But look hard and it’s not hard to find a bunch of signs that Hillary is indeed getting snubbed.

1. She’s not Obama’s running mate.

2. He never even went through the motions of vetting her. (I mean, seriously, why not go through all of her entire background — Bill Clinton’s overseas speaking fees, the family finances, health, unsavory associations — in order to pick up dirt to use as leverage later? I thought Obama was supposed to be this sharp-elbowed politician from Chicago.)

3. He never even asked her who else would make a good running mate.

4. He didn’t ask Bill Clinton, either. All things considered, Al Gore turned out pretty well for him. How much effort would it have taken to go through the motions of flattering these people

5. The running mate he chose, Biden, was as critical of her during the primary as he was of Obama. (“From the part of Hillary’s proposal, the part that really baffles me is, ‘We’re going to teach the Iraqis a lesson.’ We’re not going to equip them? O.K. Cap our troops and withdraw support from the Iraqis? That’s a real good idea.” The result of Mrs. Clinton’s position on Iraq, Mr. Biden says, would be “nothing but disaster.”)

6. The 3 a.m. text message.

7. All of the delegates from Michigan and Florida have been reinstated . . . long after it would do her any good. Now that the DNC concedes she was right, where does she go to get her delegate count and “she can win the large important swing states” argument back?

8. If she speaks at 10 p.m. Eastern on Tuesday, Colorado’s Senator Ken Salazar is hosting a reception at Zengo at that hour, while Rep. Chris Van Hollen honors the House Democratic Caucus at the Museum of Nature and Science starting at that hour.

9. New York delegation? Seated behind North Dakota on the convention floor.

10. West Virginia? Worst seats in the house.

11. Other worst seats in the house, on the other side? Kentucky.

12. She’s speaking on Tuesday, the toughest night to make a splash. Monday night opens the show, and Wednesday and Thursday each feature half the ticket. Tuesday night has always been the red-headed stepchild of the convention. Last year Teresa Heinz-Kerry headlined it. This year, Michelle gets to be the leadoff headline speaker.

13. Charlie Rangel wasn’t given a speaking role at the convention.

14. Bill Richardson, James Carville’s “Judas,” gets a prime speaking spot.

15. Some Hillary backers in office did get speaking slots — most notably Pennsylvania governor Ed Rendell and Ohio governor Ted Strickland. But the speaker list includes a long list of prominent Obama endorsers, usually in the nationally televised speaking slots — John Kerry, Jimmy Carter, Tom Daschle, Richard Daley, Jay Rockefeller, Robert Wexler . . .

16. Wexler is in hot water for allegations he doesn’t legally reside in the district he lives in, but he still got a speaking slot. Why give a slot to a guy with a cloud hanging over him, instead of some other Floridian? Well, he endorsed Obama way back in March 2007.

17. The keynote speaker, Mark Warner, isn’t from Team Hillary.

18. On “Securing America” night, neither the chairman of the House Armed Service Committee, Ike Skelton, or the chairman of the House Intelligence Commmitte, Silvestre Reyes are speaking. Both endorsed Hillary.

19. National Journal asked 76 Democratic insiders which demographic group Obama needs to sway during the convention, and 42 percent said whites over age 45, 32 percent said blue-collar workers, and 21 percent said women. All of her base demographics. And he still didn’t pick her.

20. None of the delegates are being encouraged to visit the Denver Zoo to see the pumas.

— Jim Geraghty writes the Campaign Spot for NRO.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...WRmM2U=&w=MQ==

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And now this....

http://www.denverpost.com/commented/...commented-news

Supporters of Hillary Rodham Clinton furiously circulated petitions on the floor of the Democratic National Convention last night, hoping to stave off a plan to hold the convention's roll call at breakfast Wednesday — out of the public eye — sources inside the delegations said.

The move being worked out between the Obama campaign and officials behind Clinton's suspended bid, would work in two parts: Delegates would cast votes at their hotels Wednesday morning; that night, at the Pepsi Center convention site, the roll-call process would rely on the votes cast that morning, the delegates said.

Colorado Rep. Diana DeGette, a former state co-chair for Clinton said she knows the camps are in negotiations about what to do.

"My view is we need to come together as a party," DeGette said. "I admire Hillary Clinton greatly, but I think it would be divisive to have a vote on the floor. We need to have a unanimous vote."

The evening event would call on the delegation from Illinois, which Obama serves as the junior senator, and then move to New York, which Clinton represents.

After New York delegates applaud Clinton's long-fought and historic candidacy, a motion would be made to accept the votes cast at breakfast.

The move is being resisted by some Clinton delegates, who are busy tonight circulating a petition among delegates as the opening night of the convention, titled "One Nation," gets underway.

"We just want a roll call like you're supposed to have," said one of the delegates collecting signatures for the petition, who asked not to be named because of concern about friction within the party.

The Obama campaign denied that there would be a change.

"This is not true," Jennifer Backus, a senior advisor, said in an email in response to a question about the negotiations for the roll call change.

David Harper of Macon County, Tenn., signed a petition to ensure a floor vote in the hall surrounding the Pepsi Center.

"I came out here by God to vote for her, and I'm going to do it," Harper said, visibly angry about the news.

Kelly Jacobs a die-hard Clinton supporter from Hernando, Miss., an area that went heavily for Clinton, stood in the hall collecting signatures. She said the Clinton backers need 800 to secure a floor vote.

Anything less than that, Jacobs said, would be an insult to her candidate.

"I could have voted from home," Jacobs said. "She is our captain. We don't want to see her disrespected."

She was furious, she said, when she learned this morning that the votes may be held at the delegate hotels instead of on the convention hall floor.

"That's not what we learned in civics class," Jacobs said.

Texas delegate Tory Lauterbach said she has heard about the petition, but is unsure if she will sign it.

"I think the votes should be cast and counted the way they have been historically," she said. "But I don't think every delegate needs to stand and say something. I want a good convention."

So does Sally Phillips of Tampa, Fla. She said that although she is a Clinton supporter, she will undoubtedly support Obama because she doesn't want another Republican in the White House.

"I think the world of her," Phillips said. "I've seen the petition but I'm not going to focus on that."

The discussions come after a long summer in which Clinton delegates have argued for a chance to be heard during the convention. The party wants unity, and the announcement made by Obama and Clinton last week that a floor vote would occur was meant to provide that opportunity.

Denver Post Staff Writer Jessica Fender contributed to this report.

Kind of messy.

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[DirkFTW]

Figured I'd put the tit-for-tat in the same thread.

Bill Clinton in Denver again undercuts Obama

DENVER — Bill Clinton appeared to undermine Sen. Barack Obama again Tuesday.

The former president, speaking in Denver, posed a hypothetical question in which he seemed to suggest that that the Democratic Party was making a mistake in choosing Obama as its presidential nominee.

He said: "Suppose you're a voter, and you've got candidate X and candidate Y. Candidate X agrees with you on everything, but you don't think that candidate can deliver on anything at all. Candidate Y you agree with on about half the issues, but he can deliver. Which candidate are you going to vote for?"

Then, perhaps mindful of how his off-the-cuff remarks might be taken, Clinton added after a pause: "This has nothing to do with what's going on now."

The comments are unlikely to be taken as an innocent mistake by those Democrats who continue to be angry with the former president for, they say, not supporting the Illinois senator wholeheartedly, if not implicitly undercutting him.

The controversial comments came just hours before Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.), the former first lady and principal rival to Obama, was due to speak from the convention podium.

Democrats concerned about what the former president might say when he addresses the Democratic convention Wednesday night would likely have cringed at his remarks Tuesday to a group of foreign dignitaries.

The former president talked about the importance of a politician being able to deliver on his promises following an electoral victory and how voters factor in that ability to deliver when picking their candidate.

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Doesn't she look just lovely?

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Originally Posted by DirkFTW

He said: "Suppose you're a voter, and you've got candidate X and candidate Y. Candidate X agrees with you on everything, but you don't think that candidate can deliver on anything at all. Candidate Y you agree with on about half the issues, but he can deliver. Which candidate are you going to vote for?"

Sounds like he's telling everyone that Obama can't deliver, and they should vote for McCain... Or perhaps he's saying to vote for Hillary and oust Obama at the convention...

[wmbwinn]

Quote:
Originally Posted by DirkFTW
He said: "Suppose you're a voter, and you've got candidate X and candidate Y. Candidate X agrees with you on everything, but you don't think that candidate can deliver on anything at all. Candidate Y you agree with on about half the issues, but he can deliver. Which candidate are you going to vote for?"

Jefelump:
Sounds like he's telling everyone that Obama can't deliver, and they should vote for McCain... Or perhaps he's saying to vote for Hillary and oust Obama at the convention...

wmbwinn:
Nope. He is saying, "look you idiots, you picked the guy who says all the things you want him to say and he can't win and he can't deliver. You guys are idiots."