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nikeball · 11-03-2008, 02:53 PM

I just heard that our best defensive back Chykie Brown wasn't hurt. I thought he was hurt in the Mizzou game but apparently he was 100% and ready to go. Apparently he was not being a model student-athlete and was held out of the game except for the drive Beasley got dinged up on. LonghornDub..can you confirm that? In a way I applaud Mack for keeping him out of the game if he has been skipping classes or terrible grades..but why didn't you suspend him for Baylor and not Tech

. But..do we know of any other top-tier coaches that would've done that based on his principles? Go Mack Brown!

LonghornDub · 11-03-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

If Tech loses to OU or OSU, I completely expect them to drop below Texas... But, I do think it would be better for UT if Tech loses to OSU but beats OU.

Actually, the absolute best situation would be if Tech loses to both OSU and OU, and then OU loses to OSU in Stillwater.

Murphy3 · 11-03-2008, 04:25 PM

Yeah...that would be a good situation... and realistic. Basically, it's probably a good situation for UT as long as Tech loses one game..regardless of who it's to. I don't want voters to have to decide between UT and OU. I think UT would get the odd if they both have 1 loss..but, it'd be pretty dang close.

LonghornDub · 11-03-2008, 04:44 PM

It all starts with this Saturday. If OSU wins, UT is in great shape. If Tech wins, things will be much tougher.

Murphy3 · 11-03-2008, 04:52 PM

Yep, things will be tougher. But, I still think a 1 loss UT team trumps anyone else in the Big 12 with a loss. But, we'll see.

LonghornDub · 11-03-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

Yep, things will be tougher. But, I still think a 1 loss UT team trumps anyone else in the Big 12 with a loss. But, we'll see.

It will be razor close between UT and OU. You'd have to hope UT would get the edge considering that we beat them, but it's hard to say.

That's why I prefer my scenario where OU just goes ahead and loses the Bedlam game.

BGMaverick9 · 11-03-2008, 05:54 PM

I think Tech can outlast OSU, that's really what it'll come down to. The next game in Norman thought will be much tougher to gage for Tech.

LonghornDub · 11-03-2008, 06:18 PM

I'd be wary of OSU, BG. They are extremely good at the one sure-fire way to give Tech problems: run the ball consistently. They also have a more physical defense than Texas, at least in the secondary. I would not at all be surprised to see Kendall Hunter with 150+ rushing yards next week and Robinson with another 50+. They also just played a cakewalk game, so they will be a lot more rested and fresh than TExas was.

I also am quite sure there's no way Tech can come out with as much energy next week as they did this week. And that doesn't just apply to the team; that goes for the fans and Lubbock in general as well. I know that's exactly what happened in Austin when we faced Mizzou and OSU back-to-back. The energy level for OSU sucked.

I've got a lot of respect for Tech's team after this Saturday, but this will be a very tough game for the Raiders.

BGMaverick9 · 11-03-2008, 06:29 PM

Oh, I know OSU is tough, they played Texas very hard on the road...that definitely caught my eye. I think they will just barely do enough to hold on to the win vs OSU, just like Texas did. They'll be a little flat from the emotional victory but I think they'll do a good job to stress the importance of not letting the Texas victory be all for nothing. Harrell was already talking about less than 30 minutes after the game...so as long as that stays as a point of emphasis, I think they can squeak out the win. It'll really be a case of just doing enough to get the victory and that'll really make the game in Norman very questionable.

I don't expect the fans to be as amped as they were, but they'll still be up for the game. What else is there really to do, sports/entertainment wise in Lubbock

(drink and go to school)...they'll be up for it.

I think Tech will try to do whatever they can to show that it wasn't a fluke win. If that means playing the same style, with the safeties and doing their best to stop the run...they'll try. I think they need to come out early and score quickly, just get the lead in general. They really can't afford to sputter out of the gates.

They clearly did their homework on Texas, I expect the same for OSU...just enough.

LonghornDub · 11-03-2008, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Oh, I know OSU is tough, they played Texas very hard on the road...that definitely caught my eye. I think they will just barely do enough to hold on to the win vs OSU, just like Texas did. They'll be a little flat from the emotional victory but I think they'll do a good job to stress the importance of not letting the Texas victory be all for nothing. Harrell was already talking about less than 30 minutes after the game...so as long as that stays as a point of emphasis, I think they can squeak out the win. It'll really be a case of just doing enough to get the victory and that'll really make the game in Norman very questionable.

I don't expect the fans to be as amped as they were, but they'll still be up for the game. What else is there really to do, sports/entertainment wise in Lubbock

(drink and go to school)...they'll be up for it.

I think Tech will try to do whatever they can to show that it wasn't a fluke win. If that means playing the same style, with the safeties and doing their best to stop the run...they'll try. I think they need to come out early and score quickly, just get the lead in general. They really can't afford to sputter out of the gates.

They clearly did their homework on Texas, I expect the same for OSU...just enough.

It would absolutely behoove Tech to grab an early lead. If you can turn OSU into a one-dimensional passing team, you can beat them. As long as they can stay balanced, though, it'll be tough. Texas is a very one dimensional offensive team. Tech keyed on that and managed to get great pressure on Colt. It won't be so easy if OSU is able to run the ball. They certainly ran all over us...

It really could go either way. Unfortunately (since I like you), I'm sorry to say that I'm going to have to root against your boys this weekend.

BGMaverick9 · 11-03-2008, 07:22 PM

Haha, it's all good! I know you and we're cool.

That was one major key for me to see Tech have a successful game: get the lead early. Even if it was 2-0 then 5-0...a lead is a lead, you have to change when you're behind vs being ahead. If we can take away half of the offense from a good team, we're better for it. Tech is going to sling it either way, but you're probably in a state of mild to extreme panic when you're losing vs Tech, especially if their defense is better.

Again, I think being at home is key for Tech. I completely forgot that they're off for a week after this game. I think that makes a fairly substantial difference if they can survive this week. I'm sure Texas would've loved a week off inbetween OSU and Tech. You can say, "yeah...we're rolling, let's keep going." The extra week of prep and especially healing injuries after a major run of tough opponents always helps.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 11-03-2008, 09:48 PM

Tech is average 47 points per game while OSU is average 45 points per game. This could get crazy.

ocelot_ark · 11-03-2008, 10:03 PM

Tech/OSU should be hella fun to watch.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 11-04-2008, 12:40 AM

Watch the final score be 13-6.

Flacolaco · 11-09-2008, 01:14 AM

That Tech offense sure is fun to watch. 3rd and whatever seems to be a pretty automatic situation for them. Every time I flipped back to ABC tonight it was Touch Down Tech.

chumdawg · 11-09-2008, 01:21 AM

Their receivers have velcro hands.

Flacolaco · 11-09-2008, 01:35 AM

Oh wow. I just saw the Alabama/LSU highlights.

So who's better? Alabama for barely beating the 16th ranked team, or Tech for thumping the #9 ranked team?

Alabama for sure. It's the SEC. Enough said.

mavspwnage · 11-09-2008, 01:54 AM

the BCS is praying Tech and Alabama keep on winning. All hell is going to break loose if Missouri wins the Big 12 title game.

LonghornDub · 11-09-2008, 02:11 AM

Tech is legit. I can't believe I"m saying that, because I never thought it'd happen, but they are very, very good. This is the first year they've had guys on the line of scrimmage who can really dominate, and having a 3rd year starter at QB really helps too.

I have no idea if they'll beat OU in Norman in 2 weeks, but they absolutely could. That offense is unstoppable, and OU will be minus their best pass rusher.

mavspwnage · 11-09-2008, 02:22 AM

This is going to be a long post, FYI. Just warning anyone that may not want to bother starting if it's too long. lol But it's about the current BCS title picture.

First off, congrats to Texas Tech on absolutely destroying Okie Lite. That was a butt whooping of massive proportions, and frankly, I think Tech and Bama should switch rankings, even though it probably won't happen. With Penn State's loss, it looks like the BCS title game will be SEC vs Big 12. That's the easy part. The tough part is determining which two teams.

I'll start with the SEC, because that is much easier to sort out. The SEC championship game will be Alabama vs Florida. Now, just to make things even easier, all my scenarios are running under the assumption that all the teams in question win the games against the lesser teams that I don't talk about. I'm not saying Florida and Alabama or the teams in the Big 12 will all win out against the other teams, but I'm going to say so just for this thread. The winner of this game should make the BCS title game. That takes care of part #1.

Now for the hard part: the Big 12. First off, if Tech beats Oklahoma in two weeks, the race is pretty much done. Tech would be in the Big 12 title game vs Mizzou, barring a disaster against Baylor. But let's say OU wins that game. Then you would have Texas, Oklahoma, and Texas Tech all tied with one loss each. Again, I'm assuming Texas wins out, as per above.

That's only Part A. The week after Tech-OU, you have OU vs OSU. If Oklahoma wins that game, then there is still the three-way tie between one loss teams TT, UT, and OU. They each beat each other, great. So the tiebreaker is the team with the highest BCS ranking. The BCS is all about "what have you done for me lately?" And lately, OU would have beaten both an undefeated Tech team and a solid OSU team. Texas on the other hand, unfortunately had already been a few weeks off the meat of their schedule. IMO, I think OU would be the highest ranked of the three in the BCS.

Now, if OU LOSES to OSU, then that puts OU and OSU at two losses, and knocks them both out. That leaves Texas and Tech at one loss each. And we know what happened last week. Tech wins that scenario. Any which way you look at it, I think Texas' chances are bleak.

This is also running under another assumption: that the Big 12 South winner will beat Missouri in the conference champ game. I don't even want to begin to think of what will happen if Mizzou wins that game. I'll tell you what WILL happen: chaos. That would remind everyone of 2003, when an undefeated Oklahoma team got destroyed by Kansas St. in the Big 12 title game, yet still went to the BCS title game vs LSU. That was all kinds of fucked up. The BCS has to be praying that Tech and Alabama keep on winning.

As for my prediction of what it will be...I think Florida won't stumble again. They are too good, and Alabama might be showing some signs of slowing down. I think Florida will win out and beat Bama in the SEC title game. I also think OU is getting hot, and will win out to play Florida in the BCS title game.

chumdawg · 11-09-2008, 02:23 AM

Please. OU will be lucky to stay within three scores.

LonghornDub · 11-09-2008, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Please. OU will be lucky to stay within three scores.

OU is 59-2 in Norman since Stoops got there. They lost to OSU there in 2001, and to TCU in 2005 (a year in which OU was, to be frank, a bad team). That's it.

Tech could win, but I certainly wouldn't bet on OU getting blown out.

BGMaverick9 · 11-09-2008, 03:09 AM

Tech is going to win in Norman. I didn't get to watch the game tonight, only saw the first bit, going to tomorrow but I was glad to see they didn't get phased after the sputtering first drive. I think playing on the road will make a big difference but the bye week is big in their favor. That offense is just firing on all cylinders and the defense is locked in as well. I really want to say Tech can win big b/c they really haven't shown me a reason why they won't but I'm giving OU the respect they deserve, but I think Tech wins by around 13, 14 points.

They won't rest during the week, still a regular dose of practices starting Sunday Night. It'll help getting the guys some time to heal and a LOT of time to zone in on OU's schemes. OU has the week off as well but I just can't see how you can stop Tech's offense right now. Tech has done a very impressive job stopping some high powered offenses in the past few weeks and OU is just another test. I'm not really sure it's the biggest test with the matchup, other than being on the road.

Texas got a major gift today with Penn State losing, I really didn't see that one coming. The tiebreaker for the Big XII is really your BCS ranking? Interesting...

nikeball · 11-09-2008, 03:17 AM

Say TTU or OU wins out and Texas wins out.

Three teams with 1 loss. Or 2 Teams with 1 loss.

Either way I see Texas being the #2 team in that trio.

Then Tech/OU loses in KC against Mizzou in the BIG 12 championship (Mizzou will have homefield advantage). That would drop them from the national championship picture..v ALA/FLA.

Then we backdoor our way into the MNC. siiiiiiiiiick. I am going to be a big Chase Daniels fan soon.

mavspwnage · 11-09-2008, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by nikeball

Say TTU or OU wins out and Texas wins out.

Three teams with 1 loss. Or 2 Teams with 1 loss.

Either way I see Texas being the #2 team in that trio.

Then Tech/OU loses in KC against Mizzou in the BIG 12 championship (Mizzou will have homefield advantage). That would drop them from the national championship picture..v ALA/FLA.

Then we backdoor our way into the MNC. siiiiiiiiiick. I am going to be a big Chase Daniels fan soon.

You would think so, but not necessarily, especially if Tech's only loss is the Big 12 championship game. Like I said, the same thing happened in 2003 when Oklahoma entered the Big 12 title game 12-0 (Tech would be 12-0 in the game this year) and lost 35-7 to Kansas State, whose record was 10-3 (6-2 in the Big 12), which is similar to the 10-2 and 6-2 records Missouri could have going into that game. There was a big hooplah five years ago and there could be one this year. BCS haters who aren't fans of the Big 12 are gonna hope Mizzou can cause chaos.

BGMaverick9 · 11-09-2008, 03:33 AM

It would definitely take a homefield advantage to give Mizzou a chance, since they struggled vs OSU and got slaughtered by Texas. If it's Tech and Mizzou, then yeah...they really need something big because Tech would be rolling off a TON of momentum.

I agree Texas will be #2 in either situation you look at with those 3 teams.

chumdawg · 11-09-2008, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

OU is 59-2 in Norman since Stoops got there. They lost to OSU there in 2001, and to TCU in 2005 (a year in which OU was, to be frank, a bad team). That's it.

Tech could win, but I certainly wouldn't bet on OU getting blown out.

OU hasn't faced a team as potent as this Red Raiders bunch. It's easy to roll up 59-2 on patsies!

LonghornDub · 11-09-2008, 12:58 PM

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OU hasn't faced a team as potent as this Red Raiders bunch. It's easy to roll up 59-2 on patsies!

They've faced more than a few non-patsies over the course of 8 years.

And no, it's really not easy. UT has 6 losses at home in that same amount of time. Florida lost at home to a patsy this season. USC lost to a terrible Stanford team at home last season. I don't care who you're playing, 59-2 is ridiculous.

You're definitely right that this is the best team they will have played at home, which is why I said Tech could win. But you're gonna predict a blowout loss for a team who've lost 2 games there in 8 years, by a combined total of 10 points? That's pretty bold. But, I'll certainly give you your due if you're correct...

chumdawg · 11-09-2008, 09:17 PM

Why are you trying to curb my enthusiasm?

LonghornDub · 11-09-2008, 10:04 PM

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Why are you trying to curb my enthusiasm?

My bad.

BGMaverick9 · 11-09-2008, 10:06 PM

Texas is praying for OU to stomp Tech...it's going to be a long two weeks.

LonghornDub · 11-09-2008, 10:12 PM

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Texas is praying for OU to stomp Tech...it's going to be a long two weeks.

Actually, we're praying for OU to beat Tech by 1 point on a last second field goal, and to look terrible in doing it. Texas needs a three way tie with OU and Tech, but we don't need OU to win by so much that they get a big boost in the polls.

Probably won't happen, though. I think I'd put my money on a close Tech win (right now at least--I may change my mind).

mavspwnage · 11-10-2008, 12:38 AM

Texas needs Baylor to beat Tech after Tech loses to OU.

Murphy3 · 11-10-2008, 09:19 AM

There's no telling what happens if there's a three way tie. Personally, I think Tech ends up 3rd if there's a three way tie. OU will get a boost by having two late season big wins (if they win)....but OSU will have 3 losses if OU beats them, so perhaps that takes away from it just a bit.

It'll be interesting.

LonghornDub · 11-10-2008, 12:04 PM

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There's no telling what happens if there's a three way tie. Personally, I think Tech ends up 3rd if there's a three way tie. OU will get a boost by having two late season big wins (if they win)....but OSU will have 3 losses if OU beats them, so perhaps that takes away from it just a bit.

It'll be interesting.

Tech will absolutely end up 3rd. It's going to end up razor thin between UT and OU, though.

Murphy3 · 11-10-2008, 01:02 PM

I suppose it might have helped UT to have TCU choke in the Utah game..

LonghornDub · 11-10-2008, 02:32 PM

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I suppose it might have helped UT to have TCU choke in the Utah game..

Definitely. UT also needs Utah to go ahead and win out, because Utah is currently providing a buffer between UT and OU in the computer rankings.

Kirobaito · 11-15-2008, 08:02 PM

Doop doop, sic 'em Bears.

LonghornDub · 11-15-2008, 09:14 PM

A&M is such a joke. I can't believe the Bears fans rushed the field, though. Rushing the field was appropriate when Baylor beat A&M back in 2004. This time, not so much.

Kirobaito · 11-16-2008, 12:17 PM

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A&M is such a joke. I can't believe the Bears fans rushed the field, though. Rushing the field was appropriate when Baylor beat A&M back in 2004. This time, not so much.

It's a rivalry game that we always lose, so I'm sure it was a big deal to the people that were there (I was not, as I am not in the country).

Now we can hope that Bobby Griffin gets another hundred yards on the ground next week to go over 1,000. I smell a Freshman All-America. I don't know why ESPN has not included his Big-XII record game in terms of ypc against Washington State. They say he did not play or accumulate any stats when he ran for 200+ yards and 2 scores.

Also, while yes, A&M is bad, I don't think losing to Baylor is that bad of a thing now. We have a superb freshman quarterback who will only get better, maybe the best linebacker in the conference (Joe Pawelek), and we're only losing Jason Smith and Dwain Crawford for next year. We came within a field goal of Missouri, almost beat Nebraska, and competed well for close to a half against Texas (which is more than what we can usually say, last year notwithstanding). A few breaks and we win 4 Big XII games and go to a bowl. We're honestly not *that* bad. Having to play in the Big XII kinda hurts your pride, is all.