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AstroRocket · 05-05-2007, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TripleDipping

You should be well accustomed to this by now, shouldn't you?

Hell no. This was the first time we were favored in a playoff series in ages.

dude1394 · 05-05-2007, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AstroRocket

Well, you guys got some company. Damn the NBA.

Any advice on how to deal with this shit?

Well let's see, taking the advice of this board you should trade yao and t-mac because they can't get it done. So you can get a lot worse with no expectations.

DubOverdose · 05-05-2007, 11:37 PM

Man I gotta say I'm happy. I had the Rox advancing, but I really don't like TMac, so I liked to see him lose yet again.

Dirkadirkastan · 05-05-2007, 11:38 PM

I don't mind the Rockets, but so many of their fans are asses.

DubOverdose · 05-05-2007, 11:44 PM

BTW, the Rockets gotta make some serious changes. Is the TMac - Yao experiment over? Probably not. But, they do have to get a better supporting cast somehow.

TripleDipping · 05-05-2007, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DubOverdose

BTW, the Rockets gotta make some serious changes. Is the TMac - Yao experiment over? Probably not. But, they do have to get a better supporting cast somehow.

I'd say that the JVG experiment might be over.

vjz · 05-05-2007, 11:58 PM

Wow, did anyone else see T-Mac break down & shed tears after a reporter's question? That was sad.

Dirkadirkastan · 05-06-2007, 12:04 AM

It was stupid how the reporters made him say this was the biggest game in his career. He said it wasn't so just leave him alone.

TripleDipping · 05-06-2007, 12:07 AM

The only thing worse about Seger's interviews is his stupid suit.

FINtastic · 05-06-2007, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AstroRocket

Well, you guys got some company. Damn the NBA.

Any advice on how to deal with this shit?

This song gets me through the tough times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91euxMQ0Zyg

FINtastic · 05-06-2007, 12:15 AM

That T-Mac Second Round Virgin picture is gold.

haywoodjay · 05-06-2007, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DubOverdose

BTW, the Rockets gotta make some serious changes. Is the TMac - Yao experiment over? Probably not. But, they do have to get a better supporting cast somehow.

yep.

i dont think you throw the towel on them.... but this team is in desperate need of some athleticism; guys who can create and drive.

thank god for booze and vicodin.

shaw-xx · 05-06-2007, 12:32 AM

Thanks Utah. You cleard my world.

And1 · 05-06-2007, 12:53 AM

This game/series was not lost due to tmac, he got his double-double. They need a penetrating pg that can score and find the open man, true power forward with post skills and consistent 15ft j.shot, deeper bench anchored by a legitimate 3rd scoring option, younger offensive and defensive backup 5, consisten 3pt shooters, and perhaps Rick Adelman or Adelman-like offensive minded coach, with a defensive mindset too.

Wow, that's a lot. No wonder we can't get out of the first round.

kingmalaki · 05-06-2007, 01:15 AM

Man, this loss sucks for us. I feel sorry for T-Mac because he needs more help. Yao is the best center in the league....but that's not saying much. He is what he is...a great scoring option but his lack of speed and athleticism can really be exploited. We need to get a athletic PF this summer....

Management needs to get T-Mac more help.....

Oh, and 29 and 13 in an elimination game isn't choking. 8 pts is. There is a difference between playing well and losing to a better team, and just not showing up against a worse team.

fluid.forty.one · 05-06-2007, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kingmalaki

Man, this loss sucks for us. I feel sorry for T-Mac because he needs more help. Yao is the best center in the league....but that's not saying much. He is what he is...a great scoring option but his lack of speed and athleticism can really be exploited. We need to get a athletic PF this summer....

Management needs to get T-Mac more help.....

Oh, and 29 and 13 in an elimination game isn't choking. 8 pts is. There is a difference between playing well and losing to a better team, and just not showing up against a worse team.

Yeah but it could be argued that dirks playoff record vs tmacs playoff record shows that Tmac is a waaay bigger choker.

DOMINATOR · 05-06-2007, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

Yeah but it could be argued that dirks playoff record vs tmacs playoff record shows that Tmac is a waaay bigger choker.

yes but there is always the rebuttal of T-mac never had the talent around him dirk has had.
this year rafer/hayes arent legitimate starters and no legit 6th man/hell even a bench player.
only 10 points from rockets bench tonight in a combined 45 minutes.

nashtymavsfan13 · 05-06-2007, 03:10 AM

The Rockets had the higher seed and were favored in this series, so losing this series is still bad for them. Yes, this year the Mavs got upset in a bigger fashion. But this is another loss on T-Mac's playoff record, and this time the "they had a better team" excuse can't be used by Houston fans.

blinkMD · 05-06-2007, 06:17 AM

effin rockets. i guess it's not too surprising since, other than yao and tmac, none of the starters or bench would make it as a backup player on the mavericks' squad. maybe battier. what a complete joke. texas was suppose to take home the ship this year.

go spurs?

twelli · 05-06-2007, 06:58 AM

I wouldn't blame the loss in Game 7 on T-Mac. He wasn't spectacular, but he did enough to win. He missed one wide open three where I thought "Now the choking starts" but then he hit some shots and free throws to get his team the lead.

I would rather blame Yao for missing too many short-range jumpers and not getting one of the three defensive rebounds in the final two minutes that really killed the Rockets in the end (he misjudged at least one rebounding ball jumping up too early and allowing Boozer to grab it).

The difference in this game was Boozer. They simply couldn't contain him.

Darth Ape · 05-06-2007, 07:05 AM

I would have liked to see GS vs Houston in the second round. Utah will be fun. I like GS in that series.

I think we're headed towards a GS/Pheonix WC Championship series. Won't that be entertaining?

jthig32 · 05-06-2007, 07:10 AM

I'll take both Utah and San Antonio in 6.

twelli · 05-06-2007, 07:12 AM

I would have liked to see Jazz vs. Mavs...

kingmalaki · 05-06-2007, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by nashtymavsfan13

The Rockets had the higher seed and were favored in this series, so losing this series is still bad for them. Yes, this year the Mavs got upset in a bigger fashion. But this is another loss on T-Mac's playoff record, and this time the "they had a better team" excuse can't be used by Houston fans.

The Jazz did have the better team. The only reason we got homecourt (by 1 game) is because they went on a massive losing spree in the last 2 weeks of the season. They had a better record than us for most of the year and beat us in the last 2 regular season matchups.

We had our two superstars (putting up a combined 50+ points for the series) but they are much deeper than us, and Boozer and AK are stars in their own right.

They still had great chances to win the last two games so the loss is still very dissapointing. But you can't argue that T-Mac has a lot of help. He is in the West with Chuck Hayes and Alston as his starting PF and PG.

Dirkadirkastan · 05-06-2007, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by blinkMD

go spurs?

If only to make Darth Ass STFU.

MFFL · 05-06-2007, 10:33 AM

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If only to make Darth Ass STFU.

Darth is also a fan of Finley so that ain't going to make him shut up.

In fact 3 of the 4 remaining teams have STRONG ties to the Mavs.

Dirkadirkastan · 05-06-2007, 10:49 AM

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Darth is also a fan of Finley so that ain't going to make him shut up.

In fact 3 of the 4 remaining teams have STRONG ties to the Mavs.

He thinks a run and gun team will win the title. The Spurs, Pistons, and maybe Bulls are the only contenders left that can prove him wrong.

EricaLubarsky · 05-06-2007, 11:12 AM

I have to laugh at T-Mac on this one. Poor guy.

some-dude · 05-06-2007, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth Ape

I would have liked to see GS vs Houston in the second round. Utah will be fun. I like GS in that series.

I think we're headed towards a GS/Pheonix WC Championship series. Won't that be entertaining?

Don't get ahead of yourself. I would say Jazz/Spurs come out of these two series with the Spurs then absolutely destroying the Jazz in 5.

some-dude · 05-06-2007, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by nashtymavsfan13

The Rockets had the higher seed and were favored in this series, so losing this series is still bad for them. Yes, this year the Mavs got upset in a bigger fashion. But this is another loss on T-Mac's playoff record, and this time the "they had a better team" excuse can't be used by Houston fans.

Houston has better superstars.
Jazz has the better team.

Superstars will win some individual games.
Teams win series.

big_pth · 05-06-2007, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth Ape

I would have liked to see GS vs Houston in the second round. Utah will be fun. I like GS in that series.

I think we're headed towards a GS/Pheonix WC Championship series. Won't that be entertaining?

The winner would get dropped by Detroit or Chicago...The West winner would spank Cleveland though...Well, unless the ref's give LeBron the Wade treatment...

big_pth · 05-06-2007, 11:46 AM

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Don't get ahead of yourself. I would say Jazz/Spurs come out of these two series with the Spurs then absolutely destroying the Jazz in 5.

The Jazz are going to get killed by the Warriors IF the Warrior's can keep hitting those three's...

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-06-2007, 11:55 AM

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I have to laugh at T-Mac on this one. Poor guy.

Well its like why fire Van Guny when your star said he would be to blame? I thought Mcgrady might retire this summer anyway.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 05-06-2007, 11:58 AM

ESPN is saying that Jeff Van Gundy is done as Rockets coach.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2861976

Larry Brown should step in, he could possibly get them a ring. He does great things with stars he just hates building a team.

BTW Utah vs Golden State bores the hell out of me.

And1 · 05-06-2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by some-dude

Houston has better superstars.
Jazz has the better team.

Superstars will win some individual games.
Teams win series.

thats why the following is important: If you get a legitimate 4 with post skills and 15fter, true pentetrating pg, legit. 3rd scoring 6thman, real bench, offensive minded coach with an eye to defense instead of v/v they will be contenders....even if tmac declines from superstar to really good player...since he will have help and use the team-model as a really good player vs trying to carry the whole team as a superstar.....same goes for Yao...especially if we get a younger offensive minded backup 5.

good luck in your offseason, mavs fans.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si...adys-fault.html

Move over Kobe Bryant, Carmelo Anthony, Dirk Nowitzki and Dwyane Wade. You've got company on the list of NBA top scorers heading home for the postseason.

But while Tracy McGrady might get the lion's share of the blame for his team's Game 7 loss to the Jazz on Saturday night, it really wasn't his fault. T-Mac played well overall, getting his teammates involved early and finishing with 29 points and 13 assists.

McGrady can't solve Houston's lack of athleticism up and down the roster, nor its lack of a quality power forward and point guard.

Juwan Howard and Chuck Hayes are just too slow at the 4 spot to pair with the plodding Yao Ming. Utah's Carlos Boozer went right around Houston's frontcourt all night. He made Howard and Yao look like traffic cones on defense.

At point guard, the situation isn't much better. Rafer Alston did a solid job for the most part during the season and the series. He even hit a three-pointer off glass late in Game 7 to give the Rockets a major boost during their rally.

But if the Rockets hope to contend for an NBA title, they need a bigger, stronger, more complete floor general. As hard as Alston tries, he could not keep Utah's Deron Williams from getting in the paint all series. Plus, he doesn't score enough to take pressure off McGrady and Yao.

Chauncey Billups, Mike Bibby, Jason Kidd, Mo Williams. Any of the four would be a major improvement.

The problem is the Rockets don't have any room under the salary cap to sign Billups or Williams, and they don't have many assets to swing a deal for the other guys.

Houston will likely have to settle for a second-tier guy, like Steve Blake, Luke Ridnour, Jamaal Tinsley or Mike James.

Would a slight improvement at point and power forward be enough to make Houston a legit title contender? Who knows? If rumors are to be believed, coach Jeff Van Gundy might not be back. That means the Rockets might have a whole different look next season anyway.

But the look on McGrady's face after Saturday's loss said it all. The Rockets need to upgrade those positions if they want their superstar to end his streak of first-round playoff ousters any day soon.

Says it all really. His making up for the problems on our rosters. Yet its all his fault to most people. Answered everyones criticisms from game 6. Cut the guy some slacks and look forward to the offseason