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aexchange · 01-25-2006, 08:52 PM

Keith Van Horn
Mbenga

for

PJ Brown
Speedy Claxton

We take on Brown's bad contract. Get a quality backup for Dirk and pick up a potential replacement for Terry if we decide to flip him. We also get a PG who is an additional defender at the PG spot who can keep up with tony parker and is capable of playing the drive and kick mavs offense.

it may take a draft pick or some money to make this work. thoughts?

seelenjaeger · 01-25-2006, 09:10 PM

Interesting, though I actually would like to resign Keith as our PF backup.

How about ...

Dallas Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Erick Dampier
6-11 C from Mississippi State
5.6 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 0.7 apg in 24.4 minutes
Keith Van Horn
6-10 SF from Utah
9.7 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 0.7 apg in 22.2 minutes
Incoming
Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
12.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.7 apg in 28.3 minutes
Raef LaFrentz
6-11 C from Kansas
7.8 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 0.9 apg in 23.3 minutes
Tyson Chandler
7-1 C from Dominguez (HS)
4.7 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 1.0 apg in 24.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: +9.7 ppg, +3.9 rpg, and +2.2 apg.

Boston Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Brian Scalabrine
6-9 PF from USC
1.9 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.3 apg in 9.9 minutes
Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
12.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.7 apg in 28.3 minutes
Raef LaFrentz
6-11 C from Kansas
7.8 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 0.9 apg in 23.3 minutes
Paul Pierce
6-6 SG from Kansas
25.6 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 4.6 apg in 38.8 minutes
Incoming
Keith Van Horn
6-10 SF from Utah
9.7 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 0.7 apg in 22.2 minutes
Othella Harrington
6-9 PF from Georgetown
5.7 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 12.3 minutes
Tim Thomas
6-10 SF from Villanova
4.3 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 10.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: -28.1 ppg, -8.7 rpg, and -5.6 apg.

Chicago Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Othella Harrington
6-9 PF from Georgetown
5.7 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 12.3 minutes
Tyson Chandler
7-1 C from Dominguez (HS)
4.7 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 1.0 apg in 24.6 minutes
Tim Thomas
6-10 SF from Villanova
4.3 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 10.3 minutes
Incoming
Erick Dampier
6-11 C from Mississippi State
5.6 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 0.7 apg in 24.4 minutes
Brian Scalabrine
6-9 PF from USC
1.9 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.3 apg in 9.9 minutes
Paul Pierce
6-6 SG from Kansas
25.6 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 4.6 apg in 38.8 minutes
Change in team outlook: +18.4 ppg, +4.8 rpg, and +3.4 apg.

Along with some Picks and Cash to Boston (Dallas + Chicago First Rounder + 3 mill $ to Boston, Chic 2nd Rounder to Dallas or alike). With Blounts Trade Value he could be shipped along either instantly or in the off season.

Boston clears pretty much all of his cap space, gets some picks in return, and can finally start some rebuilding.

snoop · 01-26-2006, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by aexchange

Keith Van Horn
Mbenga

for

PJ Brown
Speedy Claxton

We take on Brown's bad contract. Get a quality backup for Dirk and pick up a potential replacement for Terry if we decide to flip him. We also get a PG who is an additional defender at the PG spot who can keep up with tony parker and is capable of playing the drive and kick mavs offense.

it may take a draft pick or some money to make this work. thoughts?

I like it could happen,the hornets need scoring punch

MFFL · 01-26-2006, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aexchange

Keith Van Horn
Mbenga

for

PJ Brown
Speedy Claxton

We take on Brown's bad contract. Get a quality backup for Dirk and pick up a potential replacement for Terry if we decide to flip him. We also get a PG who is an additional defender at the PG spot who can keep up with tony parker and is capable of playing the drive and kick mavs offense.

it may take a draft pick or some money to make this work. thoughts?

I have thought Brown was the missing piece of the puzzle for some time now. We don't need Dirk-lite (KVH) on the floor when Dirk is out. We need a change of pace guy. And Brown will also play some center for us.

But the trade would revolve around money if it was made. We would have to hope that the owner of their team would make a move based more on money than talent. He HAS done it before so there is hope.

u2sarajevo · 01-26-2006, 07:20 AM

I like the trade..... how many years remaining on Speedy's contract?

aexchange · 01-26-2006, 07:34 AM

i believe speedy is a FA after this season. i think this trade is really just loading up for the stretch run for the mavs. its pretty obvious we won't be able to get a true lockdown defender on the perimeter, so the mavs need to try to shore up any additional outlier spots like the 1 or 4/5.

dalmations202 · 01-26-2006, 07:46 AM

I don't see any way Mark blows the cap relief he currently has coming off the books. Not without an All-Pro type player in return.

atrewsfan · 01-26-2006, 08:52 AM

If Claxton is good, why has he been on 4 teams in 5 years?

snoop · 01-26-2006, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by atrewsfan

If Claxton is good, why has he been on 4 teams in 5 years?

why has KVH?

atrewsfan · 01-27-2006, 08:42 AM

Could it be because like Claxton, KVH is overrated and not starting material?

alby · 01-27-2006, 08:55 AM

how many teams did mvp-candidate chauncey billups play for? =]

atrewsfan · 01-27-2006, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by alby

how many teams did mvp-candidate chauncey billups play for? =]

Ouch, touche

. That toasts my argument to a nice black and crispy unidentifiable piece of dark ashy matter...

I should add though that KVH has been on so many teams because like Claxton, he's one-dimensional and not starting material. He can't defend, rebound, or block shots, and he's a mediocre passer (which on the other hand admittedly isn't that important a trait for a PF to have). Basically, KVH is an older Kyle Korver. Claxton is a decent defender but he can't shoot (he currently has a shooting percentage of less than 41% and is shooting only 27% from the three-point line) and is a mediocre ball-handler (his turnovers-per-48-minutes figure and turnover-to-assist ratio are among the worst among NBA PG's). I'm not hating on him. I just think he'd be redundant because the PG's we have on our roster are more talented than he is. Besides, if we added Claxton, we'd have 4 PG's and 7 guards total. I guess we could release Armstrong and/or Marshall, but Claxton would then only move up to 3rd PG and probably wouldn't be happy and productive with the miniscule amount of minutes he'd get. I dunno, I guess he'd be one of the better 3rd PG's in the league...

snoop · 01-27-2006, 08:48 PM

the birdman ban could help this deal gothrough to get the hornets 2 bigs

MFFL · 01-28-2006, 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snoop

the birdman ban could help this deal gothrough to get the hornets 2 bigs

The Anderson ban GUARANTEES this trade will never happen. The Hornets are too short handed in the front court now.

dalmations202 · 01-28-2006, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MFFL

The Anderson ban GUARANTEES this trade will never happen. The Hornets are too short handed in the front court now.

Huh? PJ and Claxton for two frontcourt players in Benga and KVH.

From a Dallas perspective, I wouldn't do it unless Terry or Harris were out an extended time, but from a NO perspective, they get two frontcourt players for this year, cap relief (they don't really need), and playing time for a young athletic C they badly need.

aexchange · 01-28-2006, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalmations202

Huh? PJ and Claxton for two frontcourt players in Benga and KVH.

From a Dallas perspective, I wouldn't do it unless Terry or Harris were out an extended time, but from a NO perspective, they get two frontcourt players for this year, cap relief (they don't really need), and playing time for a young athletic C they badly need.

i set up this potential trade in anticipation that they would turn and flip terry during some later stage. you shift harris into the starting lineup and claxton becomes your primary backup. if you keep terry, claxton is a FA after this season, and you have some options.

MFFL · 01-28-2006, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalmations202

Huh? PJ and Claxton for two frontcourt players in Benga and KVH.

From a Dallas perspective, I wouldn't do it unless Terry or Harris were out an extended time, but from a NO perspective, they get two frontcourt players for this year, cap relief (they don't really need), and playing time for a young athletic C they badly need.

Benga MIGHT be ready for prime time but its a guess. He certainly couldn't fill PJ's minutes. KVH - well, I didn't even consider him getting much PT at all. Why bother playing a guy that is only going to be on the roster for a couple months?

Anderson getting increased minutes and Benga filling the gaps was the rebuilding plan that I envisoned for the Hornets. Plus since the Hornets get salary relief for Anderson, they don't need to slash payroll as much anymore.

snoop · 01-28-2006, 12:12 PM

your still getting two frontcourt players for 1 big and 1 small, and KVH is really what they need, a offensive minded player. The hornets are in the playoff hunt if they can get some more fire power.

sike · 01-28-2006, 12:27 PM

every good thought aex....don't know if I'd pull the trigger with the way this team is rolling now....but I would have done it at the beginning of the season in a heartbeat!

dalmations202 · 01-28-2006, 01:46 PM

Is PJ and Claxton enough of an increase on defense to overcome the need for KVH against teams like Phoenix and SA.

KVH matches up well with KThomas and RHorry, IMO.

jayC · 02-02-2006, 12:54 PM

Chris Andersen has to be one of the most overrated players in the history of the league. He can make fantastic athletic plays, but usually he only plays 10-15 minutes a game. Anyway the idiot blew a good thing.

The Hornets might actually make the playoffs. Do the mavs really want to trade Van Horn for PJ Brown. If Damp doesn't pick up stupid early fouls he is really effective. The mavs were lost last year when they couldn't go to a center or frontcourt player against the Suns. No one matches up well with Amare defensively, but offensively is where you have to kill him. In this case the best defense might be a good offense. I say no to a PJ Brown deal.

nowitzki_prophecy · 02-04-2006, 02:55 PM

Raef lafrentz??some people never learn...
I'm not sure why everybody are so eager to replace KVH,he's a great back-up for Dirk.
A good offensive PF who can keep the offensive game flow going when Dirk is resting...
I think he'll even sign for the MLE,so where's the problem?