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Old 10-09-2010, 12:07 PM   #281
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You all are just racist bigots. You should be ashamed.

This really is a socialists/statists wet-dream. You take over (1/6th??) of the countries output and then you spend the rest of the time giving political favors out as exemptions to the laws you've passed. If you are big enough or have enough votes you get access and perks.
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From the latest judgement about obamacare... This sounds sig-worthy.

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At the heart of the states' lawsuit is the individual mandate, which requires everyone to purchase health insurance or be penalized for not doing so. "Never before has Congress required that everyone buy a product from a private company (essentially for life) just for being alive and residing in the United States," Judge Vinson writes.
And James Madison weighs in on it.

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from the decision:

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...there is a long-standing presumption “that officials of the Executive Branch will adhere to the law as declared by the court. As a result, the declaratory judgment is the functional equivalent of an injunction.”
Meaning...there is a federal court decision that the law is unconstitutional...therefore the Obama administration needs to stop what it's doing and seek its remedies in the legal system.

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...White House officials said that the ruling would not have an impact on implementation of the law, which is being phased in gradually. (The individual mandate, for example, does not begin until 2014.) They said that states cannot use the ruling as a basis to delay implementation...
I'm going to very charitably assume that the White House is saying this because they expect to have filed their appeals, and they reasonably expect the courts to go along with them, by 2014....

Certainly that is the case because otherwise Obamanation is acting in an exceedingly seditious manner.

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addendum....on further review, maybe the Obamas are acting quite seditiously now by acting to implement a statute which is, by the law of the land, unconstitutional....

....granted that may change as the issue goes up the ladder, but as far as anyone knows right now it is unconstitutional. Yet Obama, who is sworn to protect and defend the constitution, has said 'the hell with federal court rulings and the seperation of powers and all that', we're moving forward.

....oh, let's not go there. That'd be far too uncomfortable.
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Old 04-30-2011, 02:21 PM   #284
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A beautiful chart on what happens to medical procedures when customers actually have to pay for them versus insurance companies, government paying for them. The posted article just shows how clueless obama's econmic policies are. Heaven help us.


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I say we get all of us who post on DM.com together in a room, give us 72 hours to hash out a plan, and I am willing to bet, we would have as close to the best plan as anyone in office, in the medical industry or in the private sector.
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I say we get all of us who post on DM.com together in a room, give us 72 hours to hash out a plan, and I am willing to bet, we would have as close to the best plan as anyone in office, in the medical industry or in the private sector.
Just like we could coach our Mavs better than Carlisle
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Just like we could coach our Mavs better than Carlisle
Comparing Carlisle to Barry is an insult to rick.
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The philosopher Joseph de Maistre once said: "Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite." Meaning: Every nation gets the government it deserves.

When I see clips of the recent Republican debates, I can't help but think: How could this happen? And still, these are the people trying to run for the most prominent office in the world, supported by a considerable amount of people. The same impression could probably be applied to Democrats as well. Or German politicians, to not come across as a foreign know-it-all.
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Anyone willing to put themselves through the media crucible would seem to have some possibly serious personality issues.
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A single-payer-universal-health-care plan for an entire population can be financed from a pool to which many parSingle-payer systems may contract for healthcare services from private organizations (as is the case in Canada) or may own and employ healthcare resources and personnel (as is the case in the UK). The term "single-payer" thus only describes the funding mechanism—referring to health care financed by a single public body from a single fund—and does not specify the type of delivery, or for whom doctors work.ties—employees, employers, and the state—have contributed.
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We are the only industrialized country without some version of universal health-care. In my opinion, health-care should be a right in this country-the very notion of profitting off of making one whole again is immoral. And the kicker is- all of you against it- probably claim to be Christians- if that's not the ulitmate hypocrisy of all- I don't know what is.
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Cool.. Perry swatted portions out to half court. I've never been a huge Perry fan but.. good job.
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A beautiful chart on what happens to medical procedures when customers actually have to pay for them versus insurance companies, government paying for them. The posted article just shows how clueless obama's econmic policies are. Heaven help us.


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The costs are in rising, because of modern technique, but the main factors are the producers of pharmaceutical and medical products.
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It is amazing that Gingrich and every single conservative in the country couldn't stop creaming over the thought of the individual mandate in the 90's. Now that a Democrat proposed the exact same thing it is communism. Just shows how hypocritical conservatives are.

Here is another interesting chart on health care spending per capita:

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It is amazing that Gingrich and every single conservative in the country couldn't stop creaming over the thought of the individual mandate in the 90's. Now that a Democrat proposed the exact same thing it is communism. Just shows how hypocritical conservatives are.
So, you think proposing something and passing something is the same thing, huh. So what if they proposed it. They weren't stupid enough to pass it against the will of the American people like the Democrats did this time around. And this time around, they didn't even read the bill before the voted on it. We have to pass it to see whats in it. How stupid is that? I don't know the specifics of what the House in the 1990's had in mind, but being a conservative and being against it, eventually, since it didnt pass in the 90's does not equal hypocrite. But, Im guessing that you will just keep going with that false narrative.

Im also guessing that your President lying to you about Obamacare just doesnt hit your radar screen either. He lies about alot of issues but Im going to keep it within the framework of this thread, which is healthcare.

Obama- Insurers delayed an Illinois man’s treatment, “and he died because of it.”
(Insurer’s decision was reversed and man lived three more years)

Obama- Health reform will “give every American the same opportunity” to buy health insurance the way members of Congress do.

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http://www.atr.org/five-worst-obamac...s-coming-a7217

This doesnt include the fact that tanning salons already are paying extra in taxes as well as we now can no longer use our HSA's to purchase over the counter drugs.

Just a taste of the Obamacare taxes hitting in 2013 if Obama gets a 2nd term and Republicans don't take the Senate.
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So, you think proposing something and passing something is the same thing, huh.
So the mere act of passing something makes it communist? That's is the most brain dead logic I have ever encountered. That is what is called cognitive dissonance.
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http://www.atr.org/five-worst-obamac...s-coming-a7217

This doesnt include the fact that tanning salons already are paying extra in taxes as well as we now can no longer use our HSA's to purchase over the counter drugs.

Just a taste of the Obamacare taxes hitting in 2013 if Obama gets a 2nd term and Republicans don't take the Senate.
Tanning salons... really? LOL! Oh what a terrible burden this is going to be for our nation. People may actually have to use cheesy bronzers! Think about it: a nation of orange hued people! It's a national tragedy! [/sarcasm]

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So the mere act of passing something makes it communist? That's is the most "" logic I have ever encountered. That is what is called cognitive dissonance.
I never called it Communist, those are your accusatory words. Yet once again the lefty cant get his facts straight. I want you to go back and find where i used the Communist word in my logic....you wont find it. no doubt that you have trouble with reading comprehension to even try to understand my logic so I'm guessing you won't retract your ridiculous personal attack on my logic represented by "" above.
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Tanning salons... really? LOL! Oh what a terrible burden this is going to be for our nation. People may actually have to use cheesy bronzers! Think about it: a nation of orange hued people! It's a national tragedy! [/sarcasm]
Is that all you got lefty? Your only retort is to the tanning salon taxes? You dont care that this is a form of higher taxes that will be passed on to the Upper class, middle class on down? If you think that only the upper class goes to a tanning salon that will make it clear you are devoid of any objectivity. Once again you miss the entire point because you are too afraid to address the lies and propaganda by your man BHO and the dem party has been trying to get past the American people over the last 4 years to cover up their incompetence. Those lies and propaganda include, among many others, their claim that there are no taxes in Obamacare as well as their claim they haven't raised taxes on the middle class on down. As a narcisist in chief BHO once again shows he is unwilling to accept the blame for being wrong. Are you honest enough to admit he was wrong here? I doubt it
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Narcissist in chief? C'mon, man. That doesn't pass for good rhetoric.
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Narcissist in chief? C'mon, man. That doesn't pass for good rhetoric.
Well, I don't know of anything that would reflect negatively on him that he has admitted as being wrong. That smacks of narcisism. If I'm missing any examples please let me know.
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Well, I don't know of anything that would reflect negatively on him that he has admitted as being wrong. That smacks of narcisism. If I'm missing any examples please let me know.
The minute he admits to something wrong, the righties would come out screaming about lack of leadership and no balls and apologizing to the rest of the world and all that.

I'm quite sure he knows the score.
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Is that all you got lefty? Your only retort is to the tanning salon taxes? You dont care that this is a form of higher taxes that will be passed on to the Upper class, middle class on down? If you think that only the upper class goes to a tanning salon that will make it clear you are devoid of any objectivity. Once again you miss the entire point because you are too afraid to address the lies and propaganda by your man BHO and the dem party has been trying to get past the American people over the last 4 years to cover up their incompetence. Those lies and propaganda include, among many others, their claim that there are no taxes in Obamacare as well as their claim they haven't raised taxes on the middle class on down. As a narcisist in chief BHO once again shows he is unwilling to accept the blame for being wrong. Are you honest enough to admit he was wrong here? I doubt it
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