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BGMaverick9 · 01-14-2011, 11:46 PM

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You know how you develop projects? You play them! Especially on a depleted team. You think George Hill and Blair got so good by sitting on the bench?

Like I said, it would be a much worse sign if the game played out as it did and Jones didn't get any minutes. It will have to be something that is monitored on a day-to-day basis. Carlisle easily could have rolled Barea out there to finish the game out but he didn't.

CadBane · 01-14-2011, 11:51 PM

Haha, Pop said playing the Mavs without Dirk is "worthless and a waste of time." He said he would have rather "been at home eating dinner." Funny stuff.

CadBane · 01-14-2011, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Like I said, it would be a much worse sign if the game played out as it did and Jones didn't get any minutes. It will have to be something that is monitored on a day-to-day basis. Carlisle easily could have rolled Barea out there to finish the game out but he didn't.

So we should extol him for not being completely stubborn and idiotic and instead of 90% stubborn and idiotic?

fluid.forty.one · 01-14-2011, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

How insightful!

lol..

BGMaverick9 · 01-14-2011, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

So we should extol him for not being completely stubborn and idiotic and instead of 90% stubborn and idiotic?

You can do whatever you want with him, I'm just stating a point. When he came back up from Frisco, he gave him minutes. Recently (I think it was the Orlando game, maybe Oklahoma City), Carlisle gave him minutes again and he wasn't happy with what he saw so he got the quick hook. It's not like Carlisle has totally washed his hands of Jones.

CadBane · 01-15-2011, 12:07 AM

Maybe you can use your superior credentials to ask him why he thinks Ian can't play the 4...

BGMaverick9 · 01-15-2011, 12:10 AM

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Maybe you can use your superior credentials to ask him why he thinks Ian can't play the 4...

Why would it matter? You have already said that you don't read my work. And you're the one that's mocking the work that I do...I haven't done anything but try to give information to people. Anyways, that question has been answered already.

mavs777 · 01-15-2011, 12:24 AM

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Haha, Pop said playing the Mavs without Dirk is "worthless and a waste of time." He said he would have rather "been at home eating dinner." Funny stuff.

link?

JHT · 01-15-2011, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Carlisle easily could have rolled Barea out there to finish the game out but he didn't.

Barea was on the floor with him running point.

The only other options would have been Kidd, Terry, Stevenson... and playing them in garbage time wouldn't make any sense.

I don't think we should take it as a good sign that Carlisle was willing to put Dojo out there in garbage time.

Hopefully though his performance tonight may earn him some more minutes, because the Mavs are pretty desperate.

The best thing about DoJo tonight was that he was effective against the Spurs starters for the couple of minutes he got earlier in the game in addition to being completely dominant against their scrubs.

JHT · 01-15-2011, 12:27 AM

I almost can't be mad at Terry tonight for how terrible he was. The guy was trying like crazy, maybe he was almost trying too hard and that was the problem... but he really had no choice. The Mavs are just a terrible, terrible team without Dirk and he knows it.

I'm really not feeling very good about them even when Dirk comes back at this point.

dude1394 · 01-15-2011, 12:59 AM

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I think it's pretty clear that Terry in particular is affected by the loss of Dirk. Without Dirk, Terry is just terrible.

No excuse for Dojo and Ian not getting more minutes.

Dojo: 13/3/2/2 steals, 0 turnovers, +5 in 13 minutes.

Tell me why he couldn't have gotten some of Terry's minutes?

Ian: 7/4 on 3/4 shooting in 11 minutes.

Why is Lex playing over him? There's absolutely no reason Ian can't play some 4 either.

Don't get carried away...Dojo/Ian were playing against the spurs spares...thinking that would translate against the spurs top 5 is delusional.

dude1394 · 01-15-2011, 01:03 AM

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Sorry, but when you're losing by 20 points in the third quarter, it's garbage time too. And no one did sh** then. Not to mention it's hard to produce in minutes you aren't given. All you can do is produce when you play, and that's what both of them have done.

Ah bullcrap...20 point leads aren't the end of the world in the nba.. good grief...why don't the mavs just forefeit all of the games until dirk gets back instead of trying to win them.

twelli · 01-15-2011, 01:06 AM

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I'm really not feeling very good about them even when Dirk comes back at this point.

Getting Dirk in foul trouble as soon as possible will be the first priority by any team in any game once he gets back, knowing that the rest of the team has lost all confidence in winning a game without him on the floor over the past 9 games. Unless we find a major replacement for Butler before the trade deadline, this year's postseason will end for the Mavs with a quick second-round exit, at best.

dude1394 · 01-15-2011, 01:09 AM

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I'm not doubting it happened. He's a kid, I'm sure he's messed up in practice, and will continue to. I still think he should be getting more minutes. I, and everyone else here, is more than aware of what the coaching opinion obviously is. Doesn't mean I/we agree with it. Just like I don't agree with the idea that Ian can't play the 4.

this is about the first game he looked decent to me, in time when the spurs were playing guys just as bad and as inexperienced as he is, splitter for instance. Even then it showed that he still cannot shoot worth a crap and if duncan had been in there, there would probably be a different outcome of his stuff.

I liked seeing a little teardrop out of him because if he can't learn to make that he probably won't play in this league. Bug good grief, the delusion continues thinking that the kids are going to magically turn anything around. They aren't. They can be useful in stretches with a full team around them, but as soon as dojo is put into the starting lineup...we'll finally see how much of a rookie he is.

But we'll still have folks thinking he should be starting and if he does, make much of a difference.

dude1394 · 01-15-2011, 01:11 AM

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Fine...I'll play along.

At the first practice with Sasha, low-minute guys (Ian, Lex, Jones and now Sasha) worked on offensive plays and practice stopped on multiple occasions due to Jones' mistakes...

BG...how can you think your insight can compare with cadbanes eerie sixth sense. I mean cadbane is obviously sitting in on the coaches meeting when they are evaluating the players. All of the coaches are telling RC that dojo is the greatest thing since sliced bread but he just won't listen.

dude1394 · 01-15-2011, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

You know how you develop projects? You play them! Especially on a depleted team. You think George Hill and Blair got so good by sitting on the bench?

You know how you lose games...you play projects...George Hill and Blair got good by being good... You know if dojo could...like shoot...he might get more minutes. But barrelling into the lane hoping for a college bailout call doesn't cut it in the nba.

dude1394 · 01-15-2011, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Haha, Pop said playing the Mavs without Dirk is "worthless and a waste of time." He said he would have rather "been at home eating dinner." Funny stuff.

Pop is one funny sob...but his commentary on the team should tell cubes quite a bit..

dude1394 · 01-15-2011, 01:17 AM

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Why would it matter? You have already said that you don't read my work. And you're the one that's mocking the work that I do...I haven't done anything but try to give information to people. Anyways, that question has been answered already.

BG...it's really not worth your time to engage with cadbanes rhetoric... As you say he doesn't respect much of anything...you probably shouldn't play along...it kind of sinks you down in his sty.

CadBane · 01-15-2011, 01:22 AM

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You know how you lose games...you play projects...George Hill and Blair got good by being good... You know if dojo could...like shoot...he might get more minutes. But barrelling into the lane hoping for a college bailout call doesn't cut it in the nba.

False.

George Hill's rookie year, he was indeed a project. Guy averaged 6/2/2 on 40/33/78 shooting. Yet he still played 77 games and got 16 minutes a night. Your telling me out of the gates he was a crucial cog in that team? No sir, he was not! But Pop gave him a chance, let him play through mistakes, gave him time consistently which molded him into a crucial cog in that team that whooped our ass last year.

CadBane · 01-15-2011, 01:24 AM

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Ah bullcrap...20 point leads aren't the end of the world in the nba.. good grief...why don't the mavs just forefeit all of the games until dirk gets back instead of trying to win them.

Okay. You think THIS Mavs team is coming back from a 20 point hole at SA? No, THAT is bullcrap.

CadBane · 01-15-2011, 01:25 AM

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this is about the first game he looked decent to me, in time when the spurs were playing guys just as bad and as inexperienced as he is, splitter for instance. Even then it showed that he still cannot shoot worth a crap and if duncan had been in there, there would probably be a different outcome of his stuff.

I liked seeing a little teardrop out of him because if he can't learn to make that he probably won't play in this league. Bug good grief, the delusion continues thinking that the kids are going to magically turn anything around. They aren't. They can be useful in stretches with a full team around them, but as soon as dojo is put into the starting lineup...we'll finally see how much of a rookie he is.

But we'll still have folks thinking he should be starting and if he does, make much of a difference.

NO ONE is asking for Dojo to start. People are just asking for him to get a consistent ten minutes a night on a team with NO SG playing above the D-League level as it is. It's called developing your players.

mavs777 · 01-15-2011, 01:26 AM

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False.

George Hill's rookie year, he was indeed a project. Guy averaged 6/2/2 on 40/33/78 shooting. Yet he still played 77 games and got 16 minutes a night. Your telling me out of the gates he was a crucial cog in that team? No sir, he was not! But Pop gave him a chance, let him play through mistakes, gave him time consistently which molded him into a crucial cog in that team that whooped our ass last year.

Hill had 1 really good skill already, he was extremely quick and had a really good mid range game plus a good finisher, plus is a very good defender.

Dojo doesn't have 1 really good NBA skill yet, his best skill is getting to the rim but that is off set by struggling to finish

CadBane · 01-15-2011, 01:27 AM

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Don't get carried away...Dojo/Ian were playing against the spurs spares...thinking that would translate against the spurs top 5 is delusional.

Ian has already proven on more than one occasion that he can play and produce against starting lineup caliber players. RC's refusal to play him at the 4 at all is flat out stubborn.

CadBane · 01-15-2011, 01:28 AM

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Hill had 1 really good skill already, he was extremely quick and had a really good mid range game plus a good finisher, plus is a very good defender.

Dojo doesn't have 1 really good NBA skill yet, his best skill is getting to the rim but that is off set by struggling to finish

Again, Hill wasn't doing ANY of those things particularly well his rookie year, yet he still got minutes. And DoJo is a good defender.

mavs777 · 01-15-2011, 01:31 AM

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Okay. You think THIS Mavs team is coming back from a 20 point hole at SA? No, THAT is bullcrap.

That doesn't mean crap, if you are going to do that, there is a good chance you will be hurting confidence, to pull anyone out in the third quarter no matter the score shows you don't believe in them

dude1394 · 01-15-2011, 01:31 AM

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False.

George Hill's rookie year, he was indeed a project. Guy averaged 6/2/2 on 40/33/78 shooting. Yet he still played 77 games and got 16 minutes a night. Your telling me out of the gates he was a crucial cog in that team? No sir, he was not! But Pop gave him a chance, let him play through mistakes, gave him time consistently which molded him into a crucial cog in that team that whooped our ass last year.

WRONG again...Just look at what you posted... 40/33/78 shooting versus dojos...
28/0.0/82% shooting... Tell me where exactly this guys' going to help?

Getting to the ft line...bullcrap...not against real competition, we've seen it.

mavs777 · 01-15-2011, 01:32 AM

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Again, Hill wasn't doing ANY of those things particularly well his rookie year, yet he still got minutes. And DoJo is a good defender.

Dojo is a decent defender, and yes Hill was a great defender as a rookie and a good mid range shooter, plus they had no backup point so they were forced to play him the difference is the mavs have 2 guards

dude1394 · 01-15-2011, 01:32 AM

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Okay. You think THIS Mavs team is coming back from a 20 point hole at SA? No, THAT is bullcrap.

so if you were coach..you'd just roll out the white flag as soon as they get down 10 right? What a bunch of bullcrap...you don't have a clue when/if/ever this team might pull one out...if they can get a win, it's a good...

you know they still play to try and win...

dude1394 · 01-15-2011, 01:33 AM

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NO ONE is asking for Dojo to start. People are just asking for him to get a consistent ten minutes a night on a team with NO SG playing above the D-League level as it is. It's called developing your players.

it's not called developing your players, it's called throwing in the towel. It's what you do when you are cleveland.. And just like folks yakking for ajinca to play, he's not very good.

CadBane · 01-15-2011, 01:35 AM

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WRONG again...Just look at what you posted... 40/33/78 shooting versus dojos...
28/0.0/82% shooting... Tell me where exactly this guys' going to help?

Getting to the ft line...bullcrap...not against real competition, we've seen it.

And is DoJo playing 77 games at 16 minutes a game!? Obviously when you only get spot minutes every 6th game, your stats will suck. It's not complicated. The point is Pop let Hill CONSISTENTLY PLAY through his struggles.

dude1394 · 01-15-2011, 01:36 AM

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Ian has already proven on more than one occasion that he can play and produce against starting lineup caliber players. RC's refusal to play him at the 4 at all is flat out stubborn.

Yea.yea.yea...that's why pop let him go, because he couldn't play the 4 with timmah..The dudes a scrub...face it...all of the teams 10th-12th guys are scrubs...They are practice bodies that you hope will grow into something.

Everyone was yakking for ajinca to get in there, he does and sucks...now it's dojo, next ian...and of course ian should be playing the 4 because it hasn't been done yet and everyone is yakking about trying any and everything that hasn't been tried yet because they don't know what they are talking about.

CadBane · 01-15-2011, 01:37 AM

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it's not called developing your players, it's called throwing in the towel. It's what you do when you are cleveland.. And just like folks yakking for ajinca to play, he's not very good.

You sure about that, Chief?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2011010418

"Perhaps looking toward a big one in Boston, Gregg Popovich pulled Tim Duncan(notes), Manu Ginobili(notes) and Tony Parker(notes) with more than three minutes on the clock and a manageable margin on the scoreboard."

“They were more aggressive. They were more physical. They were hungrier than we were,” Popovich said.

“If we score 115 points, I expect to win. Our defense was pathetic. It was our worst defense of the year. They went after the game and they got it. Nothing else tricky about it.”

NBA teams have started at least 30-4 nine times, but the Spurs gave up hope of that with a little more than 3 minutes left, when Popovich yanked his Big Three after one last Knicks flurry made it a double-digit lead again.

dude1394 · 01-15-2011, 01:38 AM

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Again, Hill wasn't doing ANY of those things particularly well his rookie year, yet he still got minutes. And DoJo is a good defender.

Dojo is a young, pretty stupid defender is what he is..

CadBane · 01-15-2011, 01:38 AM

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Yea.yea.yea...that's why pop let him go, because he couldn't play the 4 with timmah..The dudes a scrub...face it...all of the teams 10th-12th guys are scrubs...They are practice bodies that you hope will grow into something.

Everyone was yakking for ajinca to get in there, he does and sucks...now it's dojo, next ian...and of course ian should be playing the 4 because it hasn't been done yet and everyone is yakking about trying any and everything that hasn't been tried yet because they don't know what they are talking about.

Bullshit. Barely anyone was begging for Ajinca to get more minutes. You haven't got a clue what a "scrub" is. Just because you say it, doesn't make it true.

dude1394 · 01-15-2011, 01:41 AM

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And is DoJo playing 77 games at 16 minutes a game!? Obviously when you only get spot minutes every 6th game, your stats will suck. It's not complicated. The point is Pop let Hill CONSISTENTLY PLAY through his struggles.

NO hardhead...he CANNOT SHOOT!!! Read this again... he CANNOT SHOOT!!! He's NEVER been able to shoot...I don't care how many minutes he gets...he CANNOT SHOOT!!..

He may be able to one day...

If he COULD SHOOT..he'd be getting minutes but since he cannot, he is not. He doesn't finish worth a crap either to be honest. He was somewhat decent tonight against splitter...but I expect everyone is.

CadBane · 01-15-2011, 01:41 AM

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Dojo is a young, pretty stupid defender is what he is..

Right. Ian is a scrub. Dojo shouldn't play at all. George Hill and DeJuan Blair are scrubs. Jefferson is a scrub. Somehow scrubs whoop our ass. RC is infallible. RC has never mismanaged Roddy. Whatever you want to believe. I'm not wasting anymore time on someone chained to their delusions like Atlas and his globe.

dude1394 · 01-15-2011, 01:42 AM

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You sure about that, Chief?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2011010418

"Perhaps looking toward a big one in Boston, Gregg Popovich pulled Tim Duncan(notes), Manu Ginobili(notes) and Tony Parker(notes) with more than three minutes on the clock and a manageable margin on the scoreboard."

“They were more aggressive. They were more physical. They were hungrier than we were,” Popovich said.

“If we score 115 points, I expect to win. Our defense was pathetic. It was our worst defense of the year. They went after the game and they got it. Nothing else tricky about it.”

NBA teams have started at least 30-4 nine times, but the Spurs gave up hope of that with a little more than 3 minutes left, when Popovich yanked his Big Three after one last Knicks flurry made it a double-digit lead again.

Get back to me when this bunch of mavs score 115 points. Comparing something pops does to motivate this team with what RC is having to deal with is asinine... Chief.

CadBane · 01-15-2011, 01:43 AM

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NO hardhead...he CANNOT SHOOT!!! Read this again... he CANNOT SHOOT!!! He's NEVER been able to shoot...I don't care how many minutes he gets...he CANNOT SHOOT!!..

He may be able to one day...

If he COULD SHOOT..he'd be getting minutes but since he cannot, he is not. He doesn't finish worth a crap either to be honest. He was somewhat decent tonight against splitter...but I expect everyone is.

WHERE did I say he could shoot?????????

Show me, go ahead.

I said he SHOULD be getting consistent minutes (at least 5-10 a game). I said his fg% is lower than it should be because of the sporadic lack of PT.

George Hill couldn't shoot his rookie year either. It was a knock on his game. But Pop let him play through it and improve.

Don't make up things.

dude1394 · 01-15-2011, 01:43 AM

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Bullshit. Barely anyone was begging for Ajinca to get more minutes. You haven't got a clue what a "scrub" is. Just because you say it, doesn't make it true.

Sorry chief...plenty of folks have been clamboring for the bottom of the bench to be playing. Play big, don't play the 3guard lineup, etc.,etc.

CadBane · 01-15-2011, 01:45 AM

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Get back to me when this bunch of mavs score 115 points. Comparing something pops does to motivate this team with what RC is having to deal with is asinine... Chief.

Hahahaha. Wow. Just wow.